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Old 11-06-2003, 12:58 AM   #1
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Well, I've done the deed and bought the new spec Outback H6 here in Oz. I will pick it up Wednesday 12th. 180kw (240hp) and 5 speed sportshift. For those that are interested I'll post my driving impressions when I get it.
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Old 11-06-2003, 03:13 AM   #2
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Congrats ! Regular or Premium ?
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:35 AM   #3
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Regular.

Even though my current H6 is the premium I couldn't see the value in AU$7,500 (US$52520) extra for leather, VDC (which I hate in the current H6), curtain & side airbags, electric drivers seat and sun roof. I can do without all the above although the sunroof is sometimes nice on a winters day. The current H6 has 2 sunroofs as you may know. The front one tilts only and the rear slides into the roof cavity. I don't know where you are from Losiho, but the summers and even the springs and autumns here in Oz can be very hot in the sun so I dont have the roof open very much, only in winter mainly. In the hotter times I will only tilt open the front roof but keep the shade only partly open just to let the air circulate, so not having a sunroof is not a big deal.

I change my cars over about every 2 years, so buying premium is a waste I believe. I don't do as much dough through depreciation if I buy the standard spec. I just don't see the value in the premium spec, although some people like those extras and I guess if you're safety conscious the side & curtain bags are good.
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:38 AM   #4
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I'm from Melbourne. Even though Sydney probably has more fine days than Melbourne, I think we get more extremes of temps in both seasons

My Outback is the GX, without sunroof. I certainly don't miss it, and from what I've heard, the front glass sunroof in the Outback has no sunshade ? No thanks, the sunlight on sunny days would get annoying.

How did the H6 compare to the GT Lib ?
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:49 AM   #5
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Losiho,

I just read your location after I posted and I see you're from Melbourne, and I now remember you. How could I forget when I inadvertently insulted the 2 tone Outbacks, for which I apologise, as I did actually like the 2 tone green.
So you'll know what I mean about the hot summer sun, but you may use a sunroof more than I would as Melbourne would experience less severe sun through the cooler months for a longer period than us here in Sydney.
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Old 11-07-2003, 01:43 AM   #6
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Losiho,

The H6 has a shade on both sunroofs.

I didn't drive them for long enough to gauge a big difference in them except that the GT is quicker off the line as the max torque is developed lower in the rev range:
GT..........310nm @ 2400rpm I think
H6..........297nm @ 4200rpm I think
Also, the gearing and final drives are the same except the GT has smaller diameter tyres and the GT is lighter by about 90kg (I think) so these conspire to make it quicker off the line as well.
The GT is lower and with the lower profile tyres it obviously handles better, but I really didn't push either of them too hard as the sales rep was sitting in the car with me.
Other than that, when you're moving and you tap down a gear or two they both really get up and fly. These are two seriously quick cars.
From the lights I floored the GT (on a small section of 100km h/way) and in a blink I was at 120kmh. Oh ***** this is quick. I didn't do that to the demonstrator H6 as it only had 30km (I was the first test drive) on the odo so I thought it was too new for that. I treated it softly, but when the sales rep drove it he floored it and it felt as quick as the GT, they both flatten you against the seat. They are both very nice cars. Definitely the best cars I've driven by a long way.

They both sound nice. The GT has a nice low (not noisy) burble while the H6 has a nice induction sound.

I am getting the H6 over the GT for 4 reasons mainly:
1) the H6 has the self levelling rear suspension and in my business I sometimes carry heavy things and this is a good feature.
2) the insurance with a turbo can be expensive
3) I like the refinement of the H6
4) there is more go anywhere appeal with the H6. I mean you can't even go over a gutter with most cars these days

Anyway, there was a good article in the November (I think) issue of Wheels or Motor about the GT Liberty wagon and the 2.5i Liberty sedan. I think they said something about it being one of the best GT's (of any make. Big claim, eh?) ever or something to that effect.

Also, this article link below for youe info.
http://editorial.carsales.com.au/mel...tory2/DE25D25- 1F368246DCA256DD0000269AE
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Old 11-07-2003, 04:26 AM   #7
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It all sounds good, I bet you can't wait ! What colour did you choose ?

The latest Wheels mag has a comparo between the Liberty 2.5i Premium, Mazda 6, Honda Accord and Holden Vectra. There was no firm victor, but the writer concluded the article by saying "...there's just a little more star quality in the car with the stars on the badge...". I think that sums it up perfectly !
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Old 11-07-2003, 10:06 AM   #8
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Quotes from www.nrma.com.au gave me aprrox the following figures.
I have a GT premium on order, over 35yo, 60ncb etc etc good driving history (well till the GT arrives anyway)
I got a quote for GT and H6 at $63,000 just for the sake of the argument
The GT was around $1950/year and the H6 around $1150/year I think the figures were. Hot sure why when they have the same Kw and thats still less than a new BA Falcon. Why do insurance companies hate the word turbo so much?

Good luck with the new Outback, I am sure you will be as pleased as I will be come early December
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Old 11-07-2003, 04:07 PM   #9
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Losiho,

I'm getting the metalic white. The Wheels article was good for the Subi. Reading between the lines they seem to have a soft spot for Subi's and we all know why don't we?

Liberty,

Lucky you for getting a GT, it's a really nice drive. I'd be more than happy that car! I'd have the same premium as you, over 35yo, 60ncb and good driving history so I'll expect to pay the $1150. You'll do well to hang on to your license tho, in the GT (or me in the H6 for that matter).

Insurance co's hate the word turbo. It's because they think that if it's a turbo, you're going to scream around the place and have smashes etc. As if you would in a $63,000 car! I bet you're more careful than somebody in their $30,000 Falcodore. It can't be because of theft as the new Subis have Datadot and the immobilizer alarm etc. They've just got no idea and the NRMA is the worst. When I changed my wheels to 17" rims, the NRMA said they wouldn't insure me, so I went to Alliance and they said no probs. Can you work that out? I think the NRMA is run by the share holders now and profit is their only agenda. No risk insurance, but isn't that what insurance is all about..... risk?

Anyway, Liberty where abouts in Sydney are you? I'm on the south side. Maybe when you get your new GT we can meet up and compare notes. It'd be good to see a fellow enthusiast. Tell me what you think.
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Old 11-08-2003, 06:21 AM   #10
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I grew up in the southern suburbs, Oatley to be precise, I now live in the South West near Holsworthy (we like to call it North Heathcote).

I guess we are not to far apart. I should have mine late this month early next they say. Would be keen to catch up and compare notes. I will keep an eye on this thread for your impressions, or drop me an email mystrangeaddress@hotmail.com

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Old 11-08-2003, 04:50 PM   #11
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Tim,

Not far away. I'm in Alfords Point. I grew up in STh Hurstville then Gymea Bay. I'll email you after I get my Outback and then when you get your GT we can meet.

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Old 11-10-2003, 01:37 AM   #12
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That would be great, tell me, what are your impressions of the new H6 compared to your existing?
I drove a 2002 H6 as a loan car for a few days and thought it felt very nice with a nice gearbox. It was only new when I had it (less than 1000kms) but the power was smooth and effortless.
If I had not driven this H6 auto I probably would not have been so happy to buy an auto (not that I ended up with a choice anyway).
Have you looked into alarms for the car, (Subaru Aust are recommending NO alarm be added with the new LAN setup - I got it in writing from them !!!. Offical word is they are looking into it) not many want to touch it, the ones who do have not done one yet. I have a contact who does alarms for Thomsons at Parramatta as well as Penrith Subaru, and for 1/2 the price and he has done over 10 new Libertys so far with zero problems. End result is the car will have 5 immobilisers, plus doors, bonnet and boot. Give me a holler if you want some details.
Did you buy yours thru Tynans or bankstown or who? If Tynans did you get anything extra from then besides a smile? and who was the sales rep, one of the Tynans?
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Old 11-10-2003, 06:17 PM   #13
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Tim,

I will reply to you via this forum rather than contact you direct as some people on the forum may like to read my reply.

The current (2002/03) spec H6 has a lovely motor and is a very nice car. As you say smooth and quiet and quite adequate power. My only issue with it is that the auto is a bit slow to react and it really needs another gear or so. This is why I was so eager to get the new spec H6 as it has the 5 speed sportshift AND an extra 26kw (19hp) and 15nm (11ft lbs I think). I really like a manual and this was my first auto but I do alot of driving in Sydney and as you know Tim the Sydney traffic can be tiresome in a manual. The sportshift seemed to be an ideal compromise and this is why I've updated to the new Outback H6.

As far as you are concerned (as you've indicated that you are getting a new spec GT Liberty) you WILL be happy with the GT I'm sure. I have driven it as a demo and it is a ripper as is the new spec H6. The sportshift is a beauty in both vehicles and you get the added bonus of gear changing on the steering wheel which is fun!

I was not too concerned with an alarm at the moment as it has the new data dot technology but I may consider it. I will have to talk to the Subaru people, so I may get back to you on that.

I have bought it through Tynan's as they did give me a reasonable deal on the old Outback. I dealt with Morgan McCarthy as I did when I bought the old Outback H6. I like their service dept. Where did you go to get your GT Tim?
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