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Old 11-23-2005, 03:51 PM   #1
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whats up guys,
im going to be getting a baja in the spring to replace my current daily driver, once i get this baja i want to install a lift kit right away, i have read a few threads on them and it sounds like the mudrat lift is the best, does anyone know where i can get a lift from? the cost? also how big of tires can i put on the baja, my only concern is fuel economy because i will do quite a bit of highway travel as well as some off road excursions.
also id like to put a sterio in it does anyone have any examples of custom audio work?
also how much room is there under the passanger seat, because i know that is about the only place avalable to place speakers, id like to fit some 8" subs in the truck some where.
thanks for the help everyone!

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Old 11-24-2005, 11:25 PM   #2
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I personally like the lift kit from Scorpian. I got almost 2000 watts of audio in my car. Headunits are very simply single DIN upgrades (basically any pioneer/kenwood/sony will fit). There is not too much room under the passanger seat (I got a profile 400 watt amp under mine). I'm personally working on installing a 12 inch sub in the middle of my back seat. That storage compartment can be removed by taking off for screws. It should be a nice massager when done
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Old 11-25-2005, 08:41 AM   #3
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There is no Mudrat lift for the Baja yet. It has been promised for sometime now but has yet to materialize. You should email him directly to add fuel to the fire.

The Scorpion kit is not easy to install on the Baja from what I have heard. It is really an Outback kit, so it is close, but not always a perfect match. There were some other minor problems too. They guys at Rallitek decided they didn't like it after putting one on a customers Baja. They were developing the lift with mudrat. It was gonna consist of coil-over struts as well as a standard lift kit.

You can also get mudrat to sell you lowered strut mounts. These compress the springs and raise the car. Lose wheel up travel.

I opeted for Scopion springs as a first step. They stiffen the ride, which is good, increase load capacitiy, also good, added 1.5 inches to my 03 (this id not true for 04 and later cars) and lost some down travel, which is not noticeable.

Contact Mudrat. I have an email out to him now, but have not gotten a reply yet.

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Old 11-25-2005, 07:43 PM   #4
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ive got two of these amps (a d7056 and a d7104) and two cm3 8" subs, a cap and a cd changer, and a kenwood excelon head unit; ive got a l7 10" that i am going to glass in in place of the two cm3's to see if i can get more volume... we will see. hope this helps.
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Old 11-25-2005, 08:20 PM   #5
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^^ that is exactly what i was thinking, can the seat still fold down?
im wanting two put to JL W7 8" in there.
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Old 11-25-2005, 08:21 PM   #6
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perry how can i contact mudrat i really want to get the most lift i can out of the ride.
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Old 11-25-2005, 09:56 PM   #7
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yeah, the seat still folds up without the subs hitting the center console (which is what i wanted) and it looks hot. unfortunately, the box took some tweaking to get the right size and a hell of a lot of polyfill to make it sound decent. my suggestion would to be to make the same size box and just put one 8" sub in there with some decent power behind it, i am going to upgrade to one 10" L7 square in the place of the two cm3's (which are the best 8" subs you can get for under $500 imho, look at the specs). the sound is tight and punchy right now (which isnt bad if its what you are after), but i am looking for a little more volume and low end. also, look at the mounting depth for the 8w7, i think it is too deep to mount there... good luck, and post pics when you are done!
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Old 11-26-2005, 04:50 PM   #8
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perry how can i contact mudrat i really want to get the most lift i can out of the ride.
Try this: http://mudrat-design.tripod.com/

Let us know what you find out.

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Old 11-26-2005, 03:22 PM   #9
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im thinking of glassing something, ill have to look into thoes subs, i was thinking of extending the rear seat center console to connect with the front seat center console but ill have to do some scouting out, either way i think ill end up glassing it and covering it with vinal. another thought of mine was to put the subs facing down so that you can have an armrest still. ive got some brain storming to do before i start the build but ill deff post pics up of everything.

i used to be a custom sterio installer so im sure ill think of something pretty trick, i was even considering using plexi glass to build part of the box.
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Old 11-27-2005, 01:18 AM   #10
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im thinking of glassing something, ill have to look into thoes subs, i was thinking of extending the rear seat center console to connect with the front seat center console but ill have to do some scouting out, either way i think ill end up glassing it and covering it with vinal. another thought of mine was to put the subs facing down so that you can have an armrest still. ive got some brain storming to do before i start the build but ill deff post pics up of everything.

i used to be a custom sterio installer so im sure ill think of something pretty trick, i was even considering using plexi glass to build part of the box.
yeah, i would suggest glass b/c you can have thinner bottom/sides/walls so that you will have a larger interior volume, which is especially important in a box this small. unfortunately, i am not patient enough to glass well (although i do know how) so i went with the quicker 5/8" mdf. if you connect the rear console with the front you will not be able to lift the seat up without taking the box out of the back. i had already thought of this, but i have used the switch back often enough when i didnt expect to that having to remove a box would just be too much of a hassle. if you want to be able to lift up the seat, you can only have the box about 1.5" thicker(taller) than the seat cushion. again, good luck and continue brainstorming! if you need me to take any additional pics or get dimensions for you just let me know.
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Old 11-28-2005, 02:31 PM   #11
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We have allready built lifts for the Outback. www.alliedarmament.com , we are a full time shop, good luck getting a hold of mudrat, he works full time. We specialize in building lifts for Subarus, we have built them for legacy's, EA 81, 82, Outbacks and soon the forrester. If you are located near Oregon you can bring your car into our shop and we can do the install and since you would be the first one with the lift in a Baja we would give you a large discount and a free install. Your looking at about $400 to pay for materials and labor.


http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/photo...&sort=1&cat=500

http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/forum...t=lifted+legacy
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:52 PM   #12
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We have allready built lifts for the Outback. www.alliedarmament.com , we are a full time shop, good luck getting a hold of mudrat, he works full time. We specialize in building lifts for Subarus, we have built them for legacy's, EA 81, 82, Outbacks and soon the forrester. If you are located near Oregon you can bring your car into our shop and we can do the install and since you would be the first one with the lift in a Baja we would give you a large discount and a free install. Your looking at about $400 to pay for materials and labor.


damnit! if you were closer id be there ASAP!

http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/photo...&sort=1&cat=500

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damnit! if you were closer id be there ASAP!
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:50 PM   #13
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well i emaild them so we will see how things turn out.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:12 PM   #14
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OH sure make it easy for the West coaster and Show no love for the Northeasters..
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:08 PM   #15
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I had a custom install in mine. had the back seat fabricated to fit the amp under it while still being able to use the switchback. the cap was installed in the empty compartment opposite of where the jack is kept. also have sirius radio and an ipod interface. install pics can be found here:
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:54 PM   #16
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if i had someone on the east coast offer that, id be there the following weekend! if one of you fu<k!n oregoners dont go see this allied armament guy, ill whoop your asses!
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:25 PM   #17
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^^^^ i agree i want a damn lift kit !!!!!!
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:26 PM   #18
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If you guys want we can do a special offer and make some lifts for your vehicles . What we would do is if I can get three or more people here to commit to buying a lift for the baja, we would build them for $450 a piece!

The price includes shipping. I am sure some people have skepticism about buying a product from a company that they have never done business with before, so I will guide you to the usmb.net were I have built up a tremendous relationship with the board members. Also to give a little more confirming evidence that I am not blowing sunshine out my A$$ we sold a lift to UCF (university of central florida) for their automated Darpa car. They paid $600. Also we have run an add in the last two editions of subie sport. This would truly be a good deal, because one you would be geting a lift for a heavily discounted price, and we would have another product to offer.

If anyone is interested I will need to know by the 7th of December. That way we can have them built and sent out by the 20th of December.

For more information you can contact me at:

Also we accept all forms of payment.

malarkey2@aol.com

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Old 11-29-2005, 11:56 AM   #19
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^^ this is a deal im going to contact the better half^^
also what all is included in your lift kits?
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:19 PM   #20
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All components are included (lift kit components and bolts), except the extended water hoses, for which you can buy at any automotive parts store. Also just so people know, the lift keeps the undercarriage geomtry the same as the factory, so there should be no worry about added strain to axles or premature wear to components.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:24 PM   #21
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Dam, that is an ausome price. I just can't commit before the new year on anything on the baja.
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:50 PM   #22
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does the lift include springs? i am just a newby to what you replace when lifting the baja.
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:11 PM   #23
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is this for a body lift? just wondering how youre planning on doing the lift, im new to them. how much lift are we talking about? will it be for the 04-06 baja, or to the 03 baja? i heard that the 04-06 baja have a body lift already from the factory, that is where the difference lies.. im definitely interested....
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:32 PM   #24
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The lift will be a body lift, everything is lifted via blocks, above subframes, extensions on the struts and tranny lowering blocks, an adjustable pitch stop rod will be included and an extended steering shaft. For which by the way there will be a $25 core charge on the steering shaft (those puppies are expensive). As for the difference in lift designs 03/04, the lift will be a direct replacement for either model, for example in the 04 you will take your old lift out and replace it with ours. Here is a link to our website there is a picture on there of one of our EA lifts http://alliedarmament.homestead.com/LiftKit.html (this should give you an idea of what you are going to get except that your lift will have about six more components).
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:39 PM   #25
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so if the same lift kit lifts the '03 by 4" and the 04-06 uses the same kit, is it not safe to assume that the 04-06 kits will be only ~2.5" ? also, how easy is this thing to install? ive never done anything like this before, and want to know if i should take it to the local subie mech. will this be test fit on a baja before i get it? the story of one was mentioned earlier in this post who got a lift kit for the 'baja' that ended up having to be whittled down, cut up, and pretty much remanufactured in shop. maybe the guys at rallitek can offer some suggestions since they are the ones who installed it. wow, i just cant stop asking questions.... thanks :P
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