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Old 04-17-2004, 12:06 PM   #1
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Question Silverstone Motorsports???

Anyone heard of these guys???

They're the local Haltek dealer and I have never heard of them before. They look kind of small time???

http://www.silverstonmotorsports.com/
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:15 PM   #2
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Mark, they have been around for a long time an I know they focus on Toyota and Honda. Raymond (the owner) is supposed to be a pretty good guy to deal with, just make sure you talk to him in person as from what I hear he is tough to understand on the phone.

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Old 04-17-2004, 04:34 PM   #3
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Yes Mark, Raymond is the owner/operator of Silverstone Auto. He finally has a web site up b/c he is the only autorized Skyline dealer in Canada. The only other authorized Skyline dealer in North America is MotorRex, in California, but thier cars must remain in the US. The Skyline, being a Nissan, is not his specialty. So now our shops are working even closer together on high performance applications.
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Old 04-17-2004, 06:07 PM   #4
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you can order skylines through him?!?!?!!


ummm why didn't anyone tell me this! come on people this is important info..... uh oh i'm gonna have to look into this.
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Old 04-17-2004, 07:12 PM   #5
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No. You cannot "order" Skylines through him. Just like MotorRex. He finds one in Japan that is to his liking, buys it, brings it here & sells it to "qualified" buyers here. The process is actually more complicated than that but essentially if you want one, you tell him. He finds one HE likes & you pay, whatever the cost. No different than MotoRex. It protects the buyer (Silverstone) & the seller (in Japan) from fraud. If a buyer here defaults on payment, it then becomes a fraud case prosectuted & punished under federal law. The feds don't joke or take lightly this sort of thing.

If ppl genuinely belived & honoured a handshake, this sort of thing would be unneccessary.
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Old 04-17-2004, 09:35 PM   #6
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you can order skylines through him?!?!?!!


ummm why didn't anyone tell me this! come on people this is important info..... uh oh i'm gonna have to look into this.
Sean,

if you want to import a skyline there are other CHEAPER ways of doing it..... www.importconcern.ca/ will help you find the car and then have it imported when it becomes LEGAL. R32 Skylines are NOT yet legal, however there are about three ILLEGAL ones in Edmonton roght now. These were NOT brought in by any of the LEGAL importers in Edmonton or Calgary. The GTR at Silverstone is ONE of the ILLEGAL GTR's. Dont let anyone tell you that it is LEGAL because it's NOT!!!

if you have anymore questions just PM me!!

btw- see my car under my name to the left!! I have been bidding on GTR's for a while here....I have also ordered my lic plate already!!!! also check out www.gtrcanada.com ....there is lot of info there but dont come to bs around because it is NOT tollerated!!

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Old 04-17-2004, 10:17 PM   #7
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Breath Steve.....in with the good air.....out with the bad.......

Illegal imports is a very touchy subject with Steve........tread very lightly there.............
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:22 PM   #8
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Breath Steve.....in with the good air.....out with the bad.......

Illegal imports is a very touchy subject with Steve........tread very lightly there.............
its not just me its everyone at GTRC and all the informed people on 780tuners!!

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Old 04-18-2004, 07:29 AM   #9
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Sorry to disagree w/ you Steve, there are very few properly informed ppl at 780tuners. I am not claiming to be one of them, but I hear more BS than truth over there.

PM'd you.

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you can get a newer skyline into canada legally....

for ex.. moto rex imports a car in for an american customer.. american customer lives in states for a while then decides hes gonna move to canada... his car will make it through customs because he is just moving with it.. not selling it or anything...
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Old 04-18-2004, 01:58 PM   #11
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yes, but said customer must have the car registered for at least one year before being aloowed to register it here. That is after passing transport Canada's inspection. Actually, that goes for any imported car. As long as you have it registered in your name in another country as your "primary" means of transportation, you may bring it here with you. Same thing, have to pass inspection. I have been looking into it for a 22B.
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Old 04-18-2004, 07:51 PM   #12
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Sorry to disagree w/ you Steve, there are very few properly informed ppl at 780tuners. I am not claiming to be one of them, but I hear more BS than truth over there.

PM'd you.
well I guess we both disagree with eachother........there are NO legal nissan authorized importers out there......less than 15yr old cars maybe brought into Canada but when they are brought in the documents are falsifyed to show that the car is 15yrs old. There are NO exceptions to this rule!!! Ray at Silverstone brought that GTR in ILLEGALLY no if's and's or but's.

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Old 04-18-2004, 09:21 PM   #13
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Does the US go by the same 15 years as canada?
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Old 04-18-2004, 09:59 PM   #14
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This thread was posted in another forum...

But there is no monopoly in importing cars into Canada. Whoever states that is full of BS.

The only way to import cars from outside canada (outside of the authorized US cars list into canada) is the 15 year exemption law.

There are no loopholes, there are no other legal ways of bringing them in, except through the 15 year excemption law.

The US does not have a 15 year import law, their's is 25 years.

The only other way to bring them into the US is spend money to crash test 9 cars, and get them all certified to meet US regulations.

As of right now Motorex is the only autorized dealer by the US to import Skylines from Japan into the US, because they spent the money to crash test and certify their cars. Which is why they cost so much because they must go through modifications to meet US standards. They don't have a monopoly, it's just no one else has entered the market

PS if you're taking about the dude who was bringing in newer GTRs MR2s and Z32s in to Canada, he marked them down as being 1988 cars...I seriously hope that guy gets screwed over, I feel sorry for his customers, but their cars will be crushed.

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Old 04-18-2004, 10:05 PM   #15
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yes, but said customer must have the car registered for at least one year before being aloowed to register it here. That is after passing transport Canada's inspection. Actually, that goes for any imported car. As long as you have it registered in your name in another country as your "primary" means of transportation, you may bring it here with you. Same thing, have to pass inspection. I have been looking into it for a 22B.
Incorrect. You are wrong about that, There is no way you can get a GTR into canada legally cept through the 15 year import law.

Even if you had the registration down in the US, Canada has a set list of cars that are allowed to be imported from the US, anything outside of that will never be allowed, cept with the 15 year excepmtion law.

There are many of us that have looked into it, and they will let it in, but only for a short period of time before you HAVE to get a diffrent car, and they will export that car back to wherever it came from, so you can sell it.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:32 PM   #16
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I encourage anybody who doubts the legality of Silverstone's GTR to check it out for themselves. He brought the car here in March I believe. The production date stamped on the car inside B -pillar says it was produced "JAN XX 1989". On that same tag the VIN # stamping matches the stamping on the firewall, in the trunk & the underside of the chassis. I believe there is also record of the original sales receipt to the first owner from a Nissan dealership, all title transfer papers & all 15 years of registration receipts. I don't see how it can be called illegal. It's over 15 years old w/ a clean history. Maybe I'm missing something.

BTW, does anybody really care whether a car is illegal or not. There are thousands of cars on the roads that are illegal, not to mention unregistered or uninsured. Sorry my friend, the only ppl I see complaining are those that wish they had one but don't. I wish I had an EVO3 RS to rally, but I don't. There are some Canadians that do & even rally them. Remember that a rally car has to be completely road legal to participate. I am not complaining that those cars should not be allowed b/c I don't have one.

For those that are lucky enough to own one - I say, "Good on them." It's not like the resources they have are not available to me too. They must want it more than me. Fact of the matter is that if you want something bad enough, you find a way to get it. That's true for most of life. I appreciate what I have, not what I don't. That doesn't mean I don't dream. I am done here.

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there are no other legal ways of bringing them in, except through the 15 year excemption law.
Then can you explain the 90's Renaults, Peugots, & Fiats & have seen in Canada. None of those cars are here legally either I suppose.
You need to read the RC-4140 document ALOT closer: Exceptions
Taking into account both customs and Transport Canada requirements, in most cases, you can import a vehicle into Canada on the condition that the vehicle is designed, manufactured, tested, and certified to meet the Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards OR the United States Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, bears a statement of compliance label affixed by the original manufacturer, has not been altered, and the certification from the original manufacturer is still on the vehicle...
B/c MotorRex has done the federal crash testing for the US, it makes Skylines LEGAL here, provided that the same modifications for successful crash testing are also done to the imported car.

FYI, the black '88 Z32 that was sold in Edmonton was, in fact, an Aug. 88 production Z32 (all VIN # stampings matching). 2004-1988=16. Seems legal enough to me, even under your definition. As for the guy importing them, I don't even like hearing that he is still around.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/.../rc4140-e.html

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Exactly, those cars are illegal.

Customs doesn't check the vin, they go by what the papers state. If this is the same guy we're talking about, he brought them in by stating they were 1988 models on the registration papers.

Who cares about legality, I for one do, Customs is acctually gonna start cracking down, and if they see alot of people cheating the system, the might make it even harder or stop allowing the importation of these cars into Canada.

I don't know about you, but I am ready to get one this time next year.

The only people who think like you are impaitent, or think you won't get caught.

People who think like me, want to do it legally, have the funds, and will get it done properly.
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I am not going to get into a pissing war w/ anyone. I don't know what your circumstances are & you don't know mine. If I want one by the end of the week, I can make it happen. And if you think that the budget for Customs will allow them to expand their duties any further, you are dreaming. Canadian customs already has it's hands full w/ trying to keep up w/ the US' rediculous allegations hold-ups & confusion that a handful of cars that are safe enough for road use but here illegally is not a priority. Where do you think they are going to get extra resources for tracking down & destroying illegal vehicles, let alone to fight the inevitable law suits that will arise from them. It's a program that sounds good if it could happen (which I hope does) but in reality is far less likely to ever get off the ground. This same kind of scenario happened in the 70's & 80's w/ US specific model cars, before the FTA. They couldn't keep up then w/ more resources & public support, what makes you think that it will happen now w/ more stringent budgets & more public apathy?

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Old 04-18-2004, 11:42 PM   #19
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damnianq that is all true that canadian customs is very busy but when they and other government agencies receive enough notification by people (like me ) they WILL do something about it and then bye bye skyline, idiot.
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I encourage anybody who doubts the legality of Silverstone's GTR to check it out for themselves. He brought the car here in March I believe. The production date stamped on the car inside B -pillar says it was produced "JAN XX 1989". On that same tag the VIN # stamping matches the stamping on the firewall, in the trunk & the underside of the chassis. I believe there is also record of the original sales receipt to the first owner from a Nissan dealership, all title transfer papers & all 15 years of registration receipts. I don't see how it can be called illegal. It's over 15 years old w/ a clean history. Maybe I'm missing something.
D,

the R32 GTR's were not produced until Aug 1989 so there is no way that the "Jan 1989" serial number is real. If they all match then someone did some creative welding and finished it to look like the car was actually built at that time. There are guys also falsifying the Japanese export documents to show that the car is 15 yrs old. So with those papers you show customs, they don't think anything of it and there you go!!!

oh BTW ALL the GTR's in edmonton I seriously question whether they are registered to a nissan skyline GTR. I know the truth!

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Just because you don't know and don't care about the laws, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

The Z32s the first production Z32 was made in 1989...so there's no such thing as a 1988 Z32.

He's also brought in a 1996 SW20 Saying it was a 1988 SW11.

Trust us, we are reporting it to customs, and customs is getting aware. When I see those cars crushed, I'll have no sympathy for the importer or the owners, their own fault for thinking they're above the law.

PS no...you should read the laws more...or go back to nursery so you can learn to read..oh wait...you probally arn't like me, and like most people didn't learn to read til grade 2...then go back to grade 2.

You will notice that Canada has a list of cars that are allowed to be brought in from the US. the skyline is NOT one of them. Before you argue, know your facts. IT only makes you look like the fool.

You can bring one over for off road use only, which means it can never be registered as a public street car, so it can never be driven down a public road or street...but that would be pointless now wouldn't it?

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the R32 GTR's were not produced until Aug 1989 so there is no way that the "Jan 1989" serial number is real. If they all match then someone did some creative welding and finished it to look like the car was actually built at that time. There are guys also falsifying the Japanese export documents to show that the car is 15 yrs old. So with those papers you show customs, they don't think anything of it and there you go!!!

oh BTW ALL the GTR's in edmonton I seriously question whether they are registered to a nissan skyline GTR. I know the truth!

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They are registered as Skyline GTRs...1988 ones...which never exsted...but that's how they were brought in. There was a guy on the 780tuners forums that admitted that who owns one of those GTRs...he knows it was brought in illegally, and he's scared to **** now because we're reporting those cars.
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They are registered as Skyline GTRs...1988 ones...which never exsted...but that's how they were brought in. There was a guy on the 780tuners forums that admitted that who owns one of those GTRs...he knows it was brought in illegally, and he's scared to **** now because we're reporting those cars.
my post was directed to damianq not you Daemos.....

I know...I am the "midget" on 780 and I am sure you know who I am on GTRC

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i personally don't agree with reporting them...

but as for if they get caught... its either they get crushed OR exported at owners expense.. with no refund of the gst or duty fees.
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I'm not even going to legitimaize Daemos & berzerkled infantile posts w/ a reply. They'll learn how the system really works when they grow up & get a dose of reailty.
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R32 GTR's were not produced until Aug 1989 so there is no way that the "Jan 1989" serial number is real.
Spt, I have no reason to doubt what you say. I know how you do your research & I must belive you. If the cars were modified to have matching numbers, it's the best damn job I have ever seen at making them look like factory jobs. Faded paint, factory -like pinch welds & all. I just don't see whay someone would go through all that effort to bring in a car. The costs of making such an authentic reproduction, just to have it registered, far outways the profitability fo bringing them over here for resale. It just doesn't make sense to me. Cool man.

BTW, I've been to Canada Customs Auctions before. All they do to "destroy" an illegal import is cut them in half. They do not crush them. The halves must be bought by different ppl from different parts of the country. They have auctions to offset costs that they are not being compensated for by the federal gov't (eg. re-po contracts). It IS a public auction.
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