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Old 06-28-2013, 03:39 PM   #1
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Ram details 2014 1500 EcoDiesel


Ram has released tentative pricing information and the first images of its upcoming 2014 1500 EcoDiesel. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel will be the only diesel-powered light-duty pickup truck offered in the segment.

Ram hasn't released full pricing information for the 2014 1500 EcoDiesel, but says the 3.0L turbo diesel V6 option will carry a $2,850 premium over a similarly equipped truck with the automaker's 5.7L HEMI V8. Given that the 2014 Ram 1500 will list from $24,200 (not including a $1,095 destination charge), the EcoDiesel should have a starting MSRP somewhere in the neighborhood of $28,400.
Ram hasn't announced fuel economy figures for the 240 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque motor, but promises the 1500 EcoDiesel will return best-in-class fuel economy. The gas-powered Ram 1500 V6 is currently the fuel economy champ with a highway rating of 25mpg.

The 50-state legal Ram 1500 EcoDiesel will be mated exclusively to Chrysler's new TorqueFlite eight-speed automatic transmission.

Look for Ram's lineup of 2014 1500 models to roll into dealer showrooms during the fourth quarter of 2013.
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:50 PM   #2
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I find it amusing that this 3.0 makes 20 more hp than the 7.3 diesel Ford I have. 80 ft/lbs less torque, but still nothing to sneeze at, and something the tuners will fix in no time.

Still, it'll be the frame/brakes/trans that's the limiting factor in towing.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:59 PM   #3
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I find it amusing that this 3.0 makes 20 more hp than the 7.3 diesel Ford I have. 80 ft/lbs less torque, but still nothing to sneeze at, and something the tuners will fix in no time.

Still, it'll be the frame/brakes/trans that's the limiting factor in towing.
Chrysler Corp. has made some nice engines, but as you mentioned in your post: it's everything ELSE you have to worry about with a Dodge(Ram... whatever.. its all Fiat).
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:44 PM   #4
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Chrysler Corp. has made some nice engines, but as you mentioned in your post: it's everything ELSE you have to worry about with a Dodge(Ram... whatever.. its all Fiat).
The engine is sourced from VM Motori. It's an Italian diesel engine.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:19 PM   #5
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The engine is sourced from VM Motori. It's an Italian diesel engine.
I was about to mention this as well. According to the Wikipedia article on Fiat's JTD engines, this VM Motori engine can produce up to 275HP (in the forthcoming 2014 Maserati Ghibli 3).
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well im interested. my f250 is pretty awesome getting 16-19 mpg but i wouldnt mind a few more and a little less weight. Don't find myself towing much anymore
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:15 PM   #7
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Unrelated but does the $1,100 destination fee seem high?

Cool diesel option. Imagine if a Tacoma-sized truck had this kind of engine.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:04 AM   #8
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Unrelated but does the $1,100 destination fee seem high?

Cool diesel option. Imagine if a Tacoma-sized truck had this kind of engine.
Toyota already introduced new one in Asia, They all have diesels over there. Wonder what Toyota is waiting for? Think Obama unpredictability on energy issues. Don't want to invest in training, parts etc in USA market.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10...mments/page/2/
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Toyota already introduced new one in Asia, They all have diesels over there. Wonder what Toyota is waiting for? Think Obama unpredictability on energy issues. Don't want to invest in training, parts etc in USA market.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10...mments/page/2/
the hoops diesels need to jump through for emissions compliance in the us (California) end up being a big reason.

vw had pulled the tdi in the us for a couple years before coming out with the newer engine.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:25 PM   #10
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$5k more for 40 fewer hp when compared to the Pentastar V6. I'm sure there is a niche that will love it, but I don't see too many people paying that premium for an 11% fuel economy bump over the more powerful Pentastar V6. (Comparing 2WD 25mpg V6 gas to 2WD 28mpg V6 diesel).
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:07 PM   #11
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$5k more for 40 fewer hp when compared to the Pentastar V6. I'm sure there is a niche that will love it, but I don't see too many people paying that premium for an 11% fuel economy bump over the more powerful Pentastar V6. (Comparing 2WD 25mpg V6 gas to 2WD 28mpg V6 diesel).
For people that buy a truck just to have a truck and hardly ever use it as a truck, then you're probably right.

But if you actually use this as a truck, then you're wrong. Having to tow loads for business or recreation, this diesel is perfect for the job. It's not about horsepower and it's not about how much torque it produces. Most V8's today will provide close to 400 ft/lbs of torque, and over 300hp. It's about how low can you produce that torque. Most gas V8's, produce torque way too high in the power band and is uncomfortable for towing. Only the Ecoboost F150 and this Ram 1500 desiel produce nearly full torque at cruising idle which makes it feel like there is nothing behind you.

High fuel mileage and the ability to tow comfortably on the weekends makes this the perfect vehicle for people with ATV's, Dirtbikes, snowmobiles, Boats, horses and RV's. And for people with a construction business or a farm, it'll save money in the long run.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:55 AM   #12
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For people that buy a truck just to have a truck and hardly ever use it as a truck, then you're probably right.

But if you actually use this as a truck, then you're wrong. Having to tow loads for business or recreation, this diesel is perfect for the job. It's not about horsepower and it's not about how much torque it produces. Most V8's today will provide close to 400 ft/lbs of torque, and over 300hp. It's about how low can you produce that torque.
It's been a very long time since I drove a turbodiesel work truck.. but when I did, they had very mediocre low end torque until the turbo finally spooled up. Are modern truck diesels really producing torque just off idle? I know that semis aren't particularly impressive torque-wise off idle.. and they're built to tow... but they have loads of gearing.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:32 PM   #13
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It's been a very long time since I drove a turbodiesel work truck.. but when I did, they had very mediocre low end torque until the turbo finally spooled up. Are modern truck diesels really producing torque just off idle? I know that semis aren't particularly impressive torque-wise off idle.. and they're built to tow... but they have loads of gearing.
Actually you misquoted me, notice how i said "cruising idle". At work we have all kinds of equipment and vehicles, i've used them all and towed with them all. We have older ford 7.3L's and 6.0's, as well as newer Ford 6.4L's and brand new Dodge 6.7's. We also have a few merc diesel sprinter vans. Modern diesels HD trucks are a far cry from the older trucks. The old 7.3's were a dog even at full boost, and had a long turbo lag. But it was not directly rpm dependent to reach boost. It had more to do with the throttle position and airflow. The larger the turbo the longer the lag, but even from a dead stop if you mash the throttle you experience a 2 seconds delay while you hear the turbo spool, then the rpm's climb as you move. But after that 2 second lag delay, you have gobs of torque to move your load. That's the idle you are talking about.

I'm talking about cruising idle, on the highway at 1500-2000rpm. Even on the old 7.3L, the turbo lag is negligible once you step on the throttle. The new engines are even better. While cruising you have most of your torque available at these rpms with negligible lag. In my experience with gas NA engines is that you usually have to cruise in lower gears with the rpm's much higher when you have a large box trailer or heavy load behind you.

The sprinter van's have a much smaller turbo with very little to any delay(not noticeable to me any more than a gas engine) and will be more like the 1/2 ton dodge diesel 3.0L. I've driven the van on several occasions towing a roughly 4000lbs box trailer. Same for the Merc GL diesel suv i towed a travel trailer with. It was very nice.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:57 PM   #14
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I don't entirely understand the price disparity between gas and diesels in the US market, even after having purchased one myself. Or the disparity in fuel prices, for that matter. Nice torque though.
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$5k more for 40 fewer hp when compared to the Pentastar V6. I'm sure there is a niche that will love it, but I don't see too many people paying that premium for an 11% fuel economy bump over the more powerful Pentastar V6. (Comparing 2WD 25mpg V6 gas to 2WD 28mpg V6 diesel).
420 lb-ft of torque






Just pop this right into the wrangler and we're good to go.
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420 lb-ft of torque

Just pop this right into the wrangler and we're good to go.
420 ft lb of torque would matter if the wrangler didn't already have a 2 speed transfer case with crazy low crawling gears.
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420 ft lb of torque would matter if the wrangler didn't already have a 2 speed transfer case with crazy low crawling gears.
Only the Rubicon has the 4:1 low, the rest only have 2.72:1

So that diesel in a basic sport package would be a great option.
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I've seen the performance figures for the diesel in the Grand Cherokee, and they're weak. I can only imagine how slow this will be.
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I've seen the performance figures for the diesel in the Grand Cherokee, and they're weak. I can only imagine how slow this will be.
In what way? 0-60 in 7.8, 1/4 Mile in 16 flat for the GC Ecodiesel; I guess I would be curious to know what you were expecting?

(For comparison, the TDI Toureg was only a tenth quicker in both accel tests)
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In what way? 0-60 in 7.8, 1/4 Mile in 16 flat for the GC Ecodiesel; I guess I would be curious to know what you were expecting?

(For comparison, the TDI Toureg was only a tenth quicker in both accel tests)
Well considering plenty of pickups are running 0-60 in the 6s and a few break 14 seconds in the quarter, I would like more. But this is a fuel economy motor, not a power one. I'm in the minority I know but for me power>fuel economy all day long. I don't drive my truck enough to care.
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Well considering plenty of pickups are running 0-60 in the 6s and a few break 14 seconds in the quarter, I would like more. But this is a fuel economy motor, not a power one. I'm in the minority I know but for me power>fuel economy all day long. I don't drive my truck enough to care.
Plenty of them? I haven't seen too many stock trucks running that quick, but I will admit I don't pour over truck test data.

Most of us want a diesel option for fuel economy and towing concerns, were you under the impression the EcoDiesel was going to somehow make the trucks faster?
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Plenty of them? I haven't seen too many stock trucks running that quick, but I will admit I don't pour over truck test data.

Most of us want a diesel option for fuel economy and towing concerns, were you under the impression the EcoDiesel was going to somehow make the trucks faster?
If someone is regularly towing a heavy load then they should look into an HD truck. No matter what the ratings are, the brakes and suspension on half tons isn't going to cut it for towing anywhere near capacity.

As for your second question, no. I knew this would be a mpg motor from the start, my point was I could care less about gas use so I'd rather a big gas engine- you can get 400ish HP in GM, Ram, Ford and Toyota trucks.
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Modern diesels just arent as appealing as the old ones. Dpf filter, sensiivity to fuel lubricity, etc etc. I don't know about this engine in particular but it seems the majority of the new diesels out there have at least one boogeyman (i.e. the fuel system grenading in cr tdi vws).

$2850 is actually less of an increase than i was expecting, but i wonder how it will affect price flexibility, especially early on.

Pickups have big margins, and much more wiggle room on price than most passenger vehicles.

My work truck is a 13' hemi ram express 4x4 that with a sticker of 32 that was bought for 25. Hopefully that 20% price movement stays intact.

Its averaging around 18mpg, still hasn't seen an oil change or broken in, hoping for 20 mpg later on. It does require relying on cruise to get the ecu to activate eco mode frequently though. The behavior of the cylinder deactivation doesn't work well with a person that keeps their foot on the throttle steady, it acts like it needs a change in vacuum to activate eco after dropping it from something like a hill for example.
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