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Old 06-06-2004, 11:54 PM   #1
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Default From a Roll: Stock WRX vs S2000 vs RSX-S

So I'm trying to prove a point here...my friend thinks since I don't drive a WRX I don't know **** about their power delivary...

I'm not ragging on the WRX here, but it's not exactly known for it's top end pull...but my buddy thinks top end pull means nothing when compared to low end pull and launch.

So from a roll from 30mph-40mph my buddy thinks it'll take BOTH the S2K and the RSX-S (and yes they are in vtec at these speeds) up til about 100 mph for the RSX-S and 90mph for the S2000... (I have no idea how you would measure that...since the cars will all accelerate diffrently, but I think he's saying from the WRX's driver's speedo POV)

So what do you guys think? I think from a roll...the WRX would lose pretty quickly...

PS I LOVE the WRX, just wanting to make sure I wasn't bashing it or anything, I'm acctually thinking of getting another one (but that'll be another post )
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:00 AM   #2
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WRX will definetely lose to the S2K.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:06 AM   #3
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I believe the S2K will have some difficulty beating you at the start. The RSX-S shouldnt be a problem, but the S2K will be a little tough to be at the top.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:07 AM   #4
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WRX will pull on the RSX Type S or not, but lose to the S2k, the S2k is all top end
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:09 AM   #5
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This is FROM A ROLL NOT FROM A STOP.

the RSX-S is all top end too...I'm not talking about a stop, from a stop with equal drivers I already know the results.

Because I know from a roll stock for stock a spec v would keep up with the WRX...

but would get it's ass handed to him by 3rd gear vtec pull yo.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:10 AM   #6
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S2K....WRX....then RSX
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:17 AM   #7
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I have a hard time seeing the RSX-S lose to a WRX from a roll...

the WRX's power drops dramatically after 6000 rpm, where the RSX will make plenty of power to redline.

@ 30-40mph the RSX-S is still making plenty of power in 2nd gear vtec (and that's where we're starting from right?)...by the time 3rd gear rolls....I think the RSX-S would pull away from the WRX.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:41 AM   #8
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Wish I ever got to race an RSX-S or S2K w/WRX in stock form...sux when your WRX rapes anything on the street that isn't blown....can't comment on scenarios like this.
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Old 06-07-2004, 01:28 AM   #9
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I have a hard time seeing the RSX-S lose to a WRX from a roll...

the WRX's power drops dramatically after 6000 rpm, where the RSX will make plenty of power to redline.

@ 30-40mph the RSX-S is still making plenty of power in 2nd gear vtec (and that's where we're starting from right?)...by the time 3rd gear rolls....I think the RSX-S would pull away from the WRX.
It really does not matter that the power drops after 6000rpms... If the wrx driver is smart enough, he will know not to run the engine to 7K rpms, and just shift early to stay in the powerband. If you decided to make a run whereby no shifting is allowed, then yes, the power drop-off after 6K rpms will come into play...

My prediction is that the WRX and RSX will be just about even (drivers race) from a roll. I am sure that if you race past 120mph, I reckon you will then pull.... But if you run to those speeds, please do it at a desolate area...
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Old 06-07-2004, 02:54 AM   #10
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some "v-tec pull yo"
civic si and an rsx-s from a roll... in my moms a6 2.7t with a passenger. we pulled on both of them from about 10 to 90.

on the track of course
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Old 06-07-2004, 02:56 AM   #11
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Raced an RSX-S from a roll when I was basically stock and he had i/e and I walked up until 110-120 then we shut it down. I personally assume he would have gained a little but he didn't. Just a related personal experience.
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:26 AM   #12
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My neighbor owns a rsx and I know I can walk from 30..........
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:32 AM   #13
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I have a hard time seeing the RSX-S lose to a WRX from a roll...

the WRX's power drops dramatically after 6000 rpm, where the RSX will make plenty of power to redline.

@ 30-40mph the RSX-S is still making plenty of power in 2nd gear vtec (and that's where we're starting from right?)...by the time 3rd gear rolls....I think the RSX-S would pull away from the WRX.
Thats when you shift
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Old 06-07-2004, 10:18 AM   #14
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I just want to add my 2 cents here. I went with a rsx-s from a roll at about 30-35mph. He had a intake as far as I know. I had a UTEC and full exhaust along with a up pipe. Well needless to say I pulled on him on every gear. We went to about 100 and I had 3 cars on him. Now stock for stock, the rsx-s would probably pull from a roll, but not by much. Thats my alnalysis.
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Old 06-07-2004, 10:24 AM   #15
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My car has always been fastest shifting @ redline no matter the state of tune.

I raced a stock RSX-S when I was stock... I pulled.

Heres a 1/4 list for them... not sure where stock fits in:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=47794

Further looking puts a stock RSX-S in the mid to low 15s @ 90-92 mph.

Stock WRX- mid to low 14s @ 93-95 mph.

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Old 06-07-2004, 10:25 AM   #16
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All this stuff:

With old set up aem cai, hp header, car sound high flow cat, magnaflow exhaust, hondata, hondata im gasket, mm, revo ss, nology wires and beru plugs, tb coolant bypass, and diy ground wires

Got this guy, this:

14.663 @ 94.38mph 1/4mi
94.79mph fastest trap

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Old 06-07-2004, 10:52 AM   #17
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Quote:
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Because I know from a roll stock for stock a spec v would keep up with the WRX.
You're just plain wrong. The WRX walks them all day long. Sorry, but those cars are PISS slow.

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my friend thinks since I don't drive a WRX I don't know **** about their power delivary...
Your friend is right.
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Old 06-07-2004, 10:54 AM   #18
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Originally posted by dug-e-fresh
All this stuff:

With old set up aem cai, hp header, car sound high flow cat, magnaflow exhaust, hondata, hondata im gasket, mm, revo ss, nology wires and beru plugs, tb coolant bypass, and diy ground wires

Got this guy, this:

14.663 @ 94.38mph 1/4mi
94.79mph fastest trap

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To be fair, a friend here ran high 13's with those mods and another guy ran 14.6 with intake only (he has a freak though). Those cars aren't that slow.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:01 AM   #19
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Using Road & Track as objective data, this is the trap speed for the three cars:
RSX Type S 92.7 mph
WRX 95.4 mph
S2000 99.6 mph

This suggests that the WRX should pull on the RSX Type S from a roll. The S2000 should walk away from both of them.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:04 AM   #20
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I raced a Spec V in my automatic 2000 Grand Am GT. It had 50k miles, had never been tuned up (the Grand Am)... ran a 15.58 @ 88.7 mph.

This is a 3.4L V6 rated @ 175hp/205tq.

I pulled the Spec V in every gear from 0-100 mph.

Also, the GAGT weighs in at around 3100lbs.

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Old 06-07-2004, 11:33 AM   #21
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Using Road & Track as objective data, this is the trap speed for the three cars:
RSX Type S 92.7 mph
WRX 95.4 mph
S2000 99.6 mph
And to add what R/T got for the Sentra:
15.6@90.3

Yeah, that can "hang" with a WRX from a roll alright. With the cruise control on.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:08 PM   #22
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I pulled on an RSX-S from a roll in my '04 wagon. He didn't like that. I think it was about 60-90 mph. Of course this was done on a closed air strip, with full safety crews and a giant net at the end in case anybody lost their brakes.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:19 PM   #23
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Why compare Honda's best offerings against the WRX?

How about the S2K against an STi

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:28 PM   #24
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Why compare Honda's best offerings against the WRX?

How about the S2K against an STi

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Because the phrase 'walk away' couldn't even come up

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:31 PM   #25
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Why compare Honda's best offerings against the WRX?

How about the S2K against an STi

~v6
On second thought though; it really is a lot more fun discussing what you might really consider Honda's top car the NSX. It is an Acura badge, but it is still a Honda just like the RSX. Anyone wanna comment on that? I would have to say the NSX will hurt the STi from a roll, but a good driver should be able to take the quarter. I haven't looked at NSX numbers in quite a while, so someone correct me if I am wrong.

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