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Old 11-28-2012, 11:16 PM   #1
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Default 2013 wrx oil change advice.

I'm contemplating a dealer oil change?

Or shell rotella t6 oil change with oem blue filter with crush washer done by myself.

Scared if a ringland goes for some reason they would say "you used the wrong oil" but I know how much better the t6 is for viscosity, and break down. I have 3100 miles on my 13 wrx.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:20 PM   #2
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Isn't your first oil change free? See if your dealer is running that offer. A lot of them do that .
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:25 PM   #3
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Lol apperently not I was there today and asked the cost and 72$ for a synthetic penzoil oil change made me say k thx bye, and bought 3 oem filters just nervous if I do my oil changes myself like I did on my 08 the ringlands would go? I'm OCD with my car haha but rotella t6 is the better cheaper oil. Plus like everyone says the problem affects hardly anyone just we read about the failures because they are what's posted not "yay 80k on my 2011 wrx pistons are going strong" ha
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:28 PM   #4
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I'm leaning for the rotella though, seems safer, except no safety net to fall back on if motor failed, but I am going stage 1 soon.. It's hopeless, maybe I just shouldn't drive a car if I'm gonna worry so much, but can't resist to make my car my own lol.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:44 PM   #5
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I'm leaning for the rotella though, seems safer, except no safety net to fall back on if motor failed, but I am going stage 1 soon.. It's hopeless, maybe I should just drive the car and not worry so much, but can't resist to make my car my own lol.
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Relax. I remember being paranoid like you when I first got the car. If you drive it in a reasonable manner and keep up with maintenance it will be fine.

If you're going to do your own oil changes use the RT6. Stage 2 and almost 50,000 miles later and my UOAs look like this:


Which is to say, really good.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:08 AM   #6
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^awesome lab results kingme, thanks for sharing. My old mustang I would change the oil every 5k miles. That was only using regular too.

My first few changes in the Subie have been at 3k miles. I have now bumped it up to every 5k especially since this is my daily and it racks up miles. Interesting they say you could run it up to 7k. I know the manual says you can, just in the back of my mind it seems like it is pushing it.

The old 3k oil change is back in the big block muscle car dinosaur days. Same myth as cars start to fall apart at 100k miles. New vehicles, with better manufacturing procedures and tighter tolerances last much longer. These myths are just perpetuated so Valvoline and JiffyLubes stay in business.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:20 AM   #7
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IMO, I would never, ever let a dealer do any sort of work on your car (yes, even an oil change) unless you're next to one of the rare ones that don't catastrophically mess up people's cars.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:08 PM   #8
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IMO, I would never, ever let a dealer do any sort of work on your car (yes, even an oil change) unless you're next to one of the rare ones that don't catastrophically mess up people's cars.
So, I take it that if you experience a covered issue during your warranty period, you're going to just pay out of pocket and fix it yourself?
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:38 PM   #9
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IMO, I would never, ever let a dealer do any sort of work on your car (yes, even an oil change) unless you're next to one of the rare ones that don't catastrophically mess up people's cars.
That's my concern as well. The LAST thing I'd like to see is overfilled oil of a questionable origin, or busted clips/rounded out drain plugs/messy undercarriage/overtightened drain plugs/oil filters (What oil are they REALLY using?)
Not to mention the 'quick oil changes' many repair shops like to do, how much do they actually get out? Sorry but I do my absolute best to change ALL the oil in the car, not leave a quart of old to dilute with the new. I usually let my oil drain for 25+ minutes on any car I've ever had before refilling. Extreme? No. Necessary? Probably not. (Extreme is the guys who prime the engine after changing the oil to assure adequate oil pressure)

OCI's are ONLY conjecture without any empirical data backing them up. Use Blackstone to analyze the sample of oil you're running at a CONSERVATIVE interval first to set an oil type/interval. Only way to really be 100% about oil changes. Otherwise it's just guesswork. Can be wasteful if you're running intervals unnecessarily short, could hypothetically be harmful (long term) if you're running long intervals on less than sufficient oil.
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:48 AM   #10
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IMO, I would never, ever let a dealer do any sort of work on your car (yes, even an oil change) unless you're next to one of the rare ones that don't catastrophically mess up people's cars.
I can speak to this. All my maintenance is covered under my extended warranty and I found out how painfully incompetent my dealer was at service. At 15k miles they still said I didn't need a tire rotation (paid for that separate - elsewhere).
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Old 06-14-2014, 06:16 PM   #11
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I can speak to this. All my maintenance is covered under my extended warranty and I found out how painfully incompetent my dealer was at service. At 15k miles they still said I didn't need a tire rotation (paid for that separate - elsewhere).
I've never heard anything good about dealerships. I would only go to one for warranty repairs or recalls, and even then reluctantly. That's pretty silly about the tire rotation thing. Even big chains like Sears recommend rotation every 6,000 miles.

If you aren't mechanically inclined, find a trusted mechanic in your town. The good ones will generally level with you about what's actually necessary and what's generally a good idea.

As far as oil goes, I run Valvoline Max-Life 5w-30 in everything I own with a Purolator Gold filter. Of course a lot depends on your climate and usage when it comes to oil.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:10 PM   #12
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Dealers can be very good. The problem with this statement is dealers are not very willing to go out of their way to help you if you only ever want to go there for free work. You need to build a relationship with them, it works both ways. And trust me, some of the most knowledgeable guys work at dealers, you just need to find who they are.


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I've never heard anything good about dealerships. I would only go to one for warranty repairs or recalls, and even then reluctantly. That's pretty silly about the tire rotation thing. Even big chains like Sears recommend rotation every 6,000 miles.

If you aren't mechanically inclined, find a trusted mechanic in your town. The good ones will generally level with you about what's actually necessary and what's generally a good idea.

As far as oil goes, I run Valvoline Max-Life 5w-30 in everything I own with a Purolator Gold filter. Of course a lot depends on your climate and usage when it comes to oil.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:33 AM   #13
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No reason why you shouldn't do the oil changes yourself (if you don't know what you're doing, get a local Subaru buddy to show you the first time). Just keep everything documented, and have receipts for the oil and genuine filters in case you need warranty work and have to demonstrate that you followed a correct oil maintenance schedule.

And if you're really OCD about it, send a sample off to Blackstone every oil change, that's the most scientific way of knowing if your engine is "doing fine" or not.

Edit: Also, if you're going to be doing your oil changes, you might want to invest in a Fumoto valve (search on Google or NASIOC for more details).
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:00 AM   #14
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Use a quality 5w30 to stay in warranty and do the changes yourself. If something does go awry it's just one less thing they can point at. There are alternatives to the sacred T6.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:00 AM   #15
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Use a quality 5w30 to stay in warranty and do the changes yourself. If something does go awry it's just one less thing they can point at. There are alternatives to the sacred T6.
FYI, 5W-40 is listed as an acceptable alternative so T6 is perfectly fine.

T6 is sacred because it is consistently showing very good UOA results. It holds viscosity well and holds up for a long period of time. I have 25K on my STI now and I am seeing minimal consumption of oil in the car. I typically lose 1/4 to 1/2 of a quart every 7500 which is excellent. My advice, if you know something that works well, why go with something else? Especially given the price of T6. I've used German Castrol and even Amsoil in the past. I paid premium for Amsoil but did not really see the benefits over T6. It's an easy decision at that point.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:15 PM   #16
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FYI, 5W-40 is listed as an acceptable alternative so T6 is perfectly fine.
Absolutely not true for the 2012+ WRXs. It specifically notes in the manual that 5W-30 synthetic is the only acceptable oil. No other grades are listed like previous years. It states that you can use non-synthetic for topping off, but that's it.

If you've got a motor issue in a 2012+ WRX and you show them reciepts for 5W-40 which is not spec (especially Rotella T6 which is made for diesels), you risk warranty work denial.

If you're dead set on using 5W-40 in your 2012 WRX+, there are ways of doing it without SOA really knowing. I'll leave that up to you to figure out.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:33 PM   #17
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FYI, 5W-40 is listed as an acceptable alternative so T6 is perfectly fine.

T6 is sacred because it is consistently showing very good UOA results. It holds viscosity well and holds up for a long period of time. I have 25K on my STI now and I am seeing minimal consumption of oil in the car. I typically lose 1/4 to 1/2 of a quart every 7500 which is excellent. My advice, if you know something that works well, why go with something else? Especially given the price of T6. I've used German Castrol and even Amsoil in the past. I paid premium for Amsoil but did not really see the benefits over T6. It's an easy decision at that point.
Now an FYI for you,

The 2013 manual might be different than the 2011. It states you can use other oil for replenishment as needed. It doesn't list it as an alternative like in your manual. (I realise this was posted above by another member, just wanted to defend my remark and point out your error as well).

To be clear here, I'm not about to say I think T6 is bad, or that the engine in the 2011 is different than the 2013. I'm simply stating that if the OP wants to minimize chances of denial of warranty coverage in the event of something going wrong, his compliance with oil viscosity is probably for the best. My question to you is, if you're worried about warranty coverage why not put as much in your favor as possible? (ie following maint. schedule and owners manual requirements). It just gives the dealer or SOA one less thing to use an excuse.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:14 AM   #18
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I used RT6 at 1k and am about to again for the 3k. However did you say you bought the blue filters? Mine came with the black one and my dealer offers the black ones as well as the blue ones...don't know the difference.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:45 AM   #19
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Yes the oem blue filters, I don't drive the car hard just like to accelerate on on ramps, and what not, I drive 84 miles a day round trip all highway. But I guess I gotta stop worrying about the unknown, cross that bridge if I ever get to it.

My wife says "your worried about a brand new cars engine going kaboom?" Haha I say ya cause I've read about ringlands failure on the forums lolol.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:53 AM   #20
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I tried to switch to Rotella but when I took the oil to my dealership to have them do my oil change they went on to tell me that my warranty would be out the door if they put it in. I talked to 2 different people there that told me they have to put in subaru oil. Idk why this is, but I don't see why they would lie to me.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:57 AM   #21
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You should be changing your oil every at least every 3750 miles...using a Subaru oil filter.

I change my own oil every 3000 miles using a Subaru oil filter, and on a daily driver, at that interval you can even use the dreaded 5w30 Mobil 1 with no worries...as long as you keep all your purchase receipts.

You are NOT required to use only Subaru oil, just the recommended viscosity oil.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:54 AM   #22
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You should be changing your oil every at least every 3750 miles...using a Subaru oil filter.

I change my own oil every 3000 miles using a Subaru oil filter, and on a daily driver, at that interval you can even use the dreaded 5w30 Mobil 1 with no worries...as long as you keep all your purchase receipts.

You are NOT required to use only Subaru oil, just the recommended viscosity oil.
The factory recommended interval is 7500 miles. The older models they used to recommend 3750. I am going to change every 5-6k.

I will use the T6 after my warranty period is up, for now I am running motul Eco energy 5w30. I just don't want a hassle if they say something about not using the correct oil weight listed in my manual if I have a serious problem.
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The factory recommended interval is 7500 miles.
Not on the turbo models...not anymore.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #24
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Not on the turbo models...not anymore.
Yes it is, I drive a 2013 WRX and It most definitely states 5w30 fully synthetic for 7500 miles. The logbook is also every 7500. Which has been stated already.

Why spout off things you don't know? I never understood that about forums.

As far as the 5w40, it does state that top offs of non synthetic 5w40 are ok if synthetic can't be found. It does not say you can use the T6 for your whole change.

As for warranty purposes, if you use a 5w30 to the specs in the manual and a filter at the specified interval, you will be fine. Just save receipts.

As far as oil filter, why not use an oem, you can get them 6 at a time with crush washers for $40 on amazon from Fred beans. By my calculations the $6 you are paying is comparable to whatever aftermarket version you buy, and its built for the car.

The black filter did come on my car, however maybe it was painted black with the underbody coating. The new black ones are for the new imprezas. I just went to a dealer to pick one up and he gave me the black one, I told him no blue, he said I told him 13 WRX and just put in impreZa. When he ran my vin it told him to use the blue, to which I said no **** Sherlock.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:57 AM   #25
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To get that 71$ for a oil change is why they lied lol, you can change it yourself, but need proof of receipts and what not, I'm gonna go with rotella screw the dealership and oil changes ha.
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