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Old 09-08-2004, 11:26 PM   #1
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Cool Put OE 12.4" Rotors on your Subaru! - 05 Turbo Legacy Brakes for your Impreza!!

We have completed the first stage of testing with fitting the 2005 Turbo Legacy brakes onto a 2002 WRX. Currently we are running the front 12.4" setup only, but will have the rear vented setup on by this weekend!

Below is a link to photos of the test fit and final install.

2005 Legacy Turbo Brake Upgrade

17" or larger wheels are required for these brakes. These kits will bolt up to any year WRX, Impreza or Legacy, as long as you are on 17" or larger wheels!

The specs:
Stock 2005 Turbo Legacy Front Brakes
12.4" Rotors, Thicker than stock WRX
More Rotor Surface used than stock WRX
2 piston caliper (larger than stock wrx caliper)
Larger Pad Surface
Current Kits with Stock Pads - Bobcats are on the way!

Stock 2005 Turbo Legacy Rear Brakes
Vented Rear Rotors
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Kit 1: Fronts - Ready to ship now! $650 shipped
LH + RH OE Front Rotors - 12.4"
LH + RH Front Brake Calipers w/brackets
OE Subaru Front Brake Pads w/full hardware kit

Kit 2: Rears - Ready to ship now! $550 shipped
LH + RH OE Rear Rotors - Vented 11.4"
LH + RH Rear Brake Calipers w/brackets
OE Subaru Rear Brake Pads w/full hardware kit

Kit 3: Fronts & Rears - Ready to ship now! $1150 shipped
LH + RH OE Front Rotors - 12.4"
LH + RH Front Brake Calipers w/brackets
OE Subaru Front Brake Pads w/full hardware kit
LH + RH OE Rear Rotors - Vented
LH + RH Rear Brake Calipers w/brackets
OE Subaru Rear Brake Pads w/full hardware kit

We are expecting Carbotech pads in very near future for both the fronts & rears and kits with those will be added as they are available.

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Steven Rankins - parts@folgerautomotive.com (to order)

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Old 09-08-2004, 11:31 PM   #2
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order now....these are gonna go fast!!!
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Old 09-08-2004, 11:35 PM   #3
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r the rear rotors same size as WRX rears? what abt compare to H6 rear?
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Old 09-08-2004, 11:39 PM   #4
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r the rear rotors same size as WRX rears? what abt compare to H6 rear?
To be honest, I have not measured the rears yet, however they should be the same as or larger than the H6 rears. I will know much more about the rears this weekend. I just didn't want to hold back on the info any longer.

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Old 09-08-2004, 11:48 PM   #5
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Let me just say this.... After riding in the test car I'd says it's every bit as powerful brake wise as my STi.
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Old 09-09-2004, 08:21 AM   #6
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yank yo teethies out stopping power!!
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Old 09-09-2004, 10:01 AM   #7
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Are the rear calipers bigger than stock WRX rear calipers?

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Old 09-09-2004, 10:04 AM   #8
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Are the rear calipers bigger than stock WRX rear calipers?

john
From my observations of them on the 05's they look to be, however I will not be 100% on the rears until they arrive tomorrow. Keep an eye on this thread though.

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Old 09-09-2004, 10:16 AM   #9
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Nice work. They certainly look nice.

Stopping power is still more dependent on your tires. Are these sliding calipers like the OEM WRX brakes? How would you rate these against the STi (non-Brembo) 4-pot set-up? Pads for that upgrade are significantly cheaper than most upgrade set-ups. Any idea on cost for Legacy pads?
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Old 09-09-2004, 05:47 PM   #10
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Nice work. They certainly look nice.

Stopping power is still more dependent on your tires. Are these sliding calipers like the OEM WRX brakes? How would you rate these against the STi (non-Brembo) 4-pot set-up? Pads for that upgrade are significantly cheaper than most upgrade set-ups. Any idea on cost for Legacy pads?
These pads will run about the same as the 4pot pads.

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Old 09-09-2004, 10:19 AM   #11
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IIRC they are floating calipers front and rear....fixed calipers (like the 4 pots) 'feel' better as a result of less compliance in the system.

The whole rear brake looks just like the old turbo legacy but is bigger in diameter.
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Old 09-09-2004, 12:18 PM   #12
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VERY interseted in the rears so I can fix the front bias cuz of my sti brembo fronts!! Subarubucks for this right??
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Old 09-09-2004, 12:29 PM   #13
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VERY interseted in the rears so I can fix the front bias cuz of my sti brembo fronts!! Subarubucks for this right??
Yes we will accept Subarubucks.

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Old 09-09-2004, 12:36 PM   #14
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Old 09-09-2004, 02:17 PM   #15
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Nice! Finaly. I have been asking and wondering about this for some time. Glad you took the initiative and are figuring this out. I'll be waiting on the rear info as I am in the same boat as InfamousDX. I was going to do H6's but I will definately wait to see how this pans out.
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Old 09-09-2004, 05:48 PM   #16
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So I guess it's possible I might loose that h6 sale huh. lol....

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Old 09-09-2004, 10:13 PM   #17
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So I guess it's possible I might loose that h6 sale huh. lol....

Steven
See my comment about not wanting larger than 16" wheels =)

You might as well put my name on a H6 setup...it'll just be a week or so before I can order them, that's all.

I'm not going to bother buying 17in wheels + this setup. That amount of money can be better put towards other things. The RS is already 200lb lighter than the wrx...that already gives me a good stopping advantage, I just need a place for the heat to go. Most people I know that own WRX's already have 17in or larger wheels, but still have stock brakes...this is just perfect for them. Keeps the weight down, while vastly improving the brake setup.

The only thing that would make my day would be having someone say that these fit under the stock '00 RS wheels too =)

I'd love to know what the measurements are from the outside of the legacy caliper to the center of the wheel hub...I wanna know by just how much they don't fit...

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so......can you use the larger rotors on an 03 WRX with the (nonbrembo) 4Pots calipers??
No, as the 4-pots bolt right to the wheel hub assembly rather than a bracket, you can't stick a larger rotor under it. Designing an adapter bracket to fit that would also be near impossible.

An adapter bracket to move the stock WRX calipers out farther should be doable though...

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No, as the 4-pots bolt right to the wheel hub assembly rather than a bracket, you can't stick a larger rotor under it. Designing an adapter bracket to fit that would also be near impossible.

An adapter bracket to move the stock WRX calipers out farther should be doable though...

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ok, now I really confused. When I did the swap, the 4pots seemed to bolt on the exact same way the stock wrx calipers did. if you could make a bracket to move the stock caliper out, then why couldn't you bolt the 4pot to it.
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How does the front 12.4" 2 pot legacy set-up compare to the subaru 4-pot front set-up. For the price you can get the 4 pots for less, but is there are big difference performance wise with the turbo legacy set-up?
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Old 10-03-2004, 05:40 PM   #20
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How does the front 12.4" 2 pot legacy set-up compare to the subaru 4-pot front set-up. For the price you can get the 4 pots for less, but is there are big difference performance wise with the turbo legacy set-up?
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I can speak to this, as I went from a WRX with the 4-pots, Goodridge lines and SuperBlue to the Legacy GT, stock brakes, same wheels and tires (Prodrive P1s/Dunlop 9000s).

The GT's brakes stop better. A LOT better. There's nothing like a 1" size upgrade all round (front and rear) to improve brake torque. The GT's brakes don't quite have the feel of my WRX setup, but that's easy to fix, if so desired.

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The legacy setup has larger diameter rotors (as they require 17in wheels). Larger rotors with more mass, so better brake modulation along with more mass to absorb heat when driving hard, reducing brake fade.

I'd also wager to say that the 2-pot setup has more brake torque than the 4-pots, as the WRX 2-pot calipers have more brake torque than the 4-pots.

It would be equivalent to a cheaper BBK alternative for the WRX.

These would probably make a mean Auto-x setup...lighter weight than a stoptech or brembo setup. Would give you the same brake modulation as a BBK and better fade resistance than a stock setup.

And I'll say it again, BBK's don't make you stop faster. They just absorb/dissipate more heat than stock setups allowing for more repeated stops w/o brake fade.

I'd drop my 4-pots in a sec for this if I didn't want to stay on 16in wheels.

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The legacy setup has larger diameter rotors (as they require 17in wheels). Larger rotors with more mass, so better brake modulation along with more mass to absorb heat when driving hard, reducing brake fade.

I'd also wager to say that the 2-pot setup has more brake torque than the 4-pots, as the WRX 2-pot calipers have more brake torque than the 4-pots.

It would be equivalent to a cheaper BBK alternative for the WRX.

These would probably make a mean Auto-x setup...lighter weight than a stoptech or brembo setup. Would give you the same brake modulation as a BBK and better fade resistance than a stock setup.

And I'll say it again, BBK's don't make you stop faster. They just absorb/dissipate more heat than stock setups allowing for more repeated stops w/o brake fade.

I'd drop my 4-pots in a sec for this if I didn't want to stay on 16in wheels.

-- Dave
I think we're going to have to give you a job, since you respond so well to our brake posts!

(maybe an extra discount on your order for all of your help keeping up with the questions. )

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Old 09-09-2004, 04:45 PM   #23
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Can I use the same brake lines?
Can I reuse the speed bleeders from my WRX calipers?
Does the thicker rotors mean you're changing the wheel offset too?

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Old 09-09-2004, 05:52 PM   #24
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Can I use the same brake lines?
Can I reuse the speed bleeders from my WRX calipers?
Does the thicker rotors mean you're changing the wheel offset too?
Brake lines, yes
Speed Bleeders, maybe (I will post which size bleeders you will need. Some cars use small front, big rear, some use the oposite, and still some even different. lol...)
Offset change. I don't belive so. The hats appear to be the same thickness. If there is a change it is very minimal. I will measure the hats this weekend.

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Old 09-09-2004, 05:03 PM   #25
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at that price you can piece together a better aftermarket setup, what are the advantages of getting these installed? I am confused, $700 just for fronts you can roll some deep stopping power aftermarket, rotors, pads, ss lines, and ahve money left over for a caliper paint kit :-)
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