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Old 09-30-2000, 10:46 PM   #1
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Talking Rallycrossing in Prescott!


Whhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PS: I won! Fastest time of the day. 1 m 1.13 s Just barely (by 0.13 s) beating a guy who'd been kicking my butt all day in an SHO. Got him on my last run. My second best was a 1 m 1.42 s and his best was a 1 m 1.26 s and I had one more run to go.

OMFG! That was a blast!


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Old 09-30-2000, 10:59 PM   #2
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Awesome! And I had to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

See you guys soon.

Bud, Are you going to the next Auto-x?

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Old 09-30-2000, 11:02 PM   #3
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I'm planning on it. I sure hope it's cooler.

(BTW, I crashed your S-AFC thread w/rallycrossing news. Sorry.)

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Old 10-01-2000, 12:51 AM   #4
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Not a problem. I wish I could have gone! If only I could go through life without working it would be so much easier

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Old 10-01-2000, 09:40 AM   #5
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Good Job Red!

I thought Simon had several times under 1 m 1 s?

Or were you talking about your class?

It looked like fun, I wish I had come more prepared so I could have run.

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Old 10-01-2000, 10:04 AM   #6
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Hi Aaron,

I saw you and Kastle (I think) there in the morning (when I was not driving all that well). I wondered why you two didn't run. We had a blast.

You know, I'm not sure what Simon was running. I know he was having trouble with 1st gear all day and he had a leaky front tire that he finally popped of the bead. He dropped out early in the second (or was it third) set of runs. (We got three full sets. I probably ran the course nearly 30 times yesterday - great seat time.)

There's no way I'd have won if Simon had continued to drive. I'm just going by what the SCCA guys said. Maybe Simon really did have fast time and they just "lost" the time card. I was having such a good time they might not have had the heart to tell me.

That dude with the SHO and I were in a pretty heated battle. He and I exchanged setting top times probably 3 times. He could sure throw that SHO around the course. I took a ride with him later in the day. (He and I were giving rides after the rallycross. I drove an SCCA top dog (I believe it may have been the president) and a rally driver through the course to show them the line.)

BTW: One of the guys who rode with me took video of it through the windshield. I gave him some cash and my address and asked him to send me a copy. I'll try to post it, if I can. It was a great run (even with three people in the car) and the video looked good from what I saw of it.

I'll post some pics and whatever else I can later.

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Old 10-01-2000, 04:21 PM   #7
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Heh, I rule. Damn close to fast time of the day, and I had 3 runs left when I packed it in.

The course rocked, with plenty of need for hand brake turns, and alot of soft dirt. Kinda blew in the section in fornt of the satnds it was VERY soft, and VERY deep, so much so I got high centered and nearly got stuck.

I want to see some video of my car running, as I am sure the straight produced a HUGE dirt rooster tail, and the huge dirtcloud producef by my car bouncing around after the jump, must look cool.

Finally I must say AWD RULES, FWD BLOWS. To loose by 13 hundreths to a car with 50+ HP less says something. Well also the extra 900lbs doesn't help.

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Old 10-01-2000, 06:03 PM   #8
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well... I did not get to see most of the action, but heard bad news about how things went in general. Here is what I heard please clarify:

start was 3 hours late, with few workers.

attendance was minimal (good for you bad for business hehe)

Were the photocells and big board used from the autoX?

Red, thanks for giving the SCCA guy a spin, wish the other guy (the tall one in the blue shirt) would have gone, he was the CEO of the SCCA. We're workin on getting him hooked more on rally events.. Anywho, I hope everyone had a blast. I promise a better event next year when we start the RallycrossUSA series. I'll not be at the next autoX, but will try to make the one after that, Red, find me for that award!!!

Thanks again to all who stayed and ran..

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Old 10-01-2000, 06:36 PM   #9
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My fast time of the day was 1min flat.
First gear was fine. Don't know where the
tranny rumor started.

It was the steel rim that had problems.

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Old 10-01-2000, 10:22 PM   #10
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It did get started about 10:00-10:30 from what I recall. No big deal, other than I got there at 6:50 and was starting to freak out about 8:00 when no one showed up.

Attendance WAS minimal, but due to the lack of help/space, this may have been a good thing.


Thing I think would have made it a world better are

1. more people who know what they are doing.
2. more cars running
3. keep cars running untill just before the rall cars arrive.

On the first point, with a couple of extra people who have run events like this before, the tasks needed to be done could have been done quicker and better. this is needed to run more cars.

The last point I only bring up, because the stands filled and emptied more than once as people came, then got sick of waiting while nothing went on. I had fun showing some people the course later on, maybe if the rally runs late and people are willing, start offering rides to people(spectators) for a minimal fee? So the driver gets a fun run for free, and the event gets say $5 a head to experience a hot lap around the course. Then people in the stands would get to watch SOMETHING while waiting for the "real" cars to show.

And what I get nothing?? I KNEW I should have done my last 3 runs
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Old 10-02-2000, 07:20 AM   #11
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Hey Simon,

If you ran a 1 min flat, then that 1st place belongs to you. The SCCA guys have the cards, I'll certainly go by their rule. I have no doubt you're the better driver. I spent the first half of the day pushing the front end of my RS through the corners. It wasn't until the last set that I really started hauling gluteus maximus.

That's a damn nice run. The best pro run was 0.97 min (58.2 s). Most of them ran in the 1 min 1 s to 1 min 3 s range (from what the time keeper told me). Of course they only got one shot at it and they had been running for two days straight.

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Old 10-02-2000, 07:41 AM   #12
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Bill,

Thanks again for putting this on. We all had a lot of fun.

Things were a little dis-com-boobulated, but it really went off fine for the drivers. The two SCCA guys running it did an exceptional job (I think they were the only workers). There were only about 6-or-8 cars running (and we were down to 3-or-4 by the last few runs). No photo-cells. No big board. We made the guys who knocked cones down, go back through and set them up.


We had cones, dirt, and stop-watches and that was all we needed!!

From a spectator's point of view, it was another story. The stands started to fill up before the SS-stage, but most of the people left before the pros showed up after 6:00 PM.

FWIW: here's a suggestion for next year's Prescott Forest Rally. Start out with the Super Special Stage, maybe run a couple of them if you can. Give the crowd an evening's entertainment. Then, have the rally (and the rallycross) run over the next two days, following that. That way, you start off with a full complement of cars all in the right place at the right time.

Let me know what I can do to help.

-Red

[Edit/PS: Verify the times with the SCCA guys before making any awards. I don't want to steel Simon's award. Of course, if we can't produce a time card for that 1 min flat, I'll take what I can get LOL! If it's not official, it don't count! ]

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Old 10-02-2000, 08:41 AM   #13
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That WAS a blast. Big thanks to Bill for setting this up. I only wish more people could have gone/entered to show that there is interest in this. The course ruled with three turns driven best in first opening up to a straight where I hit 40/45 followed by a great s-turn leading into a sweeper into a small jump into the last 2 hairpins that were very soft and slippery (handbrake).

I haven't done an autocross, but this seems even better. LOTS of drifting and flailing the back end out in the turns without trashing the tires. I am NEVER driving a FWD car again. I've only had the car for a month and haven't really pushed it to see what it can do until this event. Theses cars rule! I only wish I wasn't so worried about hurting it on the rougher sections. The irony of driving a 18,000+ car that rocks in the dirt. For everyone who complains about the lack of power in a straight line, try the dirt out, you won't care any more.

Simon, Red and XT6 (I knew I saw posts here from a guy with a SHO) were definitely going for it. I saw at lest a foot of air below the SHO's front wheels over the small jump. Simon looked like his other car was a Impreza WRC and his real name was Burns. He had it pretty dialed. Red improved all day getting faster and faster. How much time did you knock of your first runs?

The most entertaining was a group of guys in a RENTAL NEON. 2 or 3 flats and they almost rolled it once.

Was that you, Bill, that stopped by in the morning and talked to my wife? She said someone who was part of the event talked to her and wanted to take a run with me. I had the blue ridge pearl RS. Also, who remembers the guys website from Nevada that did the times? I want to thank them as well. Enough for now, later.
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Old 10-02-2000, 10:31 AM   #14
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Thanks for all the scoop... I have a few awards to give out, those who participated please e-mail me with your time. I'll confirm it with the Vegas guys and get them out. I appreciate the support from this board. Next year at Prescott will be a much better event, as it will be the grand finale of the RallycrossUSA season (more on that in a few weeks)
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Old 10-02-2000, 10:56 AM   #15
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Red-Imp, You forget this wasn't a points
event. It was for fun. A big fun run.

No first place, no second place.

The point was to go out and have FUN.
I needed the practice.
Now i know that steel rims aren't
a durable as alloy and will adjust
accordingly.

If you want to come to a real points
event, I invite you to the Rally-x in
Jean, NV Oct. 15th. The CRS rally
championship is closing up, so everyone
need points and it's a close race between
Leon Styles, Doug Robinson, and Tony Chavez.

It will be very exciting.

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Old 10-03-2000, 12:21 AM   #16
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Yeah, I know. But, for some stupid reason it was twice as much fun when I thought I'd won. I'm assuming that Bill isn't going to spend any real time or money on prizes. Hey, win/loose... I'm still grinning today.

I still say I if the SCCA guys don't have the time slip then my run was fastest .

( Ha ha ha... just foolin' around. I'm pretty sure the SCCA guys only kept the last set of time cards and your 1 min flat run probably wasn't on that card. You can stomp my butt at the next rallycross. )

BTW: What trouble did you have with the steel rims? I was thinking of picking up a set with some used rally tires for rallycrossing. I may re-think that if there are problems with them. I know you were leaking pressure, but why?

We're planning a meet in Sedona on Oct 15th, so I can't make it to the CRS event. But, thanks for the invite. I want to get more involved in both CRS and Vegas rallycrossing, but my time is pretty limited. Do you guys post pics and results?

-Red

(Hmmm... must spend more money bribing officials next time. Apparently, water alone doesn't do it.)
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Old 10-02-2000, 04:56 PM   #17
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Was the minute flat time when they were doing the times in greek? my first 3 runs were timed like that.

Anyhoo, I have the speeding ticket on the way back to remind me of my driving skills, so awards are not critical. Also lets let the poor guys from Las Vegas have a little time before bothering them.
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Old 10-02-2000, 05:35 PM   #18
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The guys from Vegas don't get much rest. They've got another Rally-X comming up on the 15th.

#522,

You're right, that course rocked once we ran the other way. I stayed in first through all the switchbacks (the first three and the two in the soft stuff). I think I was over 50 in that big sweeper. I got gutsy towards the end when I started setting top times.

I couldn't decipher my times from the first couple of runs (unless my first run was 1.99 minutes, in which case I shaved nearly a minute off of my time from first to last). I do remember an early time of 1 min, 13 s and change.

I really needed a chance to run a course repeatedly. I've only done one autocross. I just didn't get the feel of throwing the rear-end around a corner on pavement. I finally worked it out on the dirt. I'm really looking forward to the autocross this weekend.

BTW: I really like the look of that BRP sedan. I think you sold one to a friend of mine. His wife taped a whole run of yours, saying "if that's the color you're getting, I like it."

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Old 10-02-2000, 08:32 PM   #19
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Yo Red, it was me with Aaron. We didn't run cause we are wimps. I just couldn't imagine doing that to my car. Now, if I had the chance, I would have run a few laps in Aaron's car....

I know he's gonna kill me for that... Oh well. I'm glad that everyone had a good time.
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Kastle,

LOL! At least you're honest. Aaron tried to make up some story about not being prepared.

I don't think it was too hard on the car. The worst part was in the morning when we were running counterclockwise. If you went wide on the first turn that was out of sight there was a dip followed by a sudden "yump." I'm pretty sure I hit the bump-stop on my right front on that one. After that I stayed inside on that turn until we went the other way. The other direction the course was fine (and some faster).

I think I did more damage (mostly to the paint) romping down the dirt/gravel road trying to follow that speedvision guy. OMG was he flying. I thought he was going to roll that minivan. My wife had one hand on the oh-***** handle and the other over her eyes the whole way.

I kinda' have to do this to my car. It's part of why I bought it. The car is just so versatile that I have to use it to it's fullest. I can drag race on Friday night, rallycross on Saturday, and autocross on Sunday. Then all I need to do is wash it Sunday night and drive it to work on Monday and grin at the marketing yahoos as they talk smack about their M3's.

It's what keeps me going these days.

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Old 10-03-2000, 08:36 AM   #21
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50? Man, I was way too timid in that turn. I had visions of blowing my right front tire hitting it that fast while sliding sideways.

Thanks for the compliment about my car. Was this the same friend that got the OK from his wife to get the WRX when it gets here? It may not be possible, but is there anyway I could check out/buy a copy of my run? I have no idea what I looked like out there and would be interested in seeing what I need to do better. I can already think of a few things... Back to work.
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Old 10-04-2000, 12:12 AM   #22
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I'm pretty sure I was red-lining it in 2nd on my way into that big sweeper. That should put me right about 50 MPH. Then I'd just let up a little (and tap the break), flip it sideways and gun it again. Then presto! four-wheel drift! Wooo... hooo...! Of course, it took me 10-15 runs to work up to that.

I'm going to try to capture some of that video on my PC. If I'm successful, I'll post what I have of your run. It was my buddy Curt's (Turbo4me) wife who taped it. There's really not much there, they were mostly taping me. Keep an eye out for more Prescott Rallycross posts.

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http://www.cwl.com/rally/news/

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Old 10-04-2000, 11:55 AM   #24
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Thanks again to you and Scott and Jeff for hosting this. I'm still grinning today!



-Bud

Hmmmm... now let's see if I can apply any of what I learned at the rally-x at the auto-x this weekend.
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Bud,

lookin for sponsors for the RallyX season, what are the good aftermarket shops around Phx?
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