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Old 01-05-2013, 11:44 PM   #1
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Default 2015 WRX *concept* Official unveiling + Magazine racing pretend cars!

It looks kinda cool:



Update: March 28, 2013- 2015 WRX Concept Revealed at NYIAS, thanks to the mods for maintaining the content of this thread.



Update: April 16, 2013- A WRX or STI pre production model was spotted testing in Germany:


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Old 01-06-2013, 01:26 AM   #2
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I think this is just the impreza mule used to test the new 2L DIT in intense heat... This is NOT the 2014 WRX. I believe we saw pictures of this particular mule some time ago already.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:30 AM   #3
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Better not be looks like ****
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Do you know what a mule is, ass?
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:55 PM   #5
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A mule and an ass are two different animals...

(wasn't going to search 23 pages to see if this was already said :P )
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I hope not
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Just a mule.
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:45 AM   #8
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Just a mule.
How many here have driven mules for an OEM? Dance like a bana.
Me ->

Truthfully, no one here can say if it's a mule or not. There are different
kinds of mules; they're not all equal. There's the mule variant like was seen
during the BRZ development where the mule was based on a similiar and
heavily modified platform, ala Frankenstein. Then there are mules in which the mule is based on the production version of the platform it will be built on with far, far less modifications because the new car is JUST that similiar to the production car. I beleive this is what we are seeing with these mules.

Keep in mind that Subaru has said the WRX and WRX STI will be be built on a unique platoform to differentiate the two vehicles. Translation from Japanese to english being what it is, and then hand me down stories passed from person to person, are NOT valid statements to take to the bank. It could very well mean the the STI will ride on a unique platform whereas the WRX will be Impreza based.

Mules NEED to match their production characteristics as much as humanly possible; that's why the BRZ was such a hodge-podge of parts, and its also why the WRX is just an Impreza with a scoop.

I think when its all said and done, the WRX will be based off an Impreza whereas the STI will be riding on a new chassis.

I like (so far) what I've seen in the new WRX.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:22 AM   #9
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How many here have driven mules for an OEM? Dance like a bana.
Me ->

Truthfully, no one here can say if it's a mule or not. There are different
kinds of mules; they're not all equal. There's the mule variant like was seen
during the BRZ development where the mule was based on a similiar and
heavily modified platform, ala Frankenstein. Then there are mules in which the mule is based on the production version of the platform it will be built on with far, far less modifications because the new car is JUST that similiar to the production car. I beleive this is what we are seeing with these mules.

Keep in mind that Subaru has said the WRX and WRX STI will be be built on a unique platoform to differentiate the two vehicles. Translation from Japanese to english being what it is, and then hand me down stories passed from person to person, are NOT valid statements to take to the bank. It could very well mean the the STI will ride on a unique platform whereas the WRX will be Impreza based.

Mules NEED to match their production characteristics as much as humanly possible; that's why the BRZ was such a hodge-podge of parts, and its also why the WRX is just an Impreza with a scoop.

I think when its all said and done, the WRX will be based off an Impreza whereas the STI will be riding on a new chassis.

I like (so far) what I've seen in the new WRX.

When the pictures came out, this was already looked at in depth. It was obvious from the photos that this particular car was a "hack job" and was therefore likely just a powertrain mule. Looking at the hood closely, you can actually see the hood scope was cut from another hood, and bondo'd / taped in place. Duct tape was actually visible on the interior in the pics back several months ago. The interior pics also show'd a lot of hacking to fit the gear stick.

A true body (or later stage) mule would be more "designed". There'd be a hood that fits that car with a hood scoop, not one that was duct taped on. Thing's wouldn't be perfect but it'd be much closer to body shape. You also wouldn't be able to see it because Subaru would be covering the body with black plastic to hide all of the new design features. Look at the late stage BRZ mule for reference.
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Except subaru has stated already that the WRX AND STI will be on a completely separate platform from the impreza and in no way shape or form have anything in common with the impreza anymore other than boxer engine and all wheel drive.

why do people ignore what Subaru says and come up with stupid crap to say of their own is beyond me.
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Except subaru has stated already that the WRX AND STI will be on a completely separate platform from the impreza and in no way shape or form have anything in common with the impreza anymore other than boxer engine and all wheel drive.

why do people ignore what Subaru says and come up with stupid crap to say of their own is beyond me.
Led is right and things get lost in translation, especially when dealing with two completely different languages. A shoddy translation is told to someome, then they further muck things up when passing it, on so and so forth.

Yes, it's a mule for a WRX, but its obvious that because its a mule based upon a VERY lightly modded Impreza (unlike the BRZ mule) this is highly indicative that the new WRX will be based on the Impreza; just different body panels, and, I'm crossing my fingers, a new and better interior than the Impreza.

I think Led is right and it will be the STI that rides on a "new" platform. Let's face it, the WRX is cheap car until you start adding extras to it. The STI is expensive (relatively) even with nothing on it.

I think the new WRX will be a sharp looking car when they're baking it and pull it out of the oven. The new Impreza is a good looking car, so if its based on that, then there won't be the universal hatred of it that the 08s had.

Personally, I'd love to see 3 door STI, while the WRX remains 4 and 5 doors.

Wishing aside, heated debates aside, I'd love for Subaru to toss us a bone and let us know when the new Rex will be on sale. It's kind of mucking up my plans for replacing my daily driver.
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Except subaru has stated already that the WRX AND STI will be on a completely separate platform from the impreza and in no way shape or form have anything in common with the impreza anymore other than boxer engine and all wheel drive.

why do people ignore what Subaru says and come up with stupid crap to say of their own is beyond me.
Please link to where you're getting your information.

The only thing I have seen printed, or heard stated is that they are splitting the lines. Not that they won't have a common chassis, or any other similarities.

There isn't enough information to draw the conclusions you've come to, it could mean what you're saying, and it could simply mean that the WRX and STI don't have the words Impreza on the car, and aren't found on the website under the Impreza heading.

All that you're doing is spreading your personal conclusions that is at best only going to make you disappointed if it doesn't come to fruition, and at worst, if people take what you say for reality, there will be more people that are disappointed and unhappy with Subaru, all because they believed what you say.

So, do yourself, and us a favor, if you read this somewhere from the mouth of a Subaru representative, please link it, otherwise, don't try to pass your assumptions (or the assumption of random car blogs trying to drum up readership) as fact.
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Please link to where you're getting your information.

The only thing I have seen printed, or heard stated is that they are splitting the lines. Not that they won't have a common chassis, or any other similarities.

There isn't enough information to draw the conclusions you've come to, it could mean what you're saying, and it could simply mean that the WRX and STI don't have the words Impreza on the car, and aren't found on the website under the Impreza heading.

All that you're doing is spreading your personal conclusions that is at best only going to make you disappointed if it doesn't come to fruition, and at worst, if people take what you say for reality, there will be more people that are disappointed and unhappy with Subaru, all because they believed what you say.

So, do yourself, and us a favor, if you read this somewhere from the mouth of a Subaru representative, please link it, otherwise, don't try to pass your assumptions (or the assumption of random car blogs trying to drum up readership) as fact.
By splitting the lines it is implying that the WRX and STI will not resemble in any fashion an Impreza outside of some typical Subaru styling traits. If it shares a chassis it will most likely be heavily styled/modified to not look/perform anything like an Impreza. If they decide to use something like a modified BRZ chassis that would be preferable.

The point being is when the new WRX/STI comes out the first thing that should come to mind is not a roided out Impreza/econobox. Instead it should be a complete breathe of fresh air for the series if in fact they are becoming their own line. Which would be the logical conclusion.

They have many options they can go with and a clean slate to start with. To do anything outside an overall improvement in all areas would be a waste of R&D and make the entire wait seem asinine.

Like I mentioned earlier; "how hard would it be to slap on performance bits and aesthetics on an impreza and call it a WRX like they always have and why would they wait this long to release essentially what is a roided out impreza?" I mean correct me if I am wrong but with every release/facelift of the Impreza, the WRX and STI were released at the alongside it. Why make so a large gap in release dates if in the end its still an Impreza?

People are already disappointed with Subaru. There are plenty of reasons to be. The ball is in their court now to come up with something that shuts everyone up. If they do then I will be one of the first buyers in line for a new STI. Keep the price down around 32-33k for a base model that does not require 1k+ in mods to be track ready and quit playing the if it aint broke don't fix it game. we all know how well that worked with the big 3. Don't make the flagship of a brand follow that mantra.
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Keep the price down around 32-33k for a base model that does not require 1k+ in mods to be track ready and quit playing the if it aint broke don't fix it game. we all know how well that worked with the big 3. Don't make the flagship of a brand follow that mantra.
I am pretty sure the prices won't be coming down.
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By splitting the lines it is implying that the WRX and STI will not resemble in any fashion an Impreza outside of some typical Subaru styling traits. If it shares a chassis it will most likely be heavily styled/modified to not look/perform anything like an Impreza. If they decide to use something like a modified BRZ chassis that would be preferable.

The point being is when the new WRX/STI comes out the first thing that should come to mind is not a roided out Impreza/econobox. Instead it should be a complete breathe of fresh air for the series if in fact they are becoming their own line. Which would be the logical conclusion.

They have many options they can go with and a clean slate to start with. To do anything outside an overall improvement in all areas would be a waste of R&D and make the entire wait seem asinine.

Like I mentioned earlier; "how hard would it be to slap on performance bits and aesthetics on an impreza and call it a WRX like they always have and why would they wait this long to release essentially what is a roided out impreza?" I mean correct me if I am wrong but with every release/facelift of the Impreza, the WRX and STI were released at the alongside it. Why make so a large gap in release dates if in the end its still an Impreza?

People are already disappointed with Subaru. There are plenty of reasons to be. The ball is in their court now to come up with something that shuts everyone up. If they do then I will be one of the first buyers in line for a new STI. Keep the price down around 32-33k for a base model that does not require 1k+ in mods to be track ready and quit playing the if it aint broke don't fix it game. we all know how well that worked with the big 3. Don't make the flagship of a brand follow that mantra.
I don't know any more than any one else, however, Subaru learned in '08 that the people who would buy a wrx/sti aren't happy with a car that looks exactly like the regular impreza and will not just toss the turbo engine into a complete sheetmetal replica of a regular Impreza.

I think that and it probably won't have Impreza written on it.

If that isn't what you want, then you will more than likely be disappointed.

The problem you are having is that you expect the WRX/STI to not look like a roided out Impreza, which until '11 it wasn't even that. until '11 aside from the hood scoop and wing, an Impreza and WRX were exactly the same exterior.

Go ahead, take at look at them. From back when the first WRX released, it wasn't until the 22b released that they put different sheet metal to differentiate, and that was a run of less than 1000 cars. Then in '05 the STi had a subtle difference in that the rear arches had a flare. If you didn't know what to look for, if you saw a '07 wrx with '04 sti wheels and a sti spoiler, you'd mistake it for a sti.

It was around the time that the new impreza released that Subaru made their announcement that the WRX and Impreza would be different, which we could already see from the look.

I've already wasted too much time writing this, but you're going to be very disappointed if you expect the wrx/sti to be some completely unique look apart from the current impreza. If you're expecting flared wheel arches, and a hood scoop and a big honking wing on the current impreza shell, you're probably right in line with what you'll get.

But hey, you can be disappointed, or you can be happy, cause remember the most expensive fastest mustang looks exactly the same on the exterior as the one the sorority girls parents buy them. so there is that, at least the wrx and sti are differentiated from the base impreza by more than just a hood scoop and wing these days.
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Well Subaru is doing a lot less with less. That's great that the dash is a pad now instead of hard plastic but it doesn't change the fact it's still the worst looking interior in the segment after only a year on the market. Look at that picture above. The only indication that the interior didn't come from the 1990's is the LCD in the gauge cluster that every manufacturer has copied from Audi. Horrible, horrible interior design. Hopefully Subaru really spruces it up for STI's because that will be a hard sell if the STI stays or rises from its current price point.

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It was around the time that the new impreza released that Subaru made their announcement that the WRX and Impreza would be different, which we could already see from the look.

I've already wasted too much time writing this, but you're going to be very disappointed if you expect the wrx/sti to be some completely unique look apart from the current impreza. If you're expecting flared wheel arches, and a hood scoop and a big honking wing on the current impreza shell, you're probably right in line with what you'll get.

I disagree

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Hybrid testing?
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I knew there had to be video footage of the spy photos that were posted months ago of this car...While I do think the next WRX will ride on a modified Impreza platform, the bodywork should be quite different.
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They can say one thing and honestly mean it at the time, but market conditions and internal resource allocation of a company can change the plans. For example, according to various press releases, at one time the Tribeca was supposed to be Subaru's first step into seriously moving the brand upscale, then the recession hit, and the Impreza became a sales hit instead.

The original plan of a separate all-new WRX platform could still be in place, with this car being just a mule to test the turbo engine under US conditions, or Subaru could still decide to keep the WRX and the Impreza on the same platform after all and continue development of the BRZ and the XV in order to increase overall corporate sales volume.
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I was thinking the same thing until I saw the dual exhaust. Now. Could the hybrid be something like the B5-TPH? Hmmm....
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That POS-lookin' thing better be a mule. If not, people who are waiting for 2014 are gonna be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY disapointed.
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It's to early to tell, but as of now thank god I bought a 2013. That is god awful looking.
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Are they changing the model for the 2014? Or is it staying the same look? Anyone know? I was looking to buy the 2013 but was told they're changing the model just curious if it's true.
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I think the new WRX will be a sharp looking car when they're baking it and pull it out of the oven. The new Impreza is a good looking car, so if its based on that, then there won't be the universal hatred of it that the 08s had.

Personally, I'd love to see 3 door STI, while the WRX remains 4 and 5 doors.

Wishing aside, heated debates aside, I'd love for Subaru to toss us a bone and let us know when the new Rex will be on sale. It's kind of mucking up my plans for replacing my daily driver.

That sold in record numbers. Funny how people still think it was hated soo much. Unless, of course, you meant your definition of "universal" is the NASIOC "universe".

As for when the new one will be available; I was told by an exec that it will be a year from now(January). I have said this is several other posts. Now. Knowing Subaru, that can be +/- a month or so. I believe the first ones will hit the ground in January(USDM). My dealer will probably get one mid February.
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