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Old 02-28-2007, 05:14 PM   #1
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Default Survey: Michiganders say automakers lag in technology, fuel efficiency

Survey: Michiganders say automakers lag in technology, fuel efficiency

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Michigan residents think the biggest problem facing U.S. auto companies is that they don’t offer the best technology, including improved fuel efficiency, according to a poll released Wednesday by the Civil Society Institute, a Washington, D.C.,-based nonprofit pushing for higher fuel-efficiency standards.

The poll surveyed 1,000 Michigan residents by phone with a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

When asked to list the Top 3 problems facing the U.S. auto industry, lack of offering the best technology, including better fuel efficiency, was most cited at 60%. Over-emphasis on production of vehicles with poor fuel-efficiency, like SUVs, was second at 59% and poor U.S. auto industry vision and leadership was third at 53%.

More than 4 out of 5 poll respondents agreed that “the U.S. auto industry is in major trouble and Michigan’s economy will suffer seriously if the situation of the Big Three automakers gets even worse.”

“This survey should be a real wake-up call to Michigan's state and federal lawmakers who may mistakenly think that state residents are somehow less likely than others in the U.S. to support higher fuel efficiency standards and other auto-related curbs on global warming,” said Civil Society Institute president Pam Solo.

The Civil Society Institute advocates making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all U.S. automobiles. The Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid are the only two vehicles sold in the United States that meet this measure.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:44 PM   #2
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40 MPG? I assume that's city mileage as there should be a lot more cars out there that can achieve 40MPG on highway
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:06 PM   #3
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40 MPG? I assume that's city mileage as there should be a lot more cars out there that can achieve 40MPG on highway
There *should* be, but I believe the only others that make 40 on the highway are the diesel Volkswagens (only unsold 2006 stock available, no 2007 diesels sold in the US) and an auto Civic DX.

The Yaris and Fit come close with 39 highway, and there are a few at 38mpg (Corolla, xA).

Hell, 25-30 years ago you could get a Datsun with a carburetor that would get 50mpg...

Granted, the test method was different then.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:03 AM   #4
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There *should* be, but I believe the only others that make 40 on the highway are the diesel Volkswagens (only unsold 2006 stock available, no 2007 diesels sold in the US) and an auto Civic DX.
Yep, all recent engine technology has gone into making engines more powerful instead of more fuel efficient. Look at how engine size steadily increases while fuel economy stagnates.
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No incentive to increase fuel economy, buyers don't really care except when gas goes over $3, and CAFE hasn't changed in years. No incentive = No change
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Yep, all recent engine technology has gone into making engines more powerful instead of more fuel efficient. Look at how engine size steadily increases while fuel economy stagnates.

It isn't just about engine technology. Cars today are crammed full of new technology including new safety features. That Datsun didn't have airbags, anti lock breaks, up graded safety cage, etc. Not only that, those engines when combined with an air conditioner wouldn't accelerated faster than an 80 year old grandma using a walker. Yes, automanufactures need to produce better fuel economy technology, but comparing cars 20 years old to modern cars isn't a fair comparison.
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Airbags - 20 lbs. Anti-lock brake controller, 5-6 lbs. Safety cage - no additional weight if implemented with high-strength steel or other advanced materials.

"During 1975–84, the fuel economy of the entire light-vehicle fleet rose by 62% while vehicles became safer, far cleaner, and no less peppy. Detroit then kept on innovating, but once its success had crashed the world oil price in 1985–86, ever-better powertrains were used to make cars more muscular, not more frugal. The average new U.S. light vehicle in 2003 had 24% more weight, 93% more horsepower, and 29% faster 0–60-mph time than in 1981, but only 1% more miles per gallon. If 1981 performance had instead stayed constant, light vehicles would have become 33% more efficient, displacing more than year 2000 Persian Gulf imports." Winning the Oil Endgame - Rocky Mountain Institute
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Hell, 25-30 years ago you could get a Datsun with a carburetor that would get 50mpg...

Granted, the test method was different then.
It was a dark brown B210 that ushered me home on my first ever car ride. My mother let my grandfather talk her out of buying the Z that she wanted. DOH!
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