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Old 12-07-2012, 03:06 PM   #1
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Event: Dyno Tune
Location: NightShift Performance
Ambient Temp: 55ish
Elevation: 200-300
Weather: cloudy
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Car: 2012 GTR Black Edition
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Gear: 4th
Peak HP at RPM: 655
Peak Torque at RPM: ??? Probably in the 660-680 range
Baseline hp/tq for a stock DBA GTR on same dyno: 465
Target Boost: 20
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1st pull e70 made 580 went 10.3-4@135

2nd e85 made 610-615 went 10.1@136 best MPH 138

3rd pull FTW Purple Fuel 655 running out of fuel, going to install a reg tomorrow and bring the AFR in check. I am expecting another 10-15hp once it is all done.

I made 0 I mean 0 timing or boost changes between the e85 and FTW. I made the adjustments for fueling and boom.. 40+ WHP so far

Big thanks to Mitch@CobbSocal and Lance@Surgeline for all the insight and help getting me going on the GTRs with the new DBA software.


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Old 12-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #2
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Baseline hp/tq for a stock STi on same dyno: 465
Definitley a dyno jet

I assume that is supposed to be 265.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:39 PM   #3
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Definitley a dyno jet

I assume that is supposed to be 265.

Haha.. It was a template for a STI.. Was supposed to say baseline for a DBA GTR
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:39 PM   #4
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Definitley a dyno jet

I assume that is supposed to be 265.
It's a GTR.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:29 PM   #5
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great job stk turbos....wow

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Old 12-07-2012, 04:04 PM   #6
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What a monster!
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:35 PM   #7
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556whp Mustang... not bad! I just did an 09 on E85 that was around 560whp and its a freaking rocket!

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #8
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556whp Mustang... not bad! I just did an 09 on E85 that was around 560whp and its a freaking rocket!

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If you made 560 on pump e85 with stock turbos, and that translates to 660+whp on this dynojet. Then I am doing something terribly wrong, especially since I had to run race e85 and had a maxed out fuel system once I made over 620whp..

What I do know for a FACT is what my car traps at the first 2 power levels. Based on your claim I would expect your GTR to have already trapped in the 139-140 range with stock turbos.

I know the Ivey Tune stock turbo car made 630 on the dynojet and he trapped 139, or "540 on your dyno" so your 560whp car will trump all!!

Congrats and I cant wait to see the mph/et record taken down by that 560whp car.

Kind of hard to come in and make those kind of claims don't you think? Especially since you have never been on this dyno and then don't even have the MPH to back up your "claim"

You may get away with hoping in everyone's threads and talking about how the dyno is super high and it will only make this or that on your dyno... but you know me better.. You better bring some facts to the table.. Not just some theories


I didn't post this dyno to show HP numbers anyway, I used it to to show the potential this fuel has. Which is why I listed an ET/MPH with each HP figure claim. If I was braging about dyno numbers it would have been in the thread title.

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:45 PM   #9
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Nice Junior ! A buddy of mine is a local distributor for this stuff and wants me to try it. Your results basically back up what hes telling me. Gotta get my fuel system up to par, and try it out in the spring.

Is this your personal car ?
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #10
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Nice Junior ! A buddy of mine is a local distributor for this stuff and wants me to try it. Your results basically back up what hes telling me. Gotta get my fuel system up to par, and try it out in the spring.

Is this your personal car ?
Thanks

It is everything Miller says it is, and then some. I was shocked by the gains on what I though was an already maxed out car ( only a handful of GTRs are trapping 138-140mph on oem turbos )
Tuning the fuel is very specific, so if you do end up using it and need a few pointers feel free to PM me.

Yep this is my personal car.. I wouldn't test stuff on a customers lol.. I like to own the platform and develop in it before offering anything, plus it realy lets me push it as far as I like without any angry customers.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:07 PM   #11
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Easy there Jr. What does an 09 baseline on your dyno?

As far as traps, guys out here are not nearly as into drag as they are in your area. I'm trying to arrange a drag day for these guys though so hopefully we can have some traps to back it up soon.

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:42 PM   #12
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Easy there Jr. What does an 09 baseline on your dyno?

As far as traps, guys out here are not nearly as into drag as they are in your area. I'm trying to arrange a drag day for these guys though so hopefully we can have some traps to back it up soon.

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I think you bit off more than you can chew.

I also tire of your "my way or the highway" tuning and theories. (Which I have personal experience with) God must have given you the midas touch.

I think you need to play six more games of mine sweeper, I mean a six hour pump gas stage 2 tune...

We're all dumb, jr's numbers are your averages on a drunk day, you're the man...game, set, and match.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:58 PM   #13
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I also tire of your "my way or the highway" tuning and theories. (Which I have personal experience with) God must have given you the midas touch.

I think you need to play six more games of mine sweeper, I mean a six hour pump gas stage 2 tune...

We're all dumb, jr's numbers are your averages on a drunk day, you're the man...game, set, and match.
Honestly, as an outsider, this is how a lot of his posts come off to me. I have no experience with either of these tuners, but that's just the vibe I get from the posts.

It also seems like he spends a LOT of time explaining how low his dyno reads, and then posts numbers (from the supposedly "special" cars) that are basically in line with typical numbers from other tuners.

I'm not trying to create beef with anyone. I'm just saying how it looks from an outside point of view.

EDIT: And I do realize that it's possible other people are inflating dyno numbers and how frustrating this could be. I haven't scoured past history to try and figure out why things are the way they are today. I just see someone who looks to be very set in his frame of mind and goes out of his way to make this known.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:13 PM   #14
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Honestly, as an outsider, this is how a lot of his posts come off to me. I have no experience with either of these tuners, but that's just the vibe I get from the posts.

It also seems like he spends a LOT of time explaining how low his dyno reads, and then posts numbers (from the supposedly "special" cars) that are basically in line with typical numbers from other tuners.

I'm not trying to create beef with anyone. I'm just saying how it looks from an outside point of view.

EDIT: And I do realize that it's possible other people are inflating dyno numbers and how frustrating this could be. I haven't scoured past history to try and figure out why things are the way they are today. I just see someone who looks to be very set in his frame of mind and goes out of his way to make this known.

I appreciate this level headed feedback. I do agree that sometimes I get frustrated with the inflated numbers flying around these days and it gets the best of me on occasion. I think I'm one of the few shops that has remained stubborn in our dyno calibration, but maybe that's causing more harm than good at this point. I'll have to seriously ponder this and maybe finally give in and get away from my low reading calibration. Its certainly better for marketing, making customers happy, and at this point it would be more in line with the majority.

Again, thank you for your unbiased opinion and feedback.

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Old 12-08-2012, 01:52 PM   #15
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I appreciate this level headed feedback. I do agree that sometimes I get frustrated with the inflated numbers flying around these days and it gets the best of me on occasion. I think I'm one of the few shops that has remained stubborn in our dyno calibration, but maybe that's causing more harm than good at this point. I'll have to seriously ponder this and maybe finally give in and get away from my low reading calibration. Its certainly better for marketing, making customers happy, and at this point it would be more in line with the majority.

Again, thank you for your unbiased opinion and feedback.

-- Ed
Its not about how low your dyno reads. Too many people on here say a dynojet reads to high, well in my experience I dynoed my stock 5.7 Tundra which was rated at 381hp and it made 313whp on dynojet on SAE correction. Which is 18% power loss on truck that was 4x4. Seems pretty realistic to me. From what I can tell all car manufactures rate their cars on dynojet SAE corrections. Another example, stock sti generally in 235-245hp on dynojet, that is approx 18% power loss through AWD setup which I find to be realistic. So rating car on low reading mustang makes it better how?????

I like fact that dynojet can't be manipulated unless you can change the elevation or weather, other than that no correction factor. I see mustangs read all over the place, some read very very low, and most are calibrated to read more like dynojet, but operators tell you its low reading cause it is mustang.

Anyways back to subject, I like the results from the fuel. It appears to have similar effects as nitromethane, but doesnt make as much power as nitro would. Very interesting, just wish it was $30+ a gallon. Does it have cooling effects similar to E85?
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:54 PM   #16
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^^^ What are you talking about? You might have me confused with someone else?

Jr. knows what he's doing and can obviously tune a car for some serious trap speeds. I was just comparing against the baselines we see here and our results. I don't think I ever mentioned anything about tuning styles or theories.

Six hour pump gas stage 2 tune? Maybe one of my first 10 tunes ever? Yep I definitely took my time when developing my base maps back in 2003-2004. Do you have a problem with that for some reason?

You need to calm down. Just cars here and a discussion. Hell, we're discussing GT-R's on a subie forum... who cares? I guess I struck a nerve

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^^^ WTH are you talking about? You might have me confused with someone else?

There are many ways to tune and I have nothing against other's tunes. Jr. knows what he's doing and can obviously tune a car for some serious trap speeds. I was just comparing against the baselines we see here and our results. I don't think I ever mentioned anything about tuning styles or theories.

Six hour pump gas stage tune? Maybe one of my first 10 tunes ever? Yep I definitely took my time when developing my base maps back in 2003-2004. You have a problem with that for some reason?

You guys need to calm down. Just cars here and a discussion. Hell, we're discussing GT-R's on a subie forum... who cares? I guess I struck a nerve

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No, I speak fact. You're trying to make other tuners look bad or that u solely know stuff to make big power, par your usual m.o.

Please, come correct on the keyboard.
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I don't see what everyone is so bent out of shape over here...

I'm also curious about this fuel. It seems that they don't have an actual website, just a facebook page. That seems odd for a company like this. Is it just some sort of oxygenated fuel or something of that nature?
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I don't see what everyone is so bent out of shape over here...
You just joined...sooo, yah.
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I guess if over a year is just joined...
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:21 PM   #21
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No, I speak fact. You're trying to make other tuners look bad or that u solely know stuff to make big power, par your usual m.o.

Please, come correct on the keyboard.
I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. If I came off that way, my apologies.

FWIW, a stock 09-10 GT-R does 380whp on our dyno. Its all about the baselines and gains.

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:58 PM   #22
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On a technical note Jr, I've never messed with FTW fuel. Got any details on it? Any theory as to why it would make so much more power with no additional boost or timing?

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556whp Mustang... not bad! I just did an 09 on E85 that was around 560whp and its a freaking rocket!

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If you made 560 on pump e85 with stock turbos, and that translates to 660+whp on this dynojet. Then I am doing something terribly wrong, especially since I had to run race e85 and had a maxed out fuel system once I made over 620whp..

What I do know for a FACT is what my car traps at the first 2 power levels. Based on your claim I would expect your GTR to have already trapped in the 139-140 range with stock turbos.

I know the Ivey Tune stock turbo car made 630 on the dynojet and he trapped 139, or "540 on your dyno" so your 560whp car will trump all!!

Congrats and I cant wait to see the mph/et record taken down by that 560whp car.

Kind of hard to come in and make those kind of claims don't you think? Especially since you have never been on this dyno and then don't even have the MPH to back up your "claim"

You may get away with hoping in everyone's threads and talking about how the dyno is super high and it will only make this or that on your dyno... but you know me better.. You better bring some facts to the table.. Not just some theories


I didn't post this dyno to show HP numbers anyway, I used it to to show the potential this fuel has. Which is why I listed an ET/MPH with each HP figure claim. If I was braging about dyno numbers it would have been in the thread title.

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This is funny 2 great tuners arguing.
Ed prob came off wrong.
Both of you can tune and there is no denying it.
Ed's going off his past experience with that certain dyno. Which could be off a little.
Going from a dyno like ed's to a dynojet its prob around 10-12 percent now.

Either way Jr the car looks f***ing fast. still trying to get myself into one
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:18 AM   #24
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On a technical note Jr, I've never messed with FTW fuel. Got any details on it? Any theory as to why it would make so much more power with no additional boost or timing?

Thanks
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Ed,

I've talked to a few people currently using this fuel. Its basically as effective as Brazilian sugar based e100. The data Junior is providing is just about spot on for what the car should make. I don't post publicly much about the GT-R's I have done, but after tuning a couple dozen on e85 the typical dyno jet number is around 630whp on a, and around 550 on a true mustang. the e100 cars I tune make around 650, as Junior has done here.

E100 and the fuel Jr is using here is basically an "unknockable" fuel. If you have the balls to push the car until it stops making power, you have a 139-140mph stock turbo car.

If Jr gets a good tire on the car he'll probably go 9.90's. I would give it another 1-1.5 psi and try for 1.40's to the 60ft. Tires are key though, I'm currently running 22.5 psi in mine and just ice skate on the street. Ill be out opening day if I don't grenade the trans or bend a rod first Probably only run it once though, road racing is where its at. Nothing like cornering and braking at 160mph +

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