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Old 12-12-2005, 03:02 PM   #1
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Question Deadening finally started, help please - wagon owners - plus PICS!!

Hello there,

After several months of "kicking it forward" (a very latin expression which means moving it to a later date), my deadening project has started.

Rear wheel wells, then the trunk lid, then the lower-A pillars, then (with all the previous as training) the front doors. Rear doors will be left behind this time, because I need to solve a small dent first.


Coming from Rick's tutorial:

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-Wheel wells, one layer of mat on the whole rear wheel wells then a layer of ensolite over that.
They cannot seem to get to the actual bodywork... I mean, you're supposed to get to the metal that "covers" the rear wheel, right?? They've found that the carpet is practically glued to the plastic covering it. This diagnostic was thru the phone, so I ask for your imagination.......

Would someone help me, please, explaining exactly what I need to do?


Pictures would be greatly appreciated!!


Thanks and regards,

MO

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Old 12-12-2005, 04:08 PM   #2
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Please help me get (in) to the rear wheel wells. I'm having a really hard time because they don't seem to be able to get there....


Thanks!!

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Old 12-12-2005, 06:47 PM   #3
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Sorry i don't have any answers off the top of my head. I didn't have this problem with my 04 STi, but I am thinking your problems are because it's a wagon and I am not very familiar with the rear interior of wagons. Maybe edit your title to ask for help from fellow wagon owners? Free bump and Good Luck!!

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Old 12-12-2005, 07:19 PM   #4
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are you trying to deaden the wheel well from the inside of the trunk? i thought it's more effective if you deaden the wheel well after removing the tire like in this link: http://secondskinaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:52 PM   #5
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Sorry i don't have any answers off the top of my head. I didn't have this problem with my 04 STi, but I am thinking your problems are because it's a wagon and I am not very familiar with the rear interior of wagons. Maybe edit your title to ask for help from fellow wagon owners? Free bump and Good Luck!!

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You're probably right... I was there this afternoon (no camera, so no pictures, sorry!), and the problems seems to be based on the fact that all the trim in that area is part of the trunk... I won't be undoing my trunk now... what they finally got doing, was lifting the plastic covering the front of the rear wheel well, and put mat over a great part of it. I mean, be the whole rear wheel well half a doughnut, and quarter doughnut in front of the strut tower, I'm covering almost 3/4 of that quarter....... two layers, and then foam.... should help, I guess

Thanks anyway!


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are you trying to deaden the wheel well from the inside of the trunk? i thought it's more effective if you deaden the wheel well after removing the tire like in this link: http://secondskinaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101
Thanks man! Can you actually do that on a Impreza?? I'm trying to get to the wheel well from the 'rear seat position'... I mean, the rear seat is out, and most of the trim and stuff in front of the wheel well is out as well...... it might be a very good idea doing what you recommend; do not know whether it is possible doing it so on our cars..........

Thanks!!


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Old 12-12-2005, 11:04 PM   #6
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It's easy on a GC to get to the rear wheel wells...

I just have 2 plastic panels covering the insides of them.

Mine are matted on the inside of the car.

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Old 12-12-2005, 11:36 PM   #7
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Mine (2003 Impreza wagon), being a GC???

Yours is not a wagon, right? I guess that makes the difference....

Pictures.......................... ??


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Old 12-12-2005, 11:37 PM   #8
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No pics unfortunately.

I did that a long time ago =P

Mine is a 2000 sedan. That's the difference.

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Old 12-12-2005, 11:39 PM   #9
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But worthwhile is the question..... from what I described, does it make sense.....??


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Old 12-15-2005, 06:45 PM   #10
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Hi Guys,

Just a small preview, more pictures will come later.....




What do you guys think???


Cheers,

MO

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Old 12-16-2005, 04:16 AM   #11
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Looking good, now go back and trim a 1" area around all the door pops, the door panels will go back on and stay on much better

Keep up the great work!

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Old 12-16-2005, 07:50 AM   #12
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sorry a little bit off topic but has anybody done the roof with mat and ensolite and where to buy ensolite thanks any help will be appreciated

gabe
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:50 AM   #13
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I haven't done the roof yet, but I can tell you that Rick usually has ensolite available. Shoot him a PM.

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Old 12-16-2005, 09:17 AM   #14
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Looking good, now go back and trim a 1" area around all the door pops, the door panels will go back on and stay on much better

Keep up the great work!

Rick
You do know how feels to hear a "looking good..." from the guy who promotes deadening the most.................................

Many thanks! I'll make sure they trim that inch area around those pops!

Now, the inner of the front door, plus the guy who is actually doing the job!! 'El Toto'



Why his face? Because temperature here has been around 88F.....

I haven't been able to go there and see, but this afternoon I'm leaving earlier, and will let you know....


Cheers,

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Old 12-16-2005, 09:45 AM   #15
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if you have problem w/ the door pins engaging after, find your local body & paint supply place.
i used a GM part number. good fit in the door card and probably 1.5" to 2" long.
very handy.
came in a "Wee Pak" (or Wee Pack?)
i have the PN at home & can post it later if you need it.
edit for reading comprehension (me)
not sure if this info is of any use in Chile!
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:13 AM   #16
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if you have problem w/ the door pins engaging after, find your local body & paint supply place.
i used a GM part number. good fit in the door card and probably 1.5" to 2" long.
very handy.
came in a "Wee Pak" (or Wee Pack?)
i have the PN at home & can post it later if you need it.
edit for reading comprehension (me)
not sure if this info is of any use in Chile!
Probably it doesn't, but post it anyway, so I can check... I got the IAPerformance ones, and hope they'll be OK.


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the IA Performance ones are great.
but i needed way mpre than i got in the pack.
so my choice was grab some local or get more from AZ . . .
went w/ the instant gratification.
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i'll post the PN tonight
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sorry a little bit off topic but has anybody done the roof with mat and ensolite and where to buy ensolite thanks any help will be appreciated

gabe
Link!
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:54 AM   #19
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duh! if i had searched better, i would have found where i already posted the part number.
oh well, here is the info: Wee Pak brand, 99-2462, which is a GM piece
and a look for those who are wondering "what's the difference"

that's the Wee Pak part on the left, and the stock pin from an 04 STi door card on the right.
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Old 12-17-2005, 01:18 PM   #20
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don't mean to hijack the thread, but i had a question about these door pins.
are the "wee pak" of IA pins better than the stock ones? as in do they hold the panel on tighter?
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:34 AM   #21
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don't mean to hijack the thread, but i had a question about these door pins.
are the "wee pak" of IA pins better than the stock ones? as in do they hold the panel on tighter?
Yeah..... we need to know......

Plus, where can i get those online


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Old 12-19-2005, 11:13 AM   #22
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I'm taking a different route just to keep my tire noise at bay. I have 4 cans waiting for spring in order to coat the insides of the fender wells.

If you don't want to tear all the stuff out of your wagon this stuff might help a little, you can make some access from the top and just spray down.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=268-250

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Old 12-21-2005, 09:04 PM   #23
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Just to let you guys know..... there are a couple of details missing (not enough ensolite), but the difference is good enough

I was picking my car up at the audio shop, and one other customer got into my car....... the sub was off. Mr. A-Z disc was in...

"HOW MANY SPEAKERS do you have in here??????"

Was all he could ask.... he would not believe there were only mids and tweets

When I turned the sub ON, he said: "Let me get out of here..." not because it was too loud (it was not, indeed), but he was almost crying about his system.........

I couldn't be any prouder
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Old 12-21-2005, 11:04 PM   #24
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Smile Some pictures (unfortunately, no many more...)

Here are some pictures of the work done

Sealing the front door holes:





More detail:





Detail of the finished front door:





The ensolite in the front door:





And, finally, the back seat:





I guess will take some more when we finish details in a couple of weeks.....


Cheers,

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Old 12-22-2005, 12:44 AM   #25
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Next up Cover the whole door area with a single layer of ensolite foam, it will not effect door lock operations, etc but will cut down a great deal of road noise from entering the cabin. And it will help with a bit better midbass resolution but not being masked on the inside of the car by road noise as well.

As mentioned earlier, make sure to cut a 1" circle or so around ever door pop, then the panel will fit back on nice and snug.

Looking good, keep it up!

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