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Old 03-13-2003, 11:40 PM   #1
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Default OB mods and woes?

Hey great to finally see a forum just for OBs!! The Legacy Forum was cool too, but now I don't need to sort thru all the posts to see which one's from a fellow Outbacker!

So I have a couple of questions, specifically for OB owners, even more specifically for those of you out there who own a '97 MT (yup, that's mine).

Anyone had the dreaded head failure problem happen to them?
Or the other dreaded clutch/tranny shudder?

And then here's my other qn:

How can I get more power from the 2.5 DOHC? 165hp is fine for most normal driving, but I got totally creamed driving up the mountains in Colorado... I was passed by at least a dozen new V6 Outbacks! I had to drop down to 3rd gear, just to get enough power to keep at 45-50 mph! Granted the car was full, but still...

ok, once again, great to have an OB forum!!
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Old 03-13-2003, 11:57 PM   #2
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Hey did you come offroading with us once?

Also a turbo kit would fix those mountain driving

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Old 03-14-2003, 12:14 AM   #3
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there's a thread in the Legacy forum about the headgasket problems:

short summary, almost every post i "yup, it happened" or "hasn't happened to me" followed 6 months later by "finally happened to me"

Be planning on a $2200 repair bill, mine blew 600 miles form home with 120k on the odo, and it took 3 weeks to even get it trailered to a dealer who would actually work on it (new dealer held on to it for weeks saying it was almost done before coming clean and telling me they had noone who knew how to work on Subarus yet......

anyways
how many miles do you have on yours?
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Old 03-14-2003, 01:53 PM   #4
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hmm, offroading? lol, haven't really gone offroading intentionally in the OB... although that is part of the reason why i did get the OB... the most offroad i've done was at the grand canyon (went right up to the edge and camped overnight, 'coz the motels were basically extorting $$)... or the time in the dark i backed up the OB into a ditch that i didn't know was there!

that was a pretty fun time... had the right rear wheel spinning in the air, and the whole thing was balancing on the left rear wheel and the front right wheel... it couldn't pull itself out, but someone who could drive stick came along, got in the driver's seat and gave it some gas, while i went behind the right rear and pushed the car up so the front left was on the ground too. Once both front wheels were on the ground, the OB calmly pulled itself out without any fuss. ah yes, the beauty of all wheel drive.

and as for the head gaskets... bummer. it is one of those problems though, that even if it hasn't happened to you yet, no guarantee that it won't in the future, and it probably would. you can't really get conclusive evidence to confirm it won't happen, only conclusive evidence to confirm that it will. shucks. was hoping to avoid that...

turbo.. maybe. but i think i oughta start saving up $$ for that head gasket! what about the snorklesectomy that i keep hearing about? what exactly does that do?
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Old 03-14-2003, 02:08 PM   #5
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Pics of offroading in NJ... http://isuzu-suvs.com/events

-mike
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Old 03-14-2003, 04:22 PM   #6
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Speaking of headgasket issues, i just read up on the thread in the legacy forum. And i caught some symptoms that lead me to think all my CELs lately may be pointing towards a blown head gasket on 2-4 side. Im always gettin misfires over there, i have somehow lost 2 qts of oil. Whips of white smoke comming from under the hood after hard driving when i come to a stop. Any agrements of disagrements?
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Old 03-14-2003, 04:54 PM   #7
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The loss of oil while the car is running, and the smoking points me towards a seal leak, front main or rear main maybe.
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:04 AM   #8
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Default any thoughts?

Hmm, offroading in NJ? Tempting. Let me know when the next trip's gonna be... I see there was a Land Rover on that Pine Barrows run though... Land Rovers are a good time. I used to drive a Defender.. best times were in the outback down under... climbing up mountain trails at 30something degree angles (it's a little disconcerting when all you see out ahead of you is sky!), powering up and down sand dunes... sigh. what good times...

Okay, so sooner or later I'm going to have to face up to the head gasket issue. Can anyone tell me why I should take a subaru OEM fix over Cobb?

And here's another question.. I'm thinking of getting my OB painted all black, so no more grey skirt. And then doing a classic red flame job on the front. opinions? i'll be honest, it's only to cover up the scratches on the bumper!

oh, and i don't think i answered sybir's question.. just hit 80k a couple days ago.

can anyone give me a lead on the snorkusectomy? what exactly does it do?
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:08 AM   #9
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I had the Head gasket problem on my '00 OBW at 40k miles. Both sides were leaking. The main symptom that I had was a burning smell.
I also have had the rotors replaced (front & Rear were warped), along with the clutch. The clutch happened after complaining about the clutch shudder several times- one of the service techs turned around and said "that's not normal-let's repalce it!" Both were done at 36k miles.

Thankfully everything was done under warranty!

Even with everything that has been done, I love my OB.

Kmin-

Join us out at the Pine Barrens one of these times. It's a lot of fun, and a good chance to drive off road a bit.


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Old 03-17-2003, 02:19 PM   #10
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We are looking at doing a run in May. Keep your eyes peeled. Maybe even we'll get Hypov to ride with Bat so that they can lead the Outback/Forester group

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Old 03-18-2003, 09:32 AM   #11
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Default oo..

Hmm, 40k for head gasket failure? That's a little unusual, I hear they usually go at about 80k or more.. ah well. Mine are still holding up (keeping my fingers crossed!). So no one has any opinions on the Cobb upgrade? It sounds good, plus it'll give me some extra hp, I'm just uncertain about their reliability (although if you think about it, what guarantee do I have that the new SOA head gaskets won't go out on me in another 80k miles? hmm..).

yeah, may sounds interesting! I'll have finals to take (the price you pay for being in college), and I might be going out of the country for a bit, but keep me updated!
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Old 03-18-2003, 10:05 AM   #12
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Default Head Gasket

Actually I've heard of a few people who have had the head gsaket and rotors go at low mileage. It seems to be happening to the 2000 and later models.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

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Old 03-22-2003, 02:27 AM   #13
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2000 OB Wagon. Driver side head gasket went at 39,412 miles. What are the symptoms for warped rotors?
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Old 03-23-2003, 12:33 PM   #14
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I know that my brakes felt like it would take an extra second to grab; that plus I was getting a burning smell.

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Old 07-27-2005, 02:44 PM   #15
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Default 2003 OB breaks / head gasket/ mods

I just bought a 2003 outback with 43K on it, I love it! whoever the 1st owner was they took real good care of it.

the breaks squeaked a little so I wanted to make sure it was taken care of, the dealer quoted me 191.00 per axle to replace pads, Auto zone's best was 49.00, but when I got home the pads were new. I have never heard new pads "groan" when move slow and apply breaks (like going over a speed bump).

Head Gasket:
I have been reading the post about head gaskets, I have noticed that after drive home (1 hour drive at 80-85 MPH) I notice a oil smell, I have been reading that if you smell this your HG is about to go, please tell me this is not so. would this be covered by warranty? I still have about 15K on PowerTrain, I also have a 100K extended that is BTB. I am good with cars but I cannot find a noticable leak.

Advise / comments?

By the way I LOVE THIS CAR, it drives like it has glue on the tires.

also what mods can I do for HP while still getting current mileage (or close) that wont void warranty.
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Old 07-29-2005, 09:32 AM   #16
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wow a resurrected thread that I started!

welcome to the club, TexasVet.

HG:
If you smell burning oil, then there must be a leak somewhere. If it isn't appearing on the ground, check the tranny and engine bay. Might be the HG, but there are usually other symptoms (coolant, heat issues, etc.) as well. HG should be covered under powertrain, if you ask me. Unless they claim it's a wear item, which I would consider bs.

HP gains:
snorkusectomy. Sucks in cooler air, but don't expect to shave seconds off your 0-60.
K&N air filter. Better response, but again, you're not going to start dominating the drag strip.
Lightweight pulley. but will probably void your warranty.
Exhaust, etc.

Check the Legacy forums as well - the Outback and Legacy are 90% similar under the skin, so lots of useful info there.

And again, welcome!
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