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Old 12-02-2006, 05:34 PM   #1
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2007 BMW 3-series
2007 Chevrolet Corvette
2007 Chrysler 300
2007 Honda Accord
2007 Honda Fit
2007 Infiniti G35 sedan
2007 Mazda MX-5
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2007 Porsche Boxster / Cayman
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:28 PM   #2
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Criteria for 10 best? I always wonder about what makes a car worthy of 10best or MT's Car of the Year. Spun all sorts of different ways, we could have all sorts of different contenders.
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:46 PM   #3
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How can the Boxster and Cayman share a spot? They're totally different cars.
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Old 12-02-2006, 07:23 PM   #4
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How can the Boxster and Cayman share a spot? They're totally different cars.
I haven't seen the issue yet, so I don't know how they justify it. But in the big picture, the Cayman is simply a Boxster with a roof.

Same engines
Same trans
Same suspension, wheel & tire sizing
Same length, width & wheelbase
Very close height (Cayman .5" taller) and curb weight (Boxster is 11 lbs heavier)

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Old 12-02-2006, 09:44 PM   #5
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How can the Boxster and Cayman share a spot? They're totally different cars.
I assume you are being sarcastic?

They certainly are not any more different than any other coupe/vert twins on the market. They are in fact probably one of the closest.

Or are you a proof that Porsche's marketing trick to charge more for the coupe than a vert actually worked?
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:05 PM   #6
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How can the Boxster and Cayman share a spot? They're totally different cars.
im thinking he confused the caymen with the cayenne SUV.
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:23 PM   #7
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o well, i guess i didn't win their contest for guessing the 10best
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:28 PM   #8
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How can the Boxster and Cayman share a spot? They're totally different cars.
how about the entire bmw 3 series lol
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:42 PM   #9
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are these in any particular order? or just a general list?
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:00 AM   #10
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are these in any particular order? or just a general list?
did you not learn the alphabet as a kid?
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:15 AM   #11
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Guys, Jeremy Clarkson put it right, it's not a Cayman, it's the Coxster!
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:34 AM   #12
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Criteria for 10 best? I always wonder about what makes a car worthy of 10best or MT's Car of the Year. Spun all sorts of different ways, we could have all sorts of different contenders.
You can read more here:
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We judge the cars in three general areas: First, how well the car performs its intended functions. We expect sports cars to be fast and exhilarating, while we presume a family sedan will be practical. Second, we show a preference for the more engaging cars in each category; be it better driving manners, a double-take-inducing look, or a powerful engine. Finally, we are suckers for a good deal, so an inexpensive car that’s fast, fun, and practical will certainly rise to the top of our list.
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Old 12-03-2006, 01:28 AM   #13
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Does anyone remember last year's list??
IMO GTI doesn't belong there...
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Old 12-03-2006, 01:34 AM   #14
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Does anyone remember last year's list??
IMO GTI doesn't belong there...
Have you driven one?

Yes, the GTI belongs there. It is a blast to drive. The direct injection 2.0L is amazing as well as the 6spd. It has a top notch interior and very unique looks. Oh yeah, it gets 32mpg and has plaid seats. The handling is very much reminiscent of my fiancee's MINI Cooper S. Add in the $20k starting price, and you have a winner.

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Car and Driver's 2007 10Best List

2007 BMW 3-series
2007 Chevrolet Corvette
2007 Chrysler 300
2007 Honda Accord
2007 Honda Fit
2007 Infiniti G35 sedan
2007 Mazda MX-5
2007 Mazdaspeed 3
2007 Porsche Boxster / Cayman
2007 Volkswagen GTI
I've highlighted the cars I've driven from the list. I completely agree with these cars being on the list. They all do what they were meant to do very well. The only car I was slightly disappointed with was the MX-5. I think I went into the test drive with too high of expectations. The 3 series would have been what I'd ordered had I been more comfortable with my financial situation. The Fit is a great car. It had tons of room while being small and nimble. I was even driving an autobox version. The GTI... well, I liked it enough to place an order for one in October... still waiting. The Mazdaspeed 3 was on my list, but I'm not a huge fan of the regular 3 interior and I didn't want to deal with the hassle of trying to get a test drive and then having the dealer hunt one down with exactly the options I wanted.

~~Quentin

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Old 12-03-2006, 02:49 AM   #15
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Have you driven one?

Yes, the GTI belongs there. It is a blast to drive. The direct injection 2.0L is amazing as well as the 6spd. It has a top notch interior and very unique looks. Oh yeah, it gets 32mpg and has plaid seats. The handling is very much reminiscent of my fiancee's MINI Cooper S. Add in the $20k starting price, and you have a winner.

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actually managed 35mpg in the wife's DSG GTI on a road trip this summer. And that is with a heavy package2 (leather,sunroof, etc), 18" wheel model. The car never ceases to amaze me.
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:51 PM   #16
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These cars got kicked off: TSX, A3, RX-8, and Mustang and got replaced by the Fit, G35 Sedan, Mazdaspeed 3 and GTI.
http://www.caranddriver.com/bestcars...cars-2006.html
IMO they should have put the entire Mazda 3 line since everyone likes it and replace the GTI with the Mustang. GTI is a good car, but not perfect, and I think the Mustang deserves a spot for being a nice, cheap sports car in the market.
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The GTI and Mustang are not even remotely in the same class. The mustang is a yawner for the money, and the most popular one is the V6 model. The TSX is essentially an expensive Accord (Euro R-ish). The A3 is so far overpriced for what you get, it didn't stand a chance. How much do you want to pay for your Jetta wagon with quattro (which I cant remeber if it is torsen or haldex). The RX8 is great, but there are reliability issues and build quality issues, and the masses are not ready to embrace the nuances of a rotary engine. Though I wouldn't ever buy one, the GTI belongs there. I am surprised that the Saturn Aura didn't make it. Maybe next year.
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:36 PM   #18
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Haldex is a manufacturer of traction system (drivetrain) components. Torsen (TORque SENsing) is a form of differential technology. I believe they had been utilizing a torsen-type center diff in VAG cars as well as many of the Ford units amongst other manufacturers from the Haldex group. There are many others who play in the same market as Haldex however to include but not limited to: BorgWarner, Getrag, GKN, Magna Drive Train, Toyoda and ZF.
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^ HUH?? AFAIK Torsen is a company too and the type of differentials they make are called helical LSDs... no?
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Doh, what was I on when I wrote that. Torsen is also a division of a company and their shall I say flavor of helical differentials are listed as Torsen units, which can be used in different applications. They are mostly used currently in SUV/truck applications, however also older Audi's.
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I haven't seen the issue yet, so I don't know how they justify it. But in the big picture, the Cayman is simply a Boxster with a roof.

Same engines
Same trans
Same suspension, wheel & tire sizing
Same length, width & wheelbase
Very close height (Cayman .5" taller) and curb weight (Boxster is 11 lbs heavier)
Well, just to be fair to Porsche...

engine - Cayman S currently has a 3.4 litre engine that the Boxster S won't get until this year, so currently they are different. That engine shares a bit in common with the 911's, with variable valve timing, etc.
trans - yeah, i'm pretty sure thats right. the gear ratios in first and second are shorter, if i remember correctly.
suspension - of course, cayman's is tuned more aggressively (stiffer body). wheels are different
dimensions - can't argue with that!

After this year, they will be the same, but I really like both and I'm glad both of them got on there.
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Well, just to be fair to Porsche...

engine - Cayman S currently has a 3.4 litre engine that the Boxster S won't get until this year, so currently they are different. That engine shares a bit in common with the 911's, with variable valve timing, etc.

After this year, they will be the same, but I really like both and I'm glad both of them got on there.
CD's list is for '07 models....the Boxster/Cayman have the same engines.

I was disappointed to see the Mustang go...but I'm happy the MS3 is there. I thought it was interesting that there was not a single Toyota or Lexus....not that I'm complaining.
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The GTI and Mustang are not even remotely in the same class. The mustang is a yawner for the money, and the most popular one is the V6 model. The TSX is essentially an expensive Accord (Euro R-ish). The A3 is so far overpriced for what you get, it didn't stand a chance. How much do you want to pay for your Jetta wagon with quattro (which I cant remeber if it is torsen or haldex). The RX8 is great, but there are reliability issues and build quality issues, and the masses are not ready to embrace the nuances of a rotary engine. Though I wouldn't ever buy one, the GTI belongs there. I am surprised that the Saturn Aura didn't make it. Maybe next year.

When CD chose the Mustang last year, they only included the GT model.

And CD's review of the Aura wasn't all that great...& unless its changed quite a bit for next year (which it won't be), it won't be eligible. Cars have to be new for the corresponding model year or prior year's winners to be in the competition.
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When CD chose the Mustang last year, they only included the GT model.

And CD's review of the Aura wasn't all that great...& unless its changed quite a bit for next year (which it won't be), it won't be eligible. Cars have to be new for the corresponding model year or prior year's winners to be in the competition.
So next year the Impreza and Legacy should be at least eligible again.
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