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Old 09-05-2006, 03:23 PM   #1
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Default Airbag question for the ages...

To airbag or not to airbag, that is the question.
AFAIK, BC is the only province and/or state in North America where you can legally remove the steering of a vehicle who's airbag has not gone off yet, for a non-airbag steering wheel.

On another post I picked up an 04 or 05 STi steering wheel and attempted to swap it in yesterday. The airbag connectors were different, so I tried swapping the whole airbag itself. No dice. The newer STi wheel has a smaller triangle shaped airbag while my RS has got a larger square shaped one. It would stick out the sides of the STi wheel if I tried to swap it

I know most will say no to going without an airbag, but I've never had a car with airbags before; this is the first one. I'm only debating cause its SUCH A NICE WHEEL!!
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Old 09-05-2006, 03:30 PM   #2
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as long as you stay buckled up, and don't sit 'grandma style' up close to the steering wheel, I wouldn't worry too much about it

I might just get myself a smaller diameter momo wheel...
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Old 09-05-2006, 03:42 PM   #3
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Just my opinion, but mark me as one that likes his airbags, just in case. That said, my ITR had a 320mm Momo Race wheel in it, no airbags, and I used to drive that thing much more agressively than I do the STi. I wouldn't do it again though.
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Old 09-05-2006, 03:54 PM   #4
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yeah of course, airbags could always make an accident a lot safer/comfortable... it'll save you some whiplash, and if you sit close to the steering wheel, there's less chance of you smacking your head on it... it saves lives, that's why they use em

from my experience, (been in a couple accidents while in the passenger/back seat), passenger airbag is far more important, since the driver is braced with the dead pedal and holding onto the steering wheel, while the passenger really only has the seatbelt.. I dunno..

up to you really..
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:11 PM   #5
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I'll keep my airbags thanks...I'm too pretty to mess up my face hitting the wheel
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Old 09-05-2006, 05:32 PM   #6
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just make sure you've got at least 12 inches from the center of the airbag to the center of your chest and its gonna help save your life in a crash. If you sit too closely to the wheel cause of shorter legs/arms, then, the airbag deployment could actually harm you in a crash. Just food for thought..
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:00 PM   #7
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I'll keep my airbags thanks...I'm too pretty to mess up my face hitting the wheel
It's not likely that your face will hit the wheel if you are buckled up, HOWEVER it is very likely that the airback will give you black eyes and the powder its packed with will burn your face and arms. I'm not saying this is a reason to get rid of them, they do far more good then harm, but an airbag deploying still won't leave you with a "pretty" face. (And your face stretches the definition of pretty anyways. )

The airbag could also break your arm... right after it drives it into your face, breaking your nose in the process. Hands at 10 and 2, not one hand at 12 like I see far too often.
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:03 PM   #8
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(The airbag could also break your arm... right after it drives it into your face, breaking your nose in the process. Hands at 10 and 2, not one hand at 12 like I see far too often.
Well, when you're riding dirty...you gotta put your hand at 12 noon But I always have mine at 10 and 2....ok well 9 and 3 (because I can rest them on the spokes of the wheel...I'm lazy!)
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:04 PM   #9
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(And your face stretches the definition of pretty anyways. )
Wait, when did you see me?
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:07 PM   #10
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Wait, when did you see me?
Why, last Friday night, Medusa. Thank goodness it was dark or I would have turned to stone.
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:19 PM   #11
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Airbags are you friend, I wouldn't want to be driving without those.

My friend has a doudge van, and the airbag light turned on, my friend ended up taking it to doudge to get it checked out, lol. The couldn't find out what was wrong with it.

-5 points for them.
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:58 PM   #12
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Why, last Friday night, Medusa. Thank goodness it was dark or I would have turned to stone.


the VIC isn't very good at staying on topic is it- Penphoe probably hates us

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Old 09-05-2006, 07:02 PM   #13
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lol

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Old 09-05-2006, 07:04 PM   #14
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its possible to keep the airbag installed with your sti wheel. just swap the charge from your RS wheel into the sti one (same exact charge, different connector) or splice the airbag wires (i dunno which one is which tho).

i swapped the charges for my steering swap, worked like a charm. (its only 4 nuts if you're wondering)
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:16 PM   #15
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Why, last Friday night, Medusa. Thank goodness it was dark or I would have turned to stone.
Haha, I may be ugly...but my wife is pretty hot, and she didn't marry me for my money
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:35 PM   #16
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cue cwareing's picture

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Old 09-06-2006, 02:48 AM   #18
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Why you little!?!
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:53 AM   #19
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Thanks for everyone's honest input!

When I tried to swap the charge/exploder itself, it looks like its clipped or pressed into the back of the RS's horn pad, no bolts or screws hold it in. It's also about 1.5 times the size of the STi one, which does 4 lil screws holding it to the back of the horn pad. I starred at both side by side for a good half hour, there's really nothing that can be done.

The connectors were different The RS exploder has wire comming out of it, to a yellow connector. The STi has the connector right in the back of it; no wires come out of it. It *almost* looked like you could just pull the wires out the back of the RS and plug it into the back of the STi, but unfortunately those 2 wires in the RS one are sauldered to the back of it. There's the option to cut and saulder the wires, but that could do more harm then good. It only takes mV to set off the airbag. And almost all the wiring and connections are gold or gold plated. Sauldering can throw off the voltage to the airbag. Either it'd never go off, or go off unexpectedly while driving.

As far as driving, I'll go 5 km/h, maybe 10, over the speed limit if I really wanna pass someone. Otherwise, I'm right back at the limit. (I have to be a good boy; thank you ICBC ) Driving style, I have long arms. You're height from the bottom of your foot, to the top of your head is suppose to be equal to your wingspan from the tip of your middle finger to the other. Well I'm 6' tall, but my wingspan is 6'4". So to be comfortable, I'm almost 3 ft away from the steering wheel. And I'm always buckled up.

I've talked it over with the friend I got the wheel off of, and I think at the very most, I'll try it out and go from there, and keep my RS wheel as back up, so I guess I can't make a bit of money back from the purchase of the STi wheel, but I could always put it back in.

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Old 09-06-2006, 07:54 AM   #20
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To airbag or not to airbag, that is the question.
AFAIK, BC is the only province and/or state in North America where you can legally remove the steering of a vehicle who's airbag has not gone off yet, for a non-airbag steering wheel.
Anybody know if it's legal to remove the passenger side airbag as well?

I've already replaced the seats (install went awesome... us guys in Canada are lucky... we have heat connector, airbag connectors, and driver side seat belt connector... none of that sensor stuff for seeing how heavy the person is, etc... so aftermarket seats are WAY easier for us Canadians.

so anyways... to get back on topic... I've lost my side airbags... and I really want to install an OMP Kubic steering wheel... which means I'll lose the driver airbag... by then, might as well go all out and remove the passenger one too lol... and since we're doing that, might as well remove the controller, sensors, and all wiring and save even more weight... hmmmmm... decisions decisions...
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:48 PM   #21
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... us guys in Canada are lucky... we have heat connector, airbag connectors, and driver side seat belt connector... none of that sensor stuff for seeing how heavy the person is, etc... so aftermarket seats are WAY easier for us Canadians.
The '06 cars have the "heavy" sensor in the passenger seat, along with the other connectors that the '05s have.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:30 PM   #22
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Anybody know if it's legal to remove the passenger side airbag as well?

I've already replaced the seats (install went awesome... us guys in Canada are lucky... we have heat connector, airbag connectors, and driver side seat belt connector... none of that sensor stuff for seeing how heavy the person is, etc... so aftermarket seats are WAY easier for us Canadians.

so anyways... to get back on topic... I've lost my side airbags... and I really want to install an OMP Kubic steering wheel... which means I'll lose the driver airbag... by then, might as well go all out and remove the passenger one too lol... and since we're doing that, might as well remove the controller, sensors, and all wiring and save even more weight... hmmmmm... decisions decisions...
Good question! I'm curious about that now too hehe I could probably find out...
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Old 09-07-2006, 12:51 AM   #23
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My guess is it's not illegal, but you may get some trouble from ICBC. If you tell them, your rates may go up. If you don't tell them, and you get in an accident where your passenger is injured and ICBC decides that things would not have been as bad had there been an airbag in place, I can see them making a fuss. I'm guessing at all this, but I wouldn't put it past ICBC.

On a side note, I would only remove airbags on a track car. Of course I'd also remove bumper beams, interior panels, AC, stereo, rear & passenger seats, and all other bits of "safety equipment" I could find short of the drivers seatbelt.
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:49 AM   #24
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So I managed to get the STi steering wheel installed! I sacrificed the airbag, and disconnected everything the the connectors so I could always put everything back to stock if I wanted to. I'm gonna keep the RS wheel handy. I eliminated the cruise control switch, but the previous owner already sacrificed it for the turbo setup, so it was just a dummy switch anyway. Unlike a steering wheel swap in my old Honda's, the horn still works
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