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Old 09-02-2005, 03:42 PM   #1
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im looking into doing a full sti swap into my legacy, i wanted to know if anyone here has had the swap done at i-spped. i have read alot of articles stating that they swap out a full wiring harness, i wanted to get some peoples experinces.


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Old 09-02-2005, 07:50 PM   #2
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I-speed doesn't do it anymore, that I'm aware of.

LIC motorsports, which is is still in Nothern California, is the "install" portion of what used to be I-speed, and, in my opinion, they're the only good thing that came out of I-Speed.....

www.licmotorsports.com

Adam, Kevin and Noah do good work and turn out top-quality swaps.


We're slammed with projects at my shop, (including my swap) or I'd offer our services
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Old 09-04-2005, 05:04 AM   #3
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I-speed doesn't do it anymore, that I'm aware of.
Anymore info on this?
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Old 09-04-2005, 09:13 AM   #4
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If you decide to go the swap direction, likely a JDM V7 or earlier with the 6MT would be your best approach. Stay away from the USDM STI swap as itís simply not worth the overwhelming cost. Youíll spend upwards of 10k for an sti swap.

Or another option since youíre already part way there with your hybrid model, you could always do a hybrid wrx/sti swap. Itís a direction Iíd like to go with my setup someday. Basically gives you the largest bang for the buck. Go with wrx heads, ecu, and wiring with either a ej207 or ej257 shortblock. This will give you sti power with the ease of a wrx style of swap.

For the transmission, yes the sti 6-speed is the best factory tranny available but it costs an arm and leg. Not to mention youíll either need to re-gear (ring and pinion) your rear diff, or run an sti rear diff, shafts, subframe, etc. all of which adds to the price. Another alternative is beefing up the wrx 5MT. You go with the modest sti-ra gears and new clutch for 3k (as opposed to the sti 6k+) and hold 350hp, or go with a more solid PPG strait-cut 1-4 and new clutch for 4k and hold 450hp+.

Look into the costs of the 6-speed swap. When you get disgusted at the crazy prices for the trannyís consider gearing up the 5MT. Also, Iíve seen you can buy an entire 5MT dogbox new for the same price as the sti 6-speed.

Okay, thatís my $.02Ö
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Old 09-02-2005, 10:38 PM   #5
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didnt you just finish turboing your car?

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Old 09-03-2005, 02:06 AM   #6
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You are in New York and asking about west coast service? Crazy! I just moved from Syraucse to the Bay, contact me if you come out.

Not trying to diss, but you can do much better doing some research. LIC is considered the best swapper around but I spend my time split between the Leg forums and the Bay Area forums.

One of our (Leg) members in Maryland (I believe) has a swap from RalliSpec. I just spent 5 minutes searching but can't remember the name.

This may help:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=wrx

From what I can tell it will cost roughly $10k.

Search this forum starting with "wrx" for more info and then move to the swaps forum and search for "legacy". We are all interested in what you find.
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:31 AM   #7
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What gives man? I thought you were already boosted with a nice FMIC setup too?

Are you looking for an sti (US-EJ257 or JDM-EJ207) shortblock swap instead of your existing 2.5? Also by sti swap are talking drivetrain too (i.e. 6MT)?

Iím confusedÖ
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:11 PM   #8
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well this is the story, the car is boosted, running 5 psi on a 92 legacy turbo. the wastegate is damaged and is driving me nuts it has gotten stuck open 2 times on me, and the idle isnt allways so good. she has died sometimes on the high way at low idle in gear like in traffic in 2nd gear at 1500 rpms she starts to buck and dosnt like it. i also need a daily driver cause i do alot of driving for work and i need to be able to go long distances and not have to worry about the car. i mean with the swap and turbo she feels like a different car, and im just doing my research cause i want to know what my i can do down the road. i also have done alot of looking around and it seems that alot of people who do the swap are wrx engines i want the sti bigger motor, also the tranny aswell. the 5spd off the outback is such a low gear ratio it kind of suxs on highway. im just looking at all my choices. im tryning to get ideas aswell. i want to get rid of the whole wiring harness i dont want to have **** spliced . i have the greddy e manage spliced in and everyone has to watch there feet in the car. just want everyones ideas. i also want to be able to make 500 hp down the road and sti motor seems like a good way to go.

plz feel free to give me ur oppions.

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Old 09-03-2005, 09:55 PM   #9
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If you're going to do the swap....here is my take on what you've disclosed.

You do a lot of driving for work. That EJ257 is going to be a PIG on your wallet. I'd go EJ207.

If you upgrade the tranny, get the JDM 6MT....just a touch stronger with steel shift forks and better matched ratios.

If you go EJ257, go with the USDM tranny as well, you'll get better cruising ratios for the highway...
If you go EJ207, go with the JDM tranny for some fun, along with a bit of economy if you want with the smaller displacement.

You're either going to have to splice, or go insane converting all of your cars connectors to transplant another cars harness entirely. If you go to a well known shop, you'll pay, but you should get in return, some well done work, taped, loomed and tucked away like the factory.

You don't want to worry about the motor? don't even think of piecing the motor together (aka Frakensteining); go with an off the shelf complete long block at the very least.

Thats my quick take.

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Old 09-04-2005, 01:45 AM   #10
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my opinion is that you either need the car tuned or you used subpar engine management/fuel components. with proper tuning and good EM you really shouldnt have issues at all.

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Old 09-04-2005, 02:32 AM   #11
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well see i have sti yellow top injectors, walbro fuel pump, fpr was crushed to allow for more fuel, and she was tunned by the only perosn ins 1000 mile radius who knows how to tune with the greddy e manage so im stuck with the way she is.
that is why i want to do this swap so i dont have to worry about **** like this.


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Old 09-04-2005, 03:09 AM   #12
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well, the e manage is ok, but it is an offset device so it is never going to work great IMO. get full stand alone and get it retuned, it will be more cost effective than a full swap, but if you have the money and want a six speed anyways, then i guess go for it.

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Old 09-04-2005, 10:30 AM   #13
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thx, but my idea was to see if i can getled sti and salavage what i can off of it and do that to get the pieces that i need.

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Old 09-04-2005, 06:58 PM   #14
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thx, but my idea was to see if i can getled sti and salavage what i can off of it and do that to get the pieces that i need.

-matt

Getting a front clip is smart, in almost any case. You'll have almost all the pieces you need.

But xcntrk is correct, a USDM swap is more costly than a JDM swap usually. Plus, its a little trickier with the DBW, from what I understand.

Another option if you go 6MT for the rear diff is a 91-94 Legacy Turbo 5MT rear diff.....they had 3.9 LSD rears. I purchased one (and matching half shafts) for that reason. There are a number of Rex's running around with JDM STi swaps and 6MTs with R160 rear ends and for the most part they can keep up rather well. Heck, someone has claimed to have done several 7k clutch dumps on the 6MT/R160 combo and the rear diff is still with him.

not something I'd recommend with that setup...but hey, thats his deal, not mine.
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