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View Poll Results: Who will be the biggest surprise of the 2013 World Driver's Championship?
Sebastian Vettel 5 4.72%
Mark Webber 2 1.89%
Fernando Alonso 9 8.49%
Felipe Massa 7 6.60%
Kimi Raikkonen 32 30.19%
Romain Grosjean 5 4.72%
Lewis Hamilton 13 12.26%
Nico Rosberg 1 0.94%
Jenson Button 5 4.72%
Sergio Perez 9 8.49%
Nico Hulkenberg 2 1.89%
Esteban Gutierrez 0 0%
Pastor Maldonado 2 1.89%
Valtteri Bottas 0 0%
Jean-Eric Vergne 1 0.94%
Daniel Ricciardo 1 0.94%
Charles Pic 0 0%
Vitaly Petrov 2 1.89%
Timo Glock 2 1.89%
Paul di Resta 1 0.94%
Someone else 2 1.89%
Bernie Ecclestone 5 4.72%
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:13 PM   #1
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Default Formula 1 2013 - Will RBR get the four-peat?

...and is four-peat even a word? Get ready to watch the last season with the 2.4L V8s before the turbo V6s are introduced!

With fairly stable regulations in place, expect the field to tighten up and the effect of Coanda exhausts to be improved and heavily researched prior to testing. Mclaren maybe be experimenting with a slightly higher cockpit just ahead of the driver, as they tested in Monaco. Marussia should gain KERS over the winter as well. DRS will be restricted from secondary ducting effects, though teams may experiment with fluid switch-activated rear wing stalling devices. Lotus, Mercedes, and RBR were all seen trying variations on this concept in practices. Finally, changes to the tires (particularly the rear, as debuted in Brazil) will force the teams to adapt to a tire that rolls a bit more, with the intention of giving more mid-corner traction.

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Here's the drivers lineups as they stand:

Infinity Red Bull Racing:
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro:
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa

Lotus Renault:
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean

Mclaren Mercedes:
Jenson Button
Sergio Perez

Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton
Nico Rosberg

Sauber Ferrari:
Nico Hulkenberg
Esteban Gutierrez

Sahara Force India:
Paul di Resta*
???? (announcement coming after car launch)

Williams Renault:
Pastor Maldonado
Valtteri Bottas

Scuderia Torro Rosso:
Jean-Eric Vergne
Daniel Ricciardo

Caterham Renault:
Charles Pic
Giedo van der Garde

Marussia Virgin Racing:
Max Chilton
Luiz Razia

Drivers in the pool whose names have been mentioned: Kamui Kobayashi, Bruno Senna, Adrian Sutil, Heikki Kovaleinen, Pedro de La Rosa, Narain Karthikeyan.

* Not confirmed
On March 17th, 2013 we go racing again in Australia!

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #2
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no poal?

Would be easier for RBR without Webber

btw

Sauber Esteban Gutierrez confirmed

and Grosjean not confirmed

Marussia Timo Glock confirmed
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #3
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Don't forget about the ban of DRS during practice and more importantly, qualifying except in the race DRS zone.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:35 AM   #4
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Would be easier for RBR without Webber
What would be?
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:31 AM   #5
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for RedBull to win the championship. Webber is no team player, and heīs a mediocre driver.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #6
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Bartender! Another pint of Ferrari kool-aid for my friend here!
i'm not a ferrari fan. in fact i don't care for alonso in the slighest and think massa's the biggest douche out.

seriously think about it. it was that close with cars that were that far apart. if ferrari improve their car, they should win.

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for RedBull to win the championship. Webber is no team player, and heīs a mediocre driver.
couldn't be more full of BS if you tried. webber's had plenty of wins, outqualified seb plenty of times, ran the fastest lap of the race plenty of times, etc etc. he's just a combination of extremely unlucky and a very poor starter. it's not often you see him passed on anything other than the first lap really.

you don't win at monaco or outqualify vettel by being mediocre.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:29 PM   #7
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seriously think about it. it was that close with cars that were that far apart. if ferrari improve their car, they should win.
My point was that this year's Ferrari was not the lame dog everyone wanted to believe it was. They just milked that perception all year to add to the Ferrari mystique and make Alonso look like a hero. It obviously worked.

Was it as well-sorted as the Red Bull? Nope, but it wasn't the rolling red turd people wanted it to be, either.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:32 PM   #8
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couldn't be more full of BS if you tried. webber's had plenty of wins, outqualified seb plenty of times, ran the fastest lap of the race plenty of times, etc etc. he's just a combination of extremely unlucky and a very poor starter. it's not often you see him passed on anything other than the first lap really.

you don't win at monaco or outqualify vettel by being mediocre.
But I certainly agree with you there.
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Webber is no team player, and heīs a mediocre driver.
If by refusing to be Vettel's bitch, then yeah, I guess he's not a team player.

If by simply not being golden boy Vettel, then yeah, I guess he's mediocre.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #10
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I thought Timo was confirmed for Marussia. And Esteban Gutierrez for Sauber.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #11
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RBR and Vettel will repeat in 2013.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #12
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Grosjean NOT confirmed at Lotus. They have stated that he will be back, but nothing is signed yet and the team are reviewing his performance before signing him officially.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #13
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^^this will make the McLaren the best car in 2013, but Button isnīt the best driver.

Iīm still hoping that RBR will dismiss Webber
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i'd like mclaren to do well. idk about perez though. he seemed like a good driver, and then he signed with mclaren and his driving went downhill pretty quickly.

and i'd like merc to do well to show you guys that the car is not all that bad. and if it is, then lewis got exactly what he wanted. more money and a car that is behind that he can help bring to the front.

i bet lewis' mclaren and schumi's merc swap places on the grid next year.
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Get Grosjean to finish some races and they'll be battling for 3rd (or even 2nd) in the constuctor's, especially with a zealous newbie of Perez at McLaren.

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Not going to happen. Could be his last year, though.

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and i'd like merc to do well to show you guys that the car is not all that bad. and if it is, then lewis got exactly what he wanted. more money and a car that is behind that he can help bring to the front.
Yeah, that car is all that bad. They seem to get 1 car into Q3 at best. Last time both made it was Korea. Neither made it in Japan. 12th is about where they've been qualifying the past handful of races on average. It's a different season and a different driver, but that car's not even thereabouts now.

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i bet lewis' mclaren and schumi's merc swap places on the grid next year.
Maybe I'm not thinking 4th dimensionally, but are you saying Lewis will be battling for pole in 2013?
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no way, Teams that are clearly better than Mercedes: McLaren, RedBull, Ferrari, Lotus, Sauber

Force India, Williams and Toro Rosso are the teams that Hamilton will fight against next year

And no victory for Hamilton in 2013
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Unless Merc can get a handle on their tire degradation/overheating problems, Hamilton will struggle. He'll still do better than Rosberg, but the Merc just isn't the car that Mclaren had at the end of this season. Still, how many times have we seen a car that sucks one season and is fast the next?

Another addition will be the nose "modesty panels" that will not alter the crash structure, but will hide the step that many people complained was ugly. Hopefully there's a nice aero benefit as well.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #18
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I'm still amazed at how bad Mercedes has been for the 3 consecutive years. I really thought Brawn had the secret sauce, but 2009 was just a lucky break since he was on the technical committee that wrote the 2009 regulations and knew there was a weakness in the wording of the regulations that allowed the double diffuser exploit, even though it only narrowly was declared legal midway through the season.
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I heard Honda actually had three different car designs being worked on simultaneously. They threw the kitchen sink (and a ton of $$) at the problem. Throw a merc engine in the back, and suddenly you had a design that magically worked, and arguably the best engine out there at the time. I recall Renault asked twice for engine parity upgrades and Ferrari at least once to get on a level field with Merc. Sometimes ya just get lucky.

I agree, though...how the hell have Merc not been able to keep it together? I thought they stole a march on everyone with the double DRS, and their early win in China really had me thinking they might hang with the big boys.

Maybe this year?
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I heard Honda actually had three different car designs being worked on simultaneously. They threw the kitchen sink (and a ton of $$) at the problem. Throw a merc engine in the back, and suddenly you had a design that magically worked, and arguably the best engine out there at the time. I recall Renault asked twice for engine parity upgrades and Ferrari at least once to get on a level field with Merc. Sometimes ya just get lucky.

I agree, though...how the hell have Merc not been able to keep it together? I thought they stole a march on everyone with the double DRS, and their early win in China really had me thinking they might hang with the big boys.

Maybe this year?
Honda did have three wind tunnels to confirm the design of what became the BGP001. However, if you take away the double diffuser and it became a car with the pace of the Mercedes that spawned from it. The double diffuser wasn't even orginally part of the cars design, it was something that was supposed to go onto the Super Aguri that never came to be and was integrated into the car. It really was a flash in the pan, not a technical breakthrough like the RB5.
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My bets are on Kimi/Lotus.
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That's not a bad bet! Only guy to finish all of the races. If their car had gotten a handle on the Coanda exhausts earlier, they might have had a real shot.

Grosjean's fast, too. He just needs to be a little less aggressive/smarter with his moves in traffic.
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That's not a bad bet! Only guy to finish all of the races. If their car had gotten a handle on the Coanda exhausts earlier, they might have had a real shot.

Grosjean's fast, too. He just needs to be a little less aggressive/smarter with his moves in traffic.
Yeah if they keep improving with qualy they are a real threat. It's as if Grosjean is blind in traffic, too inconsistent as well.
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I think 2013 will be a driver's year as this is the least disruptive rule transitions between F1 years for a while... unless someone invents ground effect/active suspension/6-wheels/traction control/anti-lock brakes/dumbo ears/V-TEC/seamless gearshifts/hidden fuel tank/j-damper/wheel ovens/custom tire gas mixtures/exhaust-blown diffuser/f-duct/wheel shroud/flexy wing/double diffuser/double DRS/bimetallic brake duct/rubber nose/Coanda Exhaust.
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it's the mediocre drivers, IMO. i guess we'll see.

but yes, i think HAM will be closer to the front maybe where mclaren was mid 2012. 3rd-7th ish, and PER will be 6th - 10th ish. only time will tell.
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