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Old 10-24-2001, 05:31 PM   #1
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This is info I got from a local dealer here in Central PA. (In writing)

In Year 2002:
MY03-Forester is all new-larger model
MY03-Brat "STX" Truck Model
Fall 2003 Legacy/Outback Face lift

In Year 2003:
MY04-Impreza STI Model - 270HP
MY04-Forester Turbo

In Year 2004:
MY05-Legacy GT gets Turbo

In Year 2005:
MY06-All new Impreza Body
MY06-Multi-sport SUV with GM Joint Venture
*GM owns 20% of Fuji

No prices were given, but the salesman assured me that this was all true and that it was info that salespeople had gotten from SOA in a meeting.

So, start saving the cashish!
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Old 10-24-2001, 08:20 PM   #2
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there's only one thing the dealer can say they know for sure... FHI is part owned by GM.

As for the other stuf...ugh, don't believe it. It's been proven many times over that the dealerships don't know anything about the future of these cars.

But I'll tell ya, it would be nice to finally get all the turbo models here.
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Old 10-24-2001, 09:13 PM   #3
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My dealer says the Brat and the STi will be hear within the year ...they even are taking orders on the WRX STi models
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Old 10-25-2001, 09:31 AM   #4
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Default Re: Subaru's Future...

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Originally posted by Oquipah
This is info I got from a local dealer here in Central PA. (In writing)
In Year 2004:
MY05-Legacy GT gets Turbo

No prices were given, but the salesman assured me that this was all true and that it was info that salespeople had gotten from SOA in a meeting.

So, start saving the cashish!
Well, no need for the turbo kit... unless the 2003 redesign is uglier than the current GT... and if it looks anything like the 2002 B4s... it aint ugly.

Mike2000GT

EDIT... wait a minute... Is this the dealer just north of Lancaster... on Manheim pike? Those guys are a little shady... Of couse a dealer that sells, what... Mercedes or Jags, in the same showroom... I think their priorities were a little off.

I'm gonna wait to hear this from elsewere as well.
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Old 10-25-2001, 12:10 PM   #5
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*GM owns 20% of Fuji
actually they owne 25% now they bought out the 5% that isuzu owned

edit - or was it nissan either way 25%
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Old 10-25-2001, 12:15 PM   #6
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EDIT... wait a minute... Is this the dealer just north of Lancaster... on Manheim pike? Those guys are a little shady... Of couse a dealer that sells, what... Mercedes or Jags, in the same showroom... I think their priorities were a little off.
Actually yes it is "that" dealer. (it's Mercedes and Mitsubishi) Are they shady? I've really only dealt with their service dept. and gotten great service from them.

Hmmm, I hate stealerships!

Can anyone else confirm the Future model info?
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Old 10-25-2001, 12:18 PM   #7
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Dealers don't know jack unless they have some other contact within the engineering organization. I laugh when dealers tell me false information about cars i've seen or worked on in development. Anything to generate sales traffic.

GM bought Nissan's share of FHI evidentally. We already own 49 of isuzu so if it was isuzu we'd already own half of that 5%.

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Old 10-25-2001, 03:12 PM   #8
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While I havent dealt with the service dept there, I have dealt with the sales reps. Really really typical business practice (once they decide to talk to you again... after you say your not buying a mercedes...)... I make an offer... they make counter offer... I say no, they say... lemme talk to my manager... then they say well how about this... blah blah blah...

I was looking at buying an RS from them, but it turned out they wanted the same price for a demo with 3K on it ( ) than the Bel Air, MD dealership wanted for a brand new one. 3K is not new..... and a demo... yeah. right.

Oh... and it took em a week to get a replacement RE92 when I blew a tire from a pothole. Car had ~1K on it. 135$ out the window.

Hope your dealings with them are better than mine.

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(is only shopping at Bel Air Subaru, Bel Air, Md... see Peg Emge)
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Old 10-26-2001, 08:08 AM   #9
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Yeah I've dealt with similar dealers (not Subaru). I hate the "Let me go talk to my manager..." That's about the time I get up and start to walk out the door. I wish my friend still worked at the Suby dealer near Philly. But...well my GF is looking for a new/used Outback Sedan so I test the Lancaster dealer for bs and keep your story in mind.

Although I will still use their service dept.

Thanks,
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Old 10-26-2001, 02:31 PM   #10
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i don't believe 95% of the salepeople's words......
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Old 01-21-2005, 02:19 PM   #11
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Default Dealer says 2006 STi to have 400HP

My local dealer may not know what he is talking about, but this is what he said he has heard from different reps. And, I was in the dealership drooling over a 2005 STi they had. So, he obviously was not saying it if he really wanted me to buy this STi they have had on the lot for 3 to 4 months now.
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Old 01-21-2005, 02:23 PM   #12
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Dealers, by and large, are less informed than the average internet user.
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:38 PM   #13
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Dealers, by and large, are less informed than the average internet user.
Amen......but having said that just two years ago we heard that there was no way the STi would have a 2.5 motor (with 300/300 no less). There tends to be a lot of rumors and some of them actually come true so we can't discount everything. My personal belief is that Subaru is going to knock one out of the park with the next STi and 350-400 hp is a possibility. Hopefully they can keep the price reasonable.
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Old 01-21-2005, 02:50 PM   #14
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i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot
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Old 01-21-2005, 03:31 PM   #15
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i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot
That's this guy's point...he was an interested prospect looking at an STi at the dealership and the dealership told him that better things were coming. Your dealer was obviously trying to get you to buy right then.

Jim
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Old 02-06-2006, 03:59 PM   #16
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That's this guy's point...he was an interested prospect looking at an STi at the dealership and the dealership told him that better things were coming. Your dealer was obviously trying to get you to buy right then.

Jim

Weird. My dealer totally told me the STis were making it to the States.
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:42 AM   #17
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i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot
lol wow
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:37 AM   #18
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last '06 I test drove, salesman made a point to tell me how much they changed the car from my 05, he also bragged about them going to a 3 cyl. in the WRX for MY06!

Let's guess where I'm not buying my next car. The guy was kinda creepy too.
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Old 01-21-2005, 03:22 PM   #19
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i hear it will have all wheel drive
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Old 01-24-2005, 09:16 AM   #20
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i hear it will have all wheel drive

The spare too! My dealer says the Japanese are geniuses at figuring this kind of stuff out.



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Old 01-25-2005, 10:41 AM   #21
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I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:47 AM   #22
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but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS

The WRX and Evo RS are not competitors.

First off, the RS is being made in very limited quantities (less than 1,000 a year).

Second, it's a complete stripper. It's built to be the basis of a rally car build up. The WRX is a daily driver with creature comforts.

That said, I do think the WRX is going to get the Legacy GT's drivetrain. Though, I'm 50/50 on whether it will recieve the same state of tune. I'm expecting slightly less than the 250/250 numbers from the GT, at least on paper.

My call for the new impreza line.

Impreza RS - further tweaks will give us about 175hp on the NA 2.5L

Impreza WRX - about 235hp/240lb-ft toruqe on paper (in reality, it will basically be the same as the Legacy GT)

Impreza WRX STi - 320hp/310 lb-ft torque.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:25 PM   #23
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I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.
i've heard 230hp with the new engine for the WRX and FXT. also consider that mitsu is ditching the 3 levels for the EVO9, which is planned to come in MR trim only, with different options and roughly 310ish mules...of course, what does that matter if mitsu is going to close their doors, as studies have shown to be the case within the next few years....
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It's supposed to come with autoglass. Completely enclosing the occupants from the outside elements.
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