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Old 01-22-2007, 03:49 PM   #1
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Default Let's talk about Tokico D-Specs and wagons

So I know that there are a couple of people here running Tokico's on their wagons, but other than Orson, there seems to be little to no feedback on setups and reviews.

I'm interested in hearing from wagon owners who are running these and what lengths they've gone to to get some decent camber numbers. Plates? Bolts? How are they working for you? What springs are you running and how are you setup?

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Old 01-22-2007, 09:55 PM   #2
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I'm interested too.

Wagon owners with Tokico's, please discuss.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:47 PM   #3
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I want to know too, I'm gonna need something when my tein wagons take a poop on me.
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:09 PM   #4
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:14 AM   #5
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Anyone? I'm very interested too. Subiesport put D-Specs with Prodrives on their project wagon, I'm really curious what they did to solve the camber issue and which year springs they put on.
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:41 PM   #6
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I'm not a wagon owner, but I'm very interested in any feedback on the Tokico D-Spec (especially anyone using the strut/spring package).
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:48 PM   #7
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I'm not a wagon owner, but I'm very interested in any feedback on the Tokico D-Spec (especially anyone using the strut/spring package).
This post: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1046120 has a ton of info on what springs to use with the d-specs. In particular, there is a lot of discussion on the "kit."

Like a few others in this thread, I am more interested in the camber issues that come from using the d-specs on a wagon and what others have done to get good camber numbers (and what are those numbers?). I want to pair these up with a set of USDM Sti wagon pink springs. I would like to maintain the ride quality of the wagon pink springs so I am not sure if I would want to run something like the RCE camber plates up front (anyone with first-hand opinions?). I'm pretty sure that camber bolts will solve any issues in the rear, but I am not sure about the front.

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Old 01-28-2007, 11:00 PM   #8
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You guys can find most of this info on any thread having to do with using sedan struts on a wagon. Using plates or a second set of camber bolts up front and camber bolts in the rear will bring you easily into decent camber ranges. Folks with plates are getting around -2.5 to -3 with plates, depending on the plates. Bolts will net you around -2 to -2.5 roughly. Personally, I'd go with plates as it easier to get your alignment done that way. Few places know how to work with aftermarket camber bolts much less 2 sets!

Obviously the bigger issue is that these struts are 02/03 compatible, meaning you have to do the washer mod to the rear if you are planning to run 04+ springs like the STi wagon pinks. TIC carries the best washer mod for this situation.

As to how the various springs are working with the DSpecs, simply read the above thread.
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:23 PM   #9
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I'm interested in hearing this info too..

So I was informed that Konis, as wonderful as they are for paved applications, are not good for off road, like rallyx. Something about the housing being small (since it's an insert) which is not good for rallyx stuff... I'm guessing heat from all the bouncing.

But I want something with good digressive curves, adjustability, and works with sti wagon pinks (or even stockers for when my stock struts wear out)
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Anyone? I'm very interested too. Subiesport put D-Specs with Prodrives on their project wagon, I'm really curious what they did to solve the camber issue and which year springs they put on.


There were no negative camber issues using the D-specs on the wagon with either the Prodrive or Swift springs. Both sets of springs were for the 04+ .

Driving impressions of the car have been nothing but fantastic from everyone who's driven it. I've even been told not to go to coilovers due to how well it performs without sacraficing comfort.


Expect a full breakdown here soon of everything including driving impressions in the testing coming up soon.
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What do you mean by "no negative camber issues"? Are you saying that you could get camber into factory spec range or that you could achieve as much negative camber as with stock wagon struts?
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There were no negative camber issues using the D-specs on the wagon with either the Prodrive or Swift springs. Both sets of springs were for the 04+ .

Driving impressions of the car have been nothing but fantastic from everyone who's driven it. I've even been told not to go to coilovers due to how well it performs without sacraficing comfort.

Expect a full breakdown here soon of everything including driving impressions in the testing coming up soon.
I am firmly convinced that the d-specs are a very solid product and the only gripe I've had is that I need a bit stiffer spring set than I have been using---which I now have thanks to Myles and I will be installing some new Whiteline front tops with the springs thanks to Arnie to cover THAT area of my suspension.
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Ok so I'm reading Tokico Dspecs like stiff springs; fine... what about the full soft setting? How is it relative to the stock WRX or STi struts.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:38 AM   #14
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yes, full soft, they're like stock... as far as i can remember. (it's been a few years since i've been on stock suspension.) but, i think they were designed to be as soft, if not softer than stock at their softest setting.
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Ok, I apologize if I am asking for information that has already been disseminated in other areas, but I figure that this thread is easy to search for and other wagon owners will want to know the same info....so here goes:

1. In regards to the stock setup, it appears that there are no camber bolts in the rear, and one set already in the front? If so, adding a set to the rear will let you get well within specs, and either adding a second set to the front or using RCE plates (or other similar products) will out you well within specs on the front. Are my assumptions here correct?

2. If using RCE plates on the front, what effect do they have on ride quality?

3. MPREZYA, what were your alignment readings since you say that you had no camber issues using the sedan d-specs on your wagon?

Thanks.

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Old 02-09-2007, 01:10 PM   #16
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What do you mean by "no negative camber issues"? Are you saying that you could get camber into factory spec range or that you could achieve as much negative camber as with stock wagon struts?
I'd still like to know the answer to this too.
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Glad this thread is starting to pickup! Even though I currently have a brand new set of GR-2's waiting to match up with my SPT Pinks.

Hopefully we can get some continued feedback and clarification, because I STILL think that I may end up with the Tokicos at some point. The suspension swap sickness is starting...

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Old 02-09-2007, 02:34 PM   #18
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Glad this thread is starting to pickup! Even though I currently have a brand new set of GR-2's waiting to match up with my SPT Pinks.

Hopefully we can get some continued feedback and clarification, because I STILL think that I may end up with the Tokicos at some point. The suspension swap sickness is starting...

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No ****? tell me how that GR-2 plus spacers and spt pinks works man.

lucky you and your jdm hookups

When your talking tokicos aren't they like 600$ vs gr-2s which are 400....
hopefully the gr-2's will match fine for your DD/collegstudentbudget
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No ****? tell me how that GR-2 plus spacers and spt pinks works man.
I will. I still think that this setup is going to be pretty nice. I'm probably going to sacrifice some stiffness, but we'll see. There aren't too many here who are running this setup, but the ones who are have good feedback.

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lucky you and your jdm hookups
Steppin' down from teh JDM goodness. But I'm gonna hold onto that setup until the verdict comes down!

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When your talking tokicos aren't they like 600$ vs gr-2s which are 400....
hopefully the gr-2's will match fine for your DD/collegstudentbudget
No college for me man!! The only homework I do these days involves lots of reading here...

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I'm running Tokico Dspecs with Espelir ASD springs. To compensate for the neg rear camber I got poltec adj lateral links. For the rear suspension I also have perrin adj rear sway bar with end links and a rear strut tower bar. I love how the car handles, very balanced. In order to go with my Sti wheels I rolled my fenders.


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When your talking tokicos aren't they like 600$ vs gr-2s which are 400....
hopefully the gr-2's will match fine for your DD/collegstudentbudget
...the d-specs can be had for $525 shipped
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o rly? then thats a pretty nice deal..... especially if the fitment is just fine for both sedan and wagon...

125 more for adjustability is not bad... doesn't that make them around same price as sedan gr-2/agx's as well.

pm me who sells them for that much if you would please
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o rly? then thats a pretty nice deal..... especially if the fitment is just fine for both sedan and wagon...

125 more for adjustability is not bad... doesn't that make them around same price as sedan gr-2/agx's as well.

pm me who sells them for that much if you would please
http://www.cvrmotorsports.com/view_p...product=DSP-10
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That's were I got my Tokico Dspecs as well as my TBE, Brakes, strut tower bar. They have great prices.
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Ok, I apologize if I am asking for information that has already been disseminated in other areas, but I figure that this thread is easy to search for and other wagon owners will want to know the same info....so here goes:

1. In regards to the stock setup, it appears that there are no camber bolts in the rear, and one set already in the front? If so, adding a set to the rear will let you get well within specs, and either adding a second set to the front or using RCE plates (or other similar products) will out you well within specs on the front. Are my assumptions here correct?

2. If using RCE plates on the front, what effect do they have on ride quality?

3. MPREZYA, what were your alignment readings since you say that you had no camber issues using the sedan d-specs on your wagon?

Thanks.

Chris
Sorry for the late response I've been super busy lately and not around a computer much.

My alignment readings are -1deg front and -1.8deg and 3/32nd toe in for the rear, is what it is currently sitting at with what is on the car now. I plan on upping the camber more to -1.75 to -2deg front and -2.5deg rear with the same toe setting. I will update when I have that done if there are any issues.

When I had the prodrive and d-specs alone it was -1deg front and -1.25deg rear same toe setting.
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