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Old 09-30-2000, 12:27 AM   #1
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Angry Arrrggghhh! Cars & cyclists

Why do most car drivers think that they own the road and that anyone that's on the road and not in car should be just run over or side swiped??!!! This is the third time in a month that a car has tried to hit me while bike riding. I ride on roads with little or no traffic (carroll county, maryland), always during the day, stay as far right as possible, and always in the direction of traffic. I obey all the traffic laws, yet for some reason the rednecks around here want to run cyclists down! A month ago a pickup truck came up behind me on a 2 lane road, honked the horn (I was already far to the right only 2 inches from people's lawns), then the guy comes up next me, swerves out, then at me, only missing me by a couple of inches, then roars off. Another guy (in a pickup) crossed a double yellow line and swerved at me wife and I from the other side of the road once. I've had numerous people come within inches of my handle bar (going at least 40 mph) since they refuse to move over even a little bit. And finally, last weekend I had a guy in a minivan come up behind me going at least 65-70 and lay on the horn as he approached, I looked back to see that this minivan was going to hit me! There was no shoulder and a guard rail on my right! My only saving grace was that I was just before the entrance to my driveway, but since I was going downhill about 20-25 mph I was in a bit of a problem - I needed to swing out some to make the 90 degree turn into the driveway at the speed I was going (there's a 15 ft opening in the guard rail for my drive), if I slowed down I would've been creamed against the guard rail by the minivan. So my only choice was to keep up the speed, lock up the rear wheel and slide into the driveway. I just made it as I felt a gust of wind from the van speeding past, however I was going way too fast for the turn in so I had to lay the bike down and slide along the pavement instead of hitting one of the trees at the side of the drive (the word of the day is roadrash). the van never stopped or slowed down - what an a**hole!!
Why can't people realize that they need to yield to pedestrians and cyclists on the roads? Why don;t they remember that there's a pedal next to the accelerator, putting their foot on it will slow the vehicle down. It's a simple concept.
I talked to the state police about this and if I ever get the plate number of that guy or the number of the next one that pulls a stunt like that they go to jail for assault with a deadly weapon.
If anybody has a friend that drives like the rednecks in Carroll County, Maryland let them know that sooner or later someone will get their tag number and the next fews years of their life will be spent talking with lawyers, most likely lose their job, and try not to get raped while in jail.
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Old 09-30-2000, 12:44 AM   #2
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I used to have this problem when I would ride to work. I started carrying broken porcilen in my pockets of my jersey. When they try and hit you, throw it at the windows...it'll leave lots of cracks in their winsheild. I've also kicked many doors and panels in...

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Old 09-29-2000, 01:00 PM   #3
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Agreed,
dumbass 'merican, redneck, fat-arsed, artery-clogged, ignorant, mudder-fukkers.

I get this all the time too. I know I shouldn't but I curse and throw stuff at them when possible hoping that they will stop so I can pummel thier lazy arse into the ground. Unfortunately, they know ther is nothing you can do them while they are in thier car so they never stop.

My friend (NYPD) rides with a Baretta 380 in his handlebar bag.

I once had some guy pull out in front of me making a left turn as I was coming down a hill at over 40mph. I braked to about 25 but he still clipped my back wheel and sent me over the bars. Fortunately I got a hand down and rolled (10+ years Ju-Jitsu and Kung Fu) sprung up and went after the guy. I was restrained by some witnesses. Maybe if these drivers suffer similar injuries to what they inflict, they will think twice about being arseholes.

Violence is just another form of conflict resolution.

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Old 09-29-2000, 01:39 PM   #4
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It seems counterintuitive but you'd do better if you rode in the left part of the lane. The Motorcycle safety foundation teaches this. When you're way over on the right, people (even the non-malicious ones) think they can squeeze between you and the center line even with traffic comin toward them. If you're on the left, they have to pass as they would a car. I understand your feelings though, it happened to me often enough that I finally quit riding. I just felt I'd used up all my luck and some bozo in a 4 wheeled vehicle wa gonna get me killed.
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Old 09-29-2000, 01:44 PM   #5
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this is why I ride a mountain bike
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Old 09-29-2000, 01:52 PM   #6
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You'll never be able to get rid of idiot drivers, so I just MT Bike. I feel like I have more control of my surroundings and I don't have to breath exhaust except for the occasional dirt bike exhaust! We need more MT Bikers, trade in your road bikes. Glad your ok though, be careful out there.
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Old 09-29-2000, 01:54 PM   #7
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Maybe it's just where I live, but EVERY biker I see runs red lights, rides on the sideWALK, rides in the crossWALK, and 90% of the time, rides on the incorrect side of the road. I had a guy riding towards me the wrong way in the left lane of a 2 lane road.... I didn't move at all and laid on my horn and he just gave me a cheesy grin and moved over a bit. Last night there was some idiot riding the wrong way on the line between two lanes (both of which were ones that went the opposite direction he was riding) - at 10:30 PM with no streetlights around!

Haven't seen a single biker obeying the laws of traffic in months......

I have a feeling this makes the automobile drivers a little less empithatic towards bikers...
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Old 09-29-2000, 02:10 PM   #8
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The distinction is that the motorist can easily kill the cyclist while the opposite is not true.

As for imbecile motorists, when in the last ten years did turn signals become optional? and get that phone out of your ear before I stick it in your a$$. Drivers don't appreciate the fact that it is perhaps the only thing they do in the course of thier day that can result in death. Most people take driving way to lightly. Unfortunately it will probrably not be thier own life they take when they fuk up.

I mountain bike also, its not the same as being on a road bike and falling into a zen-like state just listening to your own breathing and feeling your thighs gently brushing your belley as you inhale. No chain noise, no tire noise, no bumping, no bouncing , just breathe in...... breathe out.

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BTW When you say the wrong way, you mean against the flow traffic, right?



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Old 09-29-2000, 02:14 PM   #9
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Years ago I had one woman cross four lanes and try to hit me. I quit riding on the road after that.

Big Tee, riding a motorcycle in the tire tracks of the left wheel is a good idea. Riding a bicycle in the left wheel tire tracks is a bad idea. A motorcycle can and will travel at the speed of traffic. A bicyclist has a hard time keeping up that kind of speed. Also, many bicycles are very narrow and lack the proper headlights, taillights, and turn signals. They might get run over more often in the left hand tire track.

Recently a friend of mine finally sold his bicycle and got a mountain bike. Too many people fail to yield to bicycles, crowd them, force them off the road, or failing all that simply run over them.

I hate to say it, but its not any better in SC vinman. Be careful and stay alert. They are trying to kill you out there.
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Old 09-29-2000, 02:20 PM   #10
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AccidenT, it must be where you live. Everywhere else, I have a hard time finding any motorists who obey traffic laws.

Vinman, third time in a month? I ride 15 miles a day on my bike ride, and it's a good day when less than three people try for my life.

Two seconds of a motorists time to let me pass by a driveway or through an intersection (who's most likely sitting on their ass, in AC'ed comfort) always seems to be worth more than my life. That's BS.

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Old 09-29-2000, 02:24 PM   #11
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When I used to courier in Boston this was a major problem. Just about all the guys I knew on bikes sliced open the tips of their riding shoes (usually Nike ACG hiking boots) and inserted lead. Someone comes to close, let out the boot and leave a mark. Worked for me.

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Old 09-29-2000, 02:49 PM   #12
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I never saw such crappy drivers until I moved to AZ. People never use their signal and never look before they make turns to see if anyone is in the way on a bike or on foot. I have been in at least 10 near misses myself, most of which involve intersections and driveways. Wether or not the cyclist is following the rules, the cars will always win when it comes to contact. My only advice is stay defensive, and when crossing the path of a car, make eye contact or go behind them. I haven't had anyone purposely go for me, so you're on your own there.
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Old 09-29-2000, 05:14 PM   #13
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Amen, TR! Bikes belong in the woods!

I ride and race mountain bikes alot and when there are times that I won't be able to ride in the evenings after work, I ride to work. Cripes! I'm better off doing 10 foot drops in the woods. Most drivers are idiots when it comes to understanding that cyclists belong there too. Perhaps even more than they do.

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Old 09-29-2000, 05:23 PM   #14
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I don't ride a bike around here, but I've never seen anyone have a problem getting around a bike safely, and I've never seen someone not slow down to 2 miles per hour until opposing traffic passes before they go around. Must be a suburb thing...
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Old 09-29-2000, 06:27 PM   #15
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I find that caltrops make a nice "point" to the a-holio drivers.

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Old 09-29-2000, 06:51 PM   #16
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AccidenT, you're not the only one. I don't think I've EVER, and I mean E-V-E-R, seen someone riding a bike actually stop for a stop sign. I'm perfectly happy to give cyclists all the courtesy in the world on the road, because I know by law that they are allowed to be there. I also know by law that cyclists are required to obey traffic laws just like they were in a car, and it just doesn't happen. I've watched them breeze through stop signs without slowing, skirt around red lights (without stopping, turn right on red, immediately zip across the road, and then turn right on green), ride on the wrong side of the road (occasionally - not nearly as frequent as the morons who WALK with traffic rather than against it), never use hand signals to show their intentions, etc.

With all that said, the episodes that were related in the original post were absolutely criminal. It sounds like a number of you cyclists have run into similar situations - that's unbelievable. Some people are just plain old sick.

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Old 09-29-2000, 11:36 PM   #17
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Well, I've had to live through a bicycle-vehicular collision. I was on the bicycle, and my elbow was fractured! Not a good thing. I ride my bike like I drive my car - defensively. When the situation dictates, I ride more to the left if possible (ie riding along parked cars where someone may give you a "door prize" at any moment).

If I'm driving in the right hand lane, and there is a cyclist in front of me, I always pull around the cyclist as if they were another vehicle in that lane. I always check my rearview/side views when I pass them -- especially if I'm stopped at a lite, because amost 90% of the time the cyclist will catch up to traffic at the light and some unobservant driver is going to pull into their lane and hit them -- that's sorta what happened to me.

Anywayz, I've got a pin in my elbow and a lovely scar with staple marks to show what an idiot driving on the wrong side of the road can do to a cyclist. Not fun.

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Old 09-29-2000, 11:58 PM   #18
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The drivers are so bad here that no one dares to ride in the street, unless its 5 AM(the streets are DEAD at that time). We all ride on the sidewalk. The cops have no problem with it at all because they see how stupid some of these retards are. Its unfortunate, but it is a fact.

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Old 09-30-2000, 07:12 AM   #19
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Here in Baltimore, things are marginally better, in that maybe 70% of drivers (in my part of town, NEway) understand bikes belong there. Amazingly, one of the "humor" writers for the paper did a peice on how he wanted to kill acyclist who, by riding in the street instead of the sidewalk, was delaying the flow of traffic . Unbelievable. You should have seen the letters to the editor on THAT one.
My wife and I have still had a couple of brushes. We find that being in shape and keeping up with traffic is safer (this is in an urban environment with a lot of lights). Still, we prefer to stick to the single track .

Now for bikers. There are some riders out there ruining it for the rest of us, and they fall into two camps: the clueless and the callous. THe clueless are usually on cheapo bikes that they don't know how to shift, that may be the wrong size, riding without helmets at about 3 miles per hour, and not paying any attention to what is around them. Often found going the wrong way wearing cheesy grins, riding 2 or three abreast with friends, and weaving lazily from the shoulder into traffic and back.
The callous ones are in shape, but don't care about traffic laws. Again, helmets seem optional, but now they are running lights, running stops, failing to communicate with drivers with hand signals (well, with the exception of one). I actually pulled over once a bawled this girl out- I was in a left turn lane, going left, the light just turned green. Instead of taking the lane and turning with traffic, she threaded in between the turn lane and the through lane and appeared ON MY LEFT as I am turning left. Scared the hell out of me 'cause I almost hit her. I was steamed. Told her I am all for bikes on the roads, but that kind of crass riding is going to leave a lasting impression on some other less understanding driver, and is a hell of a stupid stunt to pull without a helmet. She couldn't have cared less.
So be safe, have fun, and don't give motorists an excuse to hate cylists.
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Old 10-01-2000, 12:15 AM   #20
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vinman and Tim K my apologies I am just too brain dead to have realized that the bike in question was a bicycle. Sorry.
vinman keep your head on a swivel, good luck!
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Old 09-30-2000, 11:45 PM   #21
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Bikes are fine, just not when theres a bike lane and an Idiot biker is riding in the middle of a Car lane...

Had that happen to me the other day, he WOULD NOT go into the bike lane, so I had to *cough* push him into it (didnt hit him, just accelerated very fast around him scaring the **** out of him). I do that to really slow drivers as well.

BTW, I'm looking for a license plate frame that says "Get out of my way... OR DIE!" j/k
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Old 09-30-2000, 11:50 PM   #22
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Last I heard, really slow drivers were encased in a few thousand pounds of steel, plastic, and glass, wearing seatbelts, and protected by a good deal of safety technology. A bicycle rider has a helmet, clothes, and some skin. OK, now, do you think it's reasonable to assume that treating the two the same way is fair?

Next time you just want to 'scare' a cyclist, USE YOUR HORN -- they'll notice, and probably move. Of course, there is also something known as patience.

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Old 10-01-2000, 12:19 AM   #23
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My Exhast is my horn.
And never has a SUV nor a Civic intimidated me, no matter how much mass is involved. And if it was a decent driver, he wouldnt be driving slow and totally scared like some people do, which you can make them swerve out of the way no-matter what size car they drive (Ever been behind someone when the break hard and swerve for a piece of cardboard? These are the people I'm talking about)

For some reason I never use my horn. I dont know why... Maybe its cause I dont want to attract attention from anyone else besides that car. I only use it when someone is not going for a green light (I give them 5 seconds exactly, count with my fingers above the steering wheel ) or when I actually think of it during a Emergency (which I usually just get out of the way). Oh, and my cousin put some Air-horns on his '97 240 and loves to use them just for the heck of it! (you should hear em, there great)

As you can see, Im agressive... but I dont look it or drive "wreckless" (ie swerving, lots of lane changing, etc.) just fast and fun
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Old 10-01-2000, 05:16 PM   #24
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I know I should stick to riding in the trails. I normally mountain bike but with all the rain here lately I was trying to be ecologically friendly and with a busy schedule I don't always have time to get to the trails.
Hey BigTee - my head on a swivel? I like that, I think it'll come in real handy.
As for kicking people's cars while they pass, I'm not sure that's a good idea because they may just stop, run me over, THEN get out of the car.
I think the Maryland suburbs need a critical mass event like they do in CA every year, a peaceful critical mass event that is.
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I have lived and cycled here in Florida all my life and as you may well expect, have paid the price several times in the forms of near misses, one actual collision, literally thousands of verbal exchanges on differing points of view about who belongs on the road, several pounds of thrown objects including batteries up to and including lantern batteries, cheeseburgers, beer, soda, and other cans and ,I think, a serving of haggis. The best part is that I am a Florida Highway Patrol Officer . One of my favorite events happened not too long ago. I was coming home from a ride when two of our brighter Florida youths decided to hurl their leftover fast food at me. They missed and laughed all the way to the red light at the end of the road. The driver was still laughing when I pulled up to the light. He looked over at me and was about to say something witty when I pulled out my credentials and told him that I had already phoned the Sheriff's Office and that throwing deadly missles and assault on a law enforcement officer would cost him his license . In other words, he had a bad afternoon. That one still makes me smile. I would recommend that every cyclist carry a cell phone and note pad/pen with them on rides. Logging plate numbers and making quick notation of vehicle descriptions along with filing a complaint does lead to arrests.
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