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Old 09-10-2003, 07:30 PM   #1
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Default How fast are our cars?

Just wondering, compared to everything else out there, how fast/slow are our cars, handling, 0-60, everything, compared to other cars out there?

Assume intake, exhaust, springs, struts, roll bar, tires and single point ground mods as given, since just about anyone looking to go fast makes these mods. Does that get us a car that's faster and/or better handling than a GTI or turbo Jetta? Civic Si? Mini Cooper S? Jeep Cherokee?

I know awd means we're not the fastest, but hope we're not the slowest...
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:03 PM   #2
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Our cars are quick. I ran 15.5 with ganzflow and scoobysport catback. Basically babying it off the line with a 2.1 60'. Against other cars straight line racing, we are usually in front (unless its an ungodly fast car) and if the other car is faster then they usually catch up at the top of third/bottom of fourth gear.
Handling wise.. the capabilities of our cars are very high. Throw in a good setup and you are outhandling many respectable handling cars. In the rain, you will definetly have the advantage over everything on the road. In the snow, there's no contest. The RS isn't a drag racing car. It's more of an all around do anything car. The RS sure is awesome in the first three gears though. The AWD does help alot in handling but it doesn't do anything for braking, so remember that. The RS is basically a perfect enthusiast's car. It can do everything.
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Old 09-10-2003, 08:53 PM   #3
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Good all around car, with lots and lots of potential, as said its defintly an enthusiests car, not many cars give you such a great platform to build on.

its not really great at anything, cept the snow.

Most cars in its class are a bit quicker for one reason and one reason only, AWD sucks up our HP.

If the RS was two wheel drive, it would be much 'quicker' But who wants a 2WD car anway! LOL

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Old 09-10-2003, 09:24 PM   #4
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Jeep Cherokee??? Under what circumstances would this be? the 4.0 definitely, the V8, I don't know. Jetta 1.8t's are not really fast without some serious work. I've found my car is quicker than most of the "sport compacts" made before 2002. The new stuff comming out (srt-4, GTi VR6, svt focus, SE-R Spec v) is getting faster.
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Old 09-11-2003, 12:53 AM   #5
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2wd= wrong wheel drive
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:24 AM   #6
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hey man in 2 months time i will be running a modded 2.5 FWD,
engine wise i wanna run a Stage 2 cobb setup
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:59 AM   #7
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Yeah our cars are fairly quick. I'm not too sure if the GTI VR6 is quicker or not, I would put my money on not. No doubt an SRT-4 is much much quicker, you can probably take them off the line though. As for the Focus SVT, and the Sentre SE-R V Spec; the focus only produces 170hp, and 145 ft/lbs of torque, no way is this car going to keep up with you; you will beat it off the line by a car length or more, and they don't have the power or torque to pull on you. Sentra's are putting out about 180hp, and 175 ft/lbs of torque, you will also beat this car off the line by about a car length, maybe more, and since the hp and torque numbers are almost the same I would say you will stay in front of the. As for top speed. I got my car up to 135 mph about a month ago, and my car is completely stock. I was in fifth gear running about 5200-5500 RPM, so I would say the car is good for about 140mph stock.

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Old 09-11-2003, 07:25 AM   #8
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I'm guessing the 2.5RS doesn't have a fuel-cut at a certain speed? Mine kicks in @ ~115mph. Not like I need to go that fast, but its always fun to see what she'll do.


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Old 09-11-2003, 08:31 AM   #9
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x4, i agree with the focus svt not keeping, up, i'd be really curious on the sentra se-r spec v, i'll be giving it a shot with my buddies 03 in a few days, but i think thats going to be a pretty even race, it just has better gearing then ours, but i'm a little bit better driver, should be fun
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Old 09-11-2003, 09:42 AM   #10
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Yeah our cars are fairly quick. I'm not too sure if the GTI VR6 is quicker or not, I would put my money on not. No doubt an SRT-4 is much much quicker, you can probably take them off the line though. As for the Focus SVT, and the Sentre SE-R V Spec; the focus only produces 170hp, and 145 ft/lbs of torque, no way is this car going to keep up with you; you will beat it off the line by a car length or more, and they don't have the power or torque to pull on you. Sentra's are putting out about 180hp, and 175 ft/lbs of torque, you will also beat this car off the line by about a car length, maybe more, and since the hp and torque numbers are almost the same I would say you will stay in front of the. As for top speed. I got my car up to 135 mph about a month ago, and my car is completely stock. I was in fifth gear running about 5200-5500 RPM, so I would say the car is good for about 140mph stock.

spec V will give you a better fight than you think... running against my wife's at the strip I had her until the very end... that's when the spec V took over, beat me by about 1/2 a car length... that was bone stock Spec V against mine with intake and proECM...

of course you have to know how to launch the spec V for this scenario... that car has so much torque, that it's hard not to light em up and hop down the track when you run...
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Old 09-11-2003, 10:14 AM   #11
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I was in fifth gear running about 5200-5500 RPM, so I would say the car is good for about 140mph stock.

Done that as well.. had sooo much more left in it too.. I need a front lip though because it got a little wobbly at about 210 km/h or so.. (can't really tell lol)

There's this Spec V that lives by my house and I drive by it almost every day. It's modified and one day I will probably have an encounter with it. It should be an awesome race.

My friend owns a 98 VR6 and he could only muster a 15.7 with intake and exhaust. Shouldn't be anything too tough to beat.
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Old 09-11-2003, 10:48 AM   #12
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no way on earth an RS will hit 140 stock... it can't even quite hit 120 stock due to drag... it would take quite a bit to hit 140, probably heavy NA build or FI...
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Old 09-11-2003, 11:10 AM   #13
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DanzBorin,
I agree and disagree. Speaking from experience I know a stock RS can go past 120 in the flats on an open road because I did it in mine when it was 3 months old and unmodded. This was not a downhill run!

You are totally right about not hitting 140. With CAI,Stromung Cat back, and copper plugs I've been up around 130 (based on rpms, since the speedo ends at 120!!) To hit 140 would require quite a bit more HP with the drag of our car. For people's reference, it will redline in 5th at about 145.
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Old 09-11-2003, 12:02 PM   #14
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For people's reference, it will redline in 5th at about 145.
Actually, with 205/55/16's it will smack the limiter (6250 rpms) at 137 mph.

The RS was a contender back in 98-99. Today, there's too much out there that has more power. Even in the handling realm, w/o a rear swaybar and tires you'll be playing second fiddle to most of the current hot FWDers.
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Old 09-11-2003, 12:40 PM   #15
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actually it would probably require about 165-170 whp to hit 140, since thats about what the wrx can hit stock

but yeah, you'd probably need to go turbo, nos, or heads/cams with full exhaust, intake, pulleys/flywheel
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Old 09-11-2003, 01:09 PM   #16
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actually it would probably require about 165-170 whp to hit 140, since thats about what the wrx can hit stock

but yeah, you'd probably need to go turbo, nos, or heads/cams with full exhaust, intake, pulleys/flywheel
There is a lot more to it than power. I bet my car would at least flirt with 140. I'm not one to try it though.

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Old 09-11-2003, 01:11 PM   #17
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The RS was a contender back in 98-99. Today, there's too much out there that has more power. Even in the handling realm, w/o a rear swaybar and tires you'll be playing second fiddle to most of the current hot FWDers.
that's why I have sway, tires, springs, struts, and tops... for that price, I don't know of a car that can handle better... not just autocrossing or road race, in the real world too...
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:05 PM   #18
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Dyno #'s: 139.5 Wheel HP
Top Speed: 136 MPH*

* as measured by:
1. In car PSI3 ECU Monitor
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0-60 Acceleration: 7.1**
60-0 Braking: 118 ft**

As measured by G-Tech
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Old 02-03-2005, 07:08 PM   #19
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Dyno #'s: 139.5 Wheel HP
Top Speed: 136 MPH*

* as measured by:
1. In car PSI3 ECU Monitor
2. Chase Car, 2001 SVT Focus (145 MPH Speedo)

0-60 Acceleration: 7.1**
60-0 Braking: 118 ft**

As measured by G-Tech

What is Opie doing on this thread? Hehe for that matter what am I doing here?

Hey Opie thanks for not including the A/F on the dyno run... (Mine not the above)

RS's ar cool though guys, they must be a whole different beast to drive than my WRX, I pretty much need to live above 4k to really cook. Under 2700rpm I have nothing... After that watch out...
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:14 PM   #20
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2000 2.5RS
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Cobb Intake, Borla Headers, Randow Tech Cat, Brospeed Exhaust, GFB Pulleys
Dyno #'s: 139.5 Wheel HP
Top Speed: 136 MPH*

* as measured by:
1. In car PSI3 ECU Monitor
2. Chase Car, 2001 SVT Focus (145 MPH Speedo)

0-60 Acceleration: 7.1**
60-0 Braking: 118 ft**

As measured by G-Tech
How much do you weigh, Opie?
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:57 PM   #21
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Originally posted by Opie
2000 2.5RS
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Cobb Intake, Borla Headers, Randow Tech Cat, Brospeed Exhaust, GFB Pulleys
Dyno #'s: 139.5 Wheel HP
Top Speed: 136 MPH*

* as measured by:
1. In car PSI3 ECU Monitor
2. Chase Car, 2001 SVT Focus (145 MPH Speedo)

0-60 Acceleration: 7.1**
60-0 Braking: 118 ft**

As measured by G-Tech
Suspension or body mods?
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How much do you weigh, Opie?
About 170

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Old 09-11-2003, 04:42 PM   #23
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Yeah our cars are fairly quick. I'm not too sure if the GTI VR6 is quicker or not, I would put my money on not. No doubt an SRT-4 is much much quicker, you can probably take them off the line though. As for the Focus SVT, and the Sentre SE-R V Spec; the focus only produces 170hp, and 145 ft/lbs of torque, no way is this car going to keep up with you; you will beat it off the line by a car length or more, and they don't have the power or torque to pull on you. Sentra's are putting out about 180hp, and 175 ft/lbs of torque, you will also beat this car off the line by about a car length, maybe more, and since the hp and torque numbers are almost the same I would say you will stay in front of the. As for top speed. I got my car up to 135 mph about a month ago, and my car is completely stock. I was in fifth gear running about 5200-5500 RPM, so I would say the car is good for about 140mph stock.

You forget drive line losses, I don't like to admit it but I will, I've done some street racing in my day and I know that the spec v is faster, not by much, but it is. I don't know for sure about the svt for sure. The GTIs are quick man, I've driven several and they defintiely have something on a stock RS. As for top speed, I've hit 135 also, this was comming off of a 6% grade but it stayed there until the road headed up.
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Actually, with 205/55/16's it will smack the limiter (6250 rpms) at 137 mph.

The RS was a contender back in 98-99. Today, there's too much out there that has more power. Even in the handling realm, w/o a rear swaybar and tires you'll be playing second fiddle to most of the current hot FWDers.
stupid mazda mp3's.....
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Old 09-11-2003, 09:02 PM   #25
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Guys I'm telling you that the RS is good for about 140mph, maybe slightly more. When I was doing about 135 the needle was pinned down by the lower right side of the odometer and still going. The road was flat, and the car was damn fast. I also know for sure that a WRX is good for more than 140. I was in my friends when he first got his, and we went past the 140 mark on the speedo. I think you guys are underestimating subarus. I mean I'm speaking from experience, not from some dyno run telling you how fast you would be going at so many RPM's with so much HP. There are too many factors for a dyno run to be 100% or even 90% accurate. As for me, the only numbers I really trust when measureing HP is the BHP rating.


Also, God Bless America Guys. What a tragic day it was two years ago.


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