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Old 07-15-2003, 10:14 PM   #1
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The brakes on my 03 WRX feel soft to me. I picked up the car a few days ago. Other than that it's great. I drove a couple of others and the brakes seemed soft on those too. Any ideas?

For reference, I am looking for a feel similar to an M3 or a Z06. Hope that makes sense.

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Old 07-15-2003, 10:35 PM   #2
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Try changing the Brake lines.. I heard changing it helps A LOT
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:37 PM   #3
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For reference, I am looking for a feel similar to an M3 or a Z06. Hope that makes sense.

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hehe, it's gonna take few grand in upgrades to match that feel
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:50 PM   #4
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The brakes on my 03 WRX feel soft to me. I picked up the car a few days ago. Other than that it's great. I drove a couple of others and the brakes seemed soft on those too. Any ideas?

For reference, I am looking for a feel similar to an M3 or a Z06. Hope that makes sense.

Guy
I feel you man. If you don't want to drop 2-3 Gs to upgrade the brakes, try to put some new wheels(for looks)/tires on. The stock tires (Bridgestone RE92) isn't helping at all except the fact that it will probaby last you 25-30 thousand miles 'cause they're all- season. My rex brakes better and not as soft after I put new tires (Falken Azenis) on and I am really glad I get rid of the RE92s. Late.

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Old 07-15-2003, 11:01 PM   #5
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You're not gonna match the feel of a BMW, it's just not possible. BMW, IMO, has the best feeling brakes of all the regularly accessible car companies out there (I've never driven an exotic, so I wouldn't know what those feel like).

New tires will definitely let you stop faster, but I don't know if brake feel will be improved just with tires. You may want to try the stainless steel lines.
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Old 07-16-2003, 12:12 AM   #6
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The brakes on my 03 WRX feel soft to me. I picked up the car a few days ago. Other than that it's great. I drove a couple of others and the brakes seemed soft on those too. Any ideas?

For reference, I am looking for a feel similar to an M3 or a Z06. Hope that makes sense.

Guy
No offense Guy, but how can you compare a ~$23k car's "brake feel" to a BMW M3 or a Chevy Corvette Z06? Check in the "Brakes & Suspension" forum. They may have some helpful hints to help improve the pedal feel on your WRX. I heard the same thing OnlyKor stated (upgrading brake lines).

btw, Congrats on the purchase. Enjoy!

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Old 07-16-2003, 09:21 AM   #7
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Ok you ready for this? Test drive a Mazda 6...

I would EASILY compare those to BMW level of performance.

If Mazda can do it, I would think that Subaru should be able to in the near future.

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Old 07-16-2003, 09:44 AM   #8
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I wasn't happy with the feel of the brakes, or their performance so I swaped to SS lines, better brake fluid, hawk hp+ pads and the subaru 4pots... the feel is way better, and the car actually stops now.
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Old 07-16-2003, 04:15 PM   #9
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STi 4 pots alone will help the feel with any pads. Exeter Subaru is usually the cheapest around (bought mine there) www.subaruwrxparts.com You'll need to bed them in well, before you start noticing a big difference. 1 Track day did it for mine.

(KC...you becoming a Mazda spokesman, now that you've won the pro at the Boston rev-it-up and have a free trip to Cali? You must have connections now....get me a 90 Miata donor to build a spec racer, will ya?)

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Old 07-16-2003, 06:41 PM   #10
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I also had a BMW and a Porsche and eventhough I love my WRX; I must agrre that the brakes suck the big one...they are down right scary. It seems like a BBK is the only way to go to match a BMW.
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Old 07-16-2003, 07:14 PM   #11
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Tires and Fluid, Pads, MC brace would all help braking/feel, in the order listed.

Tires are the first best thing for actual braking; fluid (DOT4) firms the pedal up,followed by pads which improve both feel and performance; a master cylinder brace is the last relatively easy thing that can be added to improve feel.

Additionally, from what I'm reading about subies, is that they have booster swaps that can help the overboosted feel (like in GM cars).

The STi or any monobloc caliper would also help feel since it flexes less than sliding caliper designs.

SS lines aren't really a good idea, since a possibility exists for catastrophic failure should grit (= abrasion) get between the SS outer layer and the teflon tubing inside. Consider that BMW uses rubber lines, last I heard.
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Old 07-16-2003, 07:19 PM   #12
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Thanks for the ideas. I prefer not to go with a big brake kit. That's a bunch of $$. Sounds like a first step is steel braided lines, performance pads, and new fluid. Anyone with that setup? Did it help?

I guess the next step would be 4 pots in the front. And if I did that I would need aftermarket wheels, correct?

Mdex, did you leave the stock rotors and calipers in the rear?
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Old 07-16-2003, 07:57 PM   #13
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yah, on these cars the brakes could feel a little tighter...but
too tight for the street is not good for some as novie have a hard time heel and toe-ing during a sort of quick braking.

the mushy brakes actually work pretty well for street.
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Old 07-16-2003, 08:33 PM   #14
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Yes BMW brakes are sweet a$$. The 298mm 4 pot isn't a big brake upgrade since they will clear your 16 inch rims still. However, I doubt the spare will clear once you install them. Soft brake padel is a Subaru trademark, sadly.
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Old 07-17-2003, 12:09 PM   #15
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Tires and Fluid, Pads, MC brace would all help braking/feel, in the order listed.

Tires are the first best thing for actual braking;
How do different tires affect braking feel?
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Old 07-17-2003, 12:37 PM   #16
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How do different tires affect braking feel?
They don't. Notice I said braking/feel, the two are sides of the same coin, but need not have direct impact on the other. I believe I explained what I meant in subsequent paragraphs.




Unless you're prepared to check your brake lines a few times a year, SS lines aren't a good idea for street use. Use an MC brace instead. Earl's may have a new line material out that is stronger/stiffer than rubber, but I'm not sure if it can be used for brakes.

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