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Old 02-16-2001, 09:09 PM   #1
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Hey guys,
I've been a member of this board for about a year. I've had a 2.5RS during this time. I got in an accident and it's in the shop for 3 more weeks.

During it's time in the shop I've been thinking about upgrading. My friend at work has a Celica GTS 6spd, that thing is fast!

Well suffice to say now i want one. But i have also been thinking about a WRX. I think that the GTS will out accelerate a WRX at speeds over 90mph, do you guys disagree? (What a loaded question this is).

Try not to flame the Celica (or me for that matter) A number of board memebers (newcelica.org) are running 14.5's in the 1/4. What's the WRX going to run?

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Old 02-16-2001, 09:11 PM   #2
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Well, the WRX is reported to get to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds... which should be more than enough to kill the GT-S. However, on a tight roadcourse track, it would be much closer because of the Celica's great chassis & light weight.
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Old 02-16-2001, 09:16 PM   #3
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You spelled it wrong. It's not G-T-S, it's W-R-X
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Old 02-16-2001, 09:16 PM   #4
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Look for a better car IMHO. Either go for the new WRX or go for a muscle car. I dont know what your priorities are but if youre only looking at 1/4 and 0-60 times, then you need some american muscle. Get a used Trans Am with WS6 suspension. That stuff kicks major ass. Youll be killing RSs and WRXs stock and then just spend about 3k for a supercharger thatll boost you to 550 or more horses. But its your choice, I personally dont like how the celica looks...at all. It doesnt grow on me one bit the way the WRX does.

OR! I have an even better idea. Get a 92 or 94 Corvette (or any year of the C4)! Yes! That stuff is fast and pimp at the same time. Also they are DIRT CHEAP!! I've seen them (in excellent condition) for under 15k!! I wish my parents would let me trade in my Subaru for one. Those things are bad ass.
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Old 02-16-2001, 09:52 PM   #5
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Well, not any year of the C4... wouldn't want to be stuck with a L98 powered one, or one with the Cease-Fire fuel injection.
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Old 02-16-2001, 09:59 PM   #6
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ok there both in the same price range, but the WRX is a MUCH better buy. not only will the WRX significantly out preforms the GT-S in stock form, but it will also be MUCH easier to tune. the GT-S has almost no aftermarket. the WRX aftermarket is enormous and since it comes with a turbo stock its much much easier to tweak and tune the engine for lots of extra horses. not to mention that its AWD (with a center limited slip and rear limited slip) and the celica is FWD. no contest. if ur looking for preformance, WRX hands down.

if ur looking for times:
grassrootsmotorsports got 5.7s 0 to 60 (and 5.5s with a hard launch)
Subaru got 0 to 100kmh(62mph) in 6.5 seconds with TWO other passengers in the car
SCC got 6.1s 0 to 60 (but they always get slower times, for example they got a 7.2s 0 to 60 for the GT-S)
autocar got 5.7s 0 to 60 and 14.5s QM (with the less powerful 215hp eurospec car)


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Old 02-16-2001, 10:00 PM   #7
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The celicas were running 14.5's with mods, or in conditions I could get a 7cyl pickup into the 15's The WRX will do it stock. Also the GT-S so far has had nothing that really improved the handling, while the WRX is just starting out. Need I remind you that its starting at Teg Type-R levels?

Then toss in a better tranny, better motor, factory turbo, a hell of alot more room, AWD, etc and the GT-S looks flat stupid at the same price.

My biggest problem with the GT-S is that its price is way out of line. For $24K I'd much rather have a VW GTI VR6 or Integra Type-R. Or heck cut that to $18K and get a golf 1.8T.

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Old 02-16-2001, 10:01 PM   #8
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Um, the GTS is FWD. Need I say more? I hear they have a tendancy to eat trannys too. Andrew's 'vette idea is a good one too.
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Old 02-16-2001, 10:05 PM   #9
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RidinLow, I didn't know C4s had probs. Which years did? Did any C5s have probs?
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Old 02-16-2001, 10:10 PM   #10
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Well, early-year C4's (84-ish) had tons of teething problems, ranging from dead fuel injection systems to incredibly expensive digital dashboard displays. Plus, it had a truck motor (all torque til 4000 rpm, then nothing) until the LT1 found its way underhood (sometime in the early 90's).

Haven't really heard anything bad about the C5's though.
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Old 02-16-2001, 11:20 PM   #11
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Get the GT-S.

We prefer to keep our cult status.
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Old 02-16-2001, 11:36 PM   #12
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A friend of my brothers, knew this guy, who heard from a tourist in Fla. that a guy he once knew owned a 2.5RS and then switched to a GTS and his penis fell off.

just my $0.02 worth

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Old 02-16-2001, 11:39 PM   #13
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OK, dont' buy a GTS... was that convincing?

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Old 02-16-2001, 11:47 PM   #14
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Why would you turn over a crazy 2.5RS for a no point 6 spd? Ummlets see what else....that whole penis falling off thing would be enough for me. FWD as opposed to AWD, hmmm need I say more? OK FINE.....ummm. It would just be dumb

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Old 02-17-2001, 12:08 AM   #15
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I would love to have a Celica GTS. The 6 speed manual would be lots of fun. However, I think AWD is more important than an extra gear.

Plus, if you want real performance, the WRX will be more modifiable (as someone else mentioned)
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Old 02-17-2001, 12:21 AM   #16
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The new celica GTS is basically a secretary's car...toyotas own research pointed out that the vast percentage of owners were female. There was only one exception that that owner trend. It was a different kind of celica only made from 88 til 93 called the st165 and st185 otherwise known as the Celica AllTrac

for more info check out www.allwheelmotion.com
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Old 02-17-2001, 01:47 AM   #17
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Well, here is what i have heard about the GT-S

First off the tranny is ****e. The gears are cut relativly thin to make room for the 6th gear. And becuase of that arent very sturdy. Supposidly with any aditional power adders, the tranny will fall apart from the excess torque. Ive also heard that the diff is preaty weak. And the right (i beleive thats the side with teh longer half shaft) will go out, and loose all power to it. Wow...1 wheel drive FF with no gear box...sounds fun.

The engine is kinda pesky, the VVT-i system is really a pain when working with forced induction. And valve cracking is common under high boost. Also the valves slapping the piston from over retarded timing at low RPM can happen. Head warping can also happen from what ive been told, due to improper managed VVTi under boost, and excess heat builds up.

Now, where i read most of this info was on a Celica enthousiast site, with people complaining abou the TRD clutch damaging their tranny, and how the dealer wouldent replace their tranny anymore becuase its their 5th one etc. So i take this info preaty seriously. If i can find the site again, ill post a link.

I was looking at getting a GT-S a year ago. And after reading that forum, i was completely turned off to buying one.

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Old 02-17-2001, 02:22 AM   #18
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Yes, the Stereotype for the Celica is that its a Girls car (no offence intended)

I say get the WRX, I just got that Automobile mag issue with the Porsche vs. WRX comparo, and boy, the GT-S just cant even compete with that... WRX = Cheap 911
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Old 02-17-2001, 02:43 AM   #19
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"I think that the GTS will out accelerate a WRX at speeds over 90mph, do you guys disagree?"

ED_RS,

I don't disagree at all. The top-end of the GTS is awesome, especially with a CAI and exhaust. If that's what you are looking for and that is the final factor in determining whether you buy one or not, consider it a bought car. With top speeds approaching 150mph, I can't see why you wouldn't get it. So yes, I think the GTS will out accelerate the WRX over 90mph. With it's aerodynamics and light weight, it's right on par with the ITR. Go for it!
Sorry folks!

BTW: Ed, I'm known as Myxalplyx on that board. And no, I don't plan on buying a Celica GTS. I just like a lot of things about the car.

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Old 02-17-2001, 05:43 AM   #20
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Keep you car. The RS is a collector's item in my mind. Your be upset when you stop at a light and see other cars just like yours, in the same color!

If you want more power, just get a turbo. Just look a what some times some guys are posting!
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Old 02-17-2001, 06:16 AM   #21
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let's see... 227hp with AWD

or 180hp with FWD.

hmm...shouldn't be tough. I can't see the Celica being faster at ANY speed.
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Old 02-17-2001, 06:53 AM   #22
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Well considering the GTS weighs about 600 pounds less it is likely that it would be faster once moving. However, like many have been pointing out the GTS hasn't been know for its reliability and tunability. The only two cars I'd consider in that price range are the ITR and WRX.

Edit, and like Andrew was pointing out, it seems that all you want is acceleration and speed. So you really should look into a camaro or firebird. Those things can be had for cheap and will hual ass.

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Old 02-17-2001, 07:30 AM   #23
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Personally i like the looks of the GTS better, heck i like the RS better than the WRX.

When i first purchaced the RS i really wanted the turbo, but none existed. Then i found out the WRX is coming, suffice to say i was excited. When i saw the styleing i was dissappointed at best.

Now, i bought my RS because of what it can do,not how it looks.

It's tough making a descision. And even toughter considering I won't be able to get a test drive the Rex for a good 6 months.

AWD is fantastic, but it's also addictive. If anyone remembers the post about all the RS accidents. I hope their aren't more when they throw 62hp into the mix.


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Old 02-17-2001, 07:33 AM   #24
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P.S as far as cult car status is conserned, arn't their 12000 WRX's alone shipping to America? Sorry to say it guy's but say good buy to a cult status, thats = to 4 years of RS's shipped over here.

I heard (correct me if i'm wrong) their only shipping 6000 GTS's a year. (again i could be wrong).

Thanks for the advice guys,
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Old 02-17-2001, 08:03 AM   #25
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maybe thats only the GTS numbers, but how many total celicas? (including GT models)
im sure there are a lot of them! And they are nearly identical (different wheels and a spoiler)

I test drove the celica GTS after my si was stolen, i only had intake and exhaust on the Si, and the celica didnt feel at all faster, or even torquier , given that it has 20lbs-ft more than my Si... the powerband was even peakier than the si's and narrower (less time in the agressive profile of vvti)
the gearbox i found confusing at best (the orientation of the gears are kind of sideways) and the car is VERY small inside, and has very poor visibility out the back and rear side windows...

id say keep your RS or get the WRx..
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