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Old 03-30-2003, 09:00 PM   #1
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:18 PM   #2
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They said the EVO has better seats, better steering, and even with the WRX's new dynamic differential and all, the EVO would outrun the WRX STi in every canyon run. That's right, they all said, no matter who was driving, the WRX STi couldn't stay with the EVO through the canyons.
Are we speakin' about Laurel Canyon?!
"They said"... Reminds me of a quote from the movie "The Wild Bunch" about "THEY".
Anyway it's all just words. All magazines report things differently. I've yet to see an identical 0-60 time mag to mag for the WRX, so reports on the STi will be no different.
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:23 PM   #3
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i agree with you but i do think that this is another view to consider. anyway i am pretty sure i have decided on the EVO anyway
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:38 PM   #4
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We knew all along the Evo has a better suspension setup and chassis for handling. Of course the Sti will be a little quicker..but that's an easier fix than changing suspension/chassis dynamics...a few bolt-ons and you have a more powerful Evo. That's why I went with the Evo..it's lighter, comes with a stereo, looks better (subjective), and has always been the better handler..plus it's a little cheaper (probably). Also, my dealer service manager said he wouldn't void warranty if I did bolt on mods
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That doesn't make a lot of sense, the STi is the car you want to have on the track because it is faster, yet it can't keep up with the Evo on a canyon road? I'll still take the STi, even IF (a huge IF!!!!!) it doesn't handle as well. It is a lot easier and cheaper to improve handling than increase horsepower (won't kill your warrenty either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), not to mention NO LSD in the front of the Evo, no DCCD, and an interior which is far cheaper feeling AND looking in the EVO. You'd be better off having a LSD in the front of the EVO than in the rear. Speaking from experience, the first tight corner you come out of with your foot to the floor and the front inside tire putting on a nice rubber show, wondering why AWD doesn't feel like AWD for some reason. STi all the way!

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Old 03-30-2003, 09:46 PM   #6
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:46 PM   #7
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It is a lot easier and cheaper to improve handling than increase horsepower (won't kill your warrenty either). STi all the way! [/b]
that is not really true in this case. making more power in the EVO is not that expensive considering people alreadu making 40whp more with just simple bolt ons (check pruven). in contrast, improving handling geomatry and charactaristics can be quite expensive (coil overs, sway bars, etc...)
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:47 PM   #8
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2.5 and a big Garrett takes care of any STI handling problems.
how does bigger turbo and displacment improve handling

please don't confuse power with handling
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:49 PM   #9
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It is a lot easier and cheaper to improve handling than increase horsepower (won't kill your warrenty either). STi all the way!
Sorry you're wrong. It is more than a matter of springs, etc.
Power is easy. Simple dyno tuning on the Evo and it gained 30hp. It gained another 15 with a catback exhaust. With under $1000 in mods the US Evo has already ran 12.5x @ 107.xx 1/4's.
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Every time I hit the straightaway bye bye
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:54 PM   #11
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an interior which is far cheaper feeling AND looking in the EVO
Really? I think the materials are pretty comparable. This is coming from someone that has never been a Mitsu or Subaru fanatic and never owned either before...but I been in and driven them both. Which one is it that comes with a nice plastic plate instead of a cd player? The Sti. Which one has the nicer seats? The Evo with it's better fitting (imo) Recaros.
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:54 PM   #12
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i agree with you but i do think that this is another view to consider. anyway i am pretty sure i have decided on the EVO anyway
For those who can't wait to see what the STi is actually like, the evo is the obvious 'gotta have it now' choice. I'm sure these unsubstantiated rumors will sway a few fence-sitters into making a decison sooner rather than later. It's a personal choice, but for me it's not about ultimate speed or handling (I will probably not push either limit), but about 'feel'.

For myself, I will sample both first-hand, back to back. It's the only way to make an unbiased, informed decision on which car suits your individual needs best. One being the 'better track car' and the other 'better on the street' doesn't get it done.

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Let's see how that EVO is running with 100k miles on it after doing the mods. Crank walk????? I wouldn't take the chance. You know how good the 3 dimond name plate is for reliability.........(cough, choke.......). Suspension, I'll do that anyday over messing with the motor. If may save you a couple bucks doing motor stuff first but it'll cost you a ton more later. Can't change the tranny to a better one either for cheap in the Evo.
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:56 PM   #15
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Yea that review makes little sense. Like spburns said, pick the STI if all you want is a track car, but the EVO will run away in the canyons. Right, that makes perfect sense. Also, I've never heard a review saying the EVO was a more comfortable ride. Remember too, the STI's got the new spec c geometry and all the trick diffs. It lapped faster than the JDM GSR in the current best motoring. Not saying the STI will outhandle the EVO, but either way, they'll be close enough in that department that the better driver should be faster. In the straights though, different story.
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:00 PM   #16
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Let's see how that EVO is running with 100k miles on it after doing the mods. Crank walk????? I wouldn't take the chance. You know how good the 3 dimond name plate is for reliability.........(cough, choke.......). Suspension, I'll do that anyday over messing with the motor. If may save you a couple bucks doing motor stuff first but it'll cost you a ton more later. Can't change the tranny to a better one either for cheap in the Evo
You are very misinformed on the Evo. It is a different car than past Mitsus made in the US. It is made on a "slow line" in Japan. You must not have much experience with cars to be sticking with the suspension vs. motor mod debate.
Also, why would you change the tranny in the Evo?? It is VERY strong. It is even improved over the Evo VII with better double/triple synchros, etc. It is a very good tranny with proper gear spacing that is good at keeping the Evo in its powerband. No need for a 6-speed..6-speeds are mostly just marketing hype right now.
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:03 PM   #17
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Let's see how that EVO is running with 100k miles on it after doing the mods. Crank walk????? I wouldn't take the chance. You know how good the 3 dimond name plate is for reliability.........(cough, choke.......). Suspension, I'll do that anyday over messing with the motor. If may save you a couple bucks doing motor stuff first but it'll cost you a ton more later. Can't change the tranny to a better one either for cheap in the Evo.
altough i agree with you on some points there are few things you are missing. the EVO tranny as been proven to be very strong and even some of the fastest cars in japan still use the stock tranny (bozz speed 600hp EVO VI). also, the crank walk issue is more than likely doesn't apply to the EVO since is has better internals and it wasn't a problem with any of the EVO's so far (previous JDM cars), it seems like the CW porblem was only in the eclipse which was not built in the same way like the EVO. also, keep in mind that the EVO motor is considered to be one of the best turbo motors EVER BUILT according to many big tuners in Japan and in the US (JUN,HKS,etc..)

don't get me wrong, i do love the STI and i do think it is a great car but i just think that the EVO is in the same league in most aspects and even better in some
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:03 PM   #18
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Can't everyone just accept the fact that both cars are awesome, and there really won't be much difference.
I don't think you will see a clear victor (in stock form that is) for quite some time and a lot of racing around the country.
In modified form, that question of who is better will never be answered, because someone will always be upping the ante. That is the true beauty of these cars. They can keep getting better.
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:06 PM   #19
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Remember too, the STI's got the new spec c geometry and all the trick diffs. It lapped faster than the JDM GSR in the current best motoring. Not saying the STI will outhandle the EVO, but either way, they'll be close enough in that department that the better driver should be faster. In the straights though, different story. [/b][/quote]


I agree! Many auto mags have quoted that sitting in the Scooby is like taking a step up in quality compared to the Evo; oh and by the way, you can get a 6 cd changer in the STi, it's an option, so you can't say it doesn't come with one.

Why would you change the tranny? To get the DCCD and a LSD for the front.....which will become hugely important if you do decide to increase the HP. I am not questioning the reliability of the mitu. 5 spd. I do agree the Evo is a great car, I prefer the STi though, for the reason stated above (Tranny, more hp from the factory, I do like the style of the STi better but that is purely an individual preference, and reliability Hx)

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Old 03-30-2003, 10:10 PM   #20
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i would take everything you see in best motoring waith a grain of salt. in VOL.5 they did a test and the EVO7 won against the STI and GT-R34 which we all know is THE beast. i agree with you on one thing: the STI interior is much nicer. however, i really think that the EVO has everything you need: recaros, momo sw
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FWIW the AMG Kompressor was a SLK 32 with TOYO RA 1 rubber and the M3 had Hoosiers.

STI with 450hp, BYE BYE
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:10 PM   #22
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Check out evolutionm.net and look at the tech section. Sounds like the tranny is plenty strong... I count 5 people claiming tranny problems, at least two are getting new tranny's or parts from mitsubishi, and guess what, they weren't even done with the break in yet. I'd be afraid of a tranny that fails during normal city driving.

And they said the WRX had a glass tranny? That makes the Evo's what?
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:12 PM   #23
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Can't everyone just accept the fact that both cars are awesome, and there really won't be much difference.
I don't think you will see a clear victor (in stock form that is) for quite some time and a lot of racing around the country.
In modified form, that question of who is better will never be answered, because someone will always be upping the ante. That is the true beauty of these cars. They can keep getting better.
I agree. This is just the beginning as we are finally getting high performance cars and high performance handling for under $35K. Watch how our topics will change over the next 6 months from 0-60 and 1/4 miles times to cornering speed, brake, turn, accelerate and keep you hands on the wheel except when shifting!

This is great!

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Check out evolutionm.net and look at the tech section. Sounds like the tranny is plenty strong... I count 5 people claiming tranny problems, at least two are getting new tranny's or parts from mitsubishi, and guess what, they weren't even done with the break in yet. I'd be afraid of a tranny that fails during normal city driving
Hmm. I visit the forum ALL the time and never read that. Some are claiming grinding gears going into second, etc. BUT it is hardly an issue of the tranny being weak It is more an issue of either 1) people not used to the tranny and how to shift it properly or 2) Ayoung driver that has never even driven a stick before...yes there ARE teens buying this car..or should I say mommy and daddy buying them the car. Makes no sense. Same thing will occur when the Sti is released.
I have driven sticks for 15+ years and I think the Evo setup is pretty nice. The clutch, tranny, shifter are all smooth. I have done all kind of driving in my Evo and have yet to see a problem. Knock on wood
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