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Old 01-11-2004, 12:11 PM   #1
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Unhappy Broken Subzero

During an evolution school yesterday, the instructor noticed a vibration when I turned left. It felt like the front tire was slipping but didn't make the same noise turning right. Checking it out, we discovered that one of the spokes had separated from the right front rim.
Bought 'em almost 2 years ago, and I think they have around 14 autoX on them (half on race tires). I don't think they're under warranty, and I have put a fair amount of stress on them, but I expected a little more from them. I've been reminded again that you get what you pay for.

This is really just a heads-up for those who autox/hpde with them;check those rims before and after. When I heard about the breakage problems in 2002, I checked and these aren't from the 'bad' casting lot.
I rotate the rims every event and flipped the tires a few months ago, so there's no question of getting a single replacement as they've all been equally stressed.
I'll talk to Cosmic monday to let them know what happened.
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Old 01-11-2004, 02:15 PM   #2
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Definitely get in touch with Cosmic. Just be polite, and explain your situation, I wouldn't be surprised if they hook you up with a new set. Their customer service was outstanding when I cracked one of mine (they were part of that bad batch). Send some pics if you can. Always helps.

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Old 01-11-2004, 11:54 PM   #3
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Just be polite...
the key to many things in life...
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Old 01-12-2004, 12:19 AM   #4
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call kim at 510.378.1726

if you have a hard time getting a hold of him call me 510.378.6436

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Old 01-12-2004, 03:50 AM   #5
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gdog,

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Old 01-12-2004, 04:28 AM   #6
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Rota has ALWAYS proven to offer excellent customer service. That's why my next set of wheels is gonna be another set of Rotas...

I love my Tarmac's - they have been a very good wheel for me and the price I got from Suby Dude was just _unbeatable_!!
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Old 01-12-2004, 07:58 AM   #7
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gdog,

sent you a PM
Check out this customer service!
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Old 01-12-2004, 10:19 AM   #8
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gdog,

sent you a PM
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call kim at 510.378.1726

if you have a hard time getting a hold of him call me 510.378.6436

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Rota stands behind their product like no other vendor I have delt with. (but I never had any problems with my subzeros)
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Old 01-12-2004, 07:36 PM   #9
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Kim did indeed send me a PM. We spoke, and it looks like things'll be worked out. I won't be able to run this w/e, but they could've just told me to take a hike.
Top notch.
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Old 01-12-2004, 08:07 PM   #10
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Wow, that is weak. Were you planning on attending the National Tour Autocross the weekend after next? I am coming over and co-driving an STS civic. I am glad I heard about this since I am getting ready to sell my crx and start running my wrx in STX. I was planning on getting a set of 17" rota subzeros (I currently have 16" slipstreams), now I am not so sure.
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Old 01-13-2004, 12:23 PM   #11
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I would stick with the Slipstreams unless you are installing BBK. The Slipstreams are bulletproof and 3 lbs lighter. I own both the Slipstreams and the Subzeroes. The Subzeroes have been on for over a year, 12+ autoX in STX with S03s and have had no problems. Still, I figured just to play it safe I would get a set of the Slipstreams. Never heard ANYone complain about the strength of that wheel.

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Wow, that is weak. Were you planning on attending the National Tour Autocross the weekend after next? I am coming over and co-driving an STS civic. I am glad I heard about this since I am getting ready to sell my crx and start running my wrx in STX. I was planning on getting a set of 17" rota subzeros (I currently have 16" slipstreams), now I am not so sure.
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Old 01-13-2004, 09:10 PM   #12
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Consider for a bit though that about... how many? people have Slipstreams and everyone on the block has Subzeros, TubeDriver.

Things skew easily. You hear about the few Subzero breaks because BAJILLION people have them.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:26 PM   #13
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well there are a guadzillion slipstreams being used on the street and on the track by the Honda/Acura crowd and pretty much everyone thinks they are bulletproof. I think the Subzeroes are a great wheel, Rota provides great customer service and I have not had problems with mine. On the other hand, the Slipstreams just appear a lot stronger, I mean take a look at the thin spokes on the Subzeroes and the much thicker spokes on the Slipstream. Another reason I went with the Slipstreams is the lower weight, the 16x7 weign about 13 lbs and also I can get a lighter 16" tire than the 17"s I was using on my Subzeroes.

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Consider for a bit though that about... how many? people have Slipstreams and everyone on the block has Subzeros, TubeDriver.

Things skew easily. You hear about the few Subzero breaks because BAJILLION people have them.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:44 PM   #14
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Glad I got my VOLKS!!
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:59 PM   #15
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Glad I got my VOLKS!!
Not everyone can afford them... Although the TE-37 is pretty much my most favorite wheel ever. *sigh*

Pics of the subzero would be really cool.
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Old 01-14-2004, 07:04 AM   #16
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Glad I got my VOLKS!!
glad i bought my BMW F1 Race car

Rota kicks ass. I will be buying a set for my miata when i pick it up. I have never seen customer service this good.
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:58 AM   #17
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I like Volks design/looks but don't belive in buying wheels that are not hubcentric. Volks like many other wheels are universal fit (generic bolt patterns and offsets with a large center bore and some adaptor rings). Some people claim it's no big difference but you will not find an OEM wheel that is not hubcentric. It minimizes the possibity of problems. Too bad not many people make a hubcentric wheel for either one of my cars and I am not really ready to drop 4k on a set of hubcentric Kenesis wheels.

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Old 01-14-2004, 01:52 PM   #18
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Glad I got my VOLKS!!
Want to buy another set?
...for what they cost me, I could have gotten 3 sets of good wheel/tires.
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Old 01-14-2004, 04:05 PM   #19
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...Pics of the subzero would be really cool.
If you're talking about my broken one, I don't have an easy way to post the pic. Plus the one I took didn't come out overly good. It looks like a slightly-irregular crack going across the base of the spoke, but it extends to all 4 sides. Nothing dramatic looking.

btw-these were the early non-hubcentric release
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Old 01-14-2004, 05:57 PM   #20
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They were most likely from the "bad batch". The one I cracked was also an early, non-hubcentric.
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Old 01-14-2004, 08:16 PM   #21
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The slipstreams are absolutely huge in the H/A crowd.

Why not try the SDR's? I travel gravel roads filled with potholes on a daily basis and mine still look like the day I bought them. That is seriously strong...
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Old 01-15-2004, 12:32 AM   #22
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?! Wait, but he said... ?

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When I heard about the breakage problems in 2002, I checked and these aren't from the 'bad' casting lot.
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Old 01-15-2004, 01:45 AM   #23
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I have noticed on mine a while back that I had to rebalence my tires and I noticed they took a lot more wieght even beofre and still have really balanced out? I havn't seen any cracks on mine but it has worried me since that you said you felt a vibration. mine are about 6 months or so old and now I'm worried about mine. I don't autocross on mine, there just my street rims but I still push my car on the street sometimes, but never like i would at a autoX

Do you think I could get my rims replaced? This is starting to scare me to even ride on them now.
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Old 01-15-2004, 01:46 AM   #24
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Also how do you tell if they were from the bad batch?
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Old 01-15-2004, 01:54 AM   #25
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Also i would like to say that I didn't even thinking of looking to see if mine had cracked. And also in the searrch to balnce them out I tried another tire brand and turn the tires aroudn the rima nd the balancing is still outta wack. When I balance them it just wants more weights. Some of them now have about 5-12 oz in weight to get them somewhat balanced. When i first got them it only took about 0-2 oz at most.
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