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Old 05-30-2002, 10:00 PM   #1
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What brand should I get? I want to really clean my car this weekend and I want to buy all the right stuff.
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:54 PM   #2
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I use Mother's clay bar and Meguire's gold something liquid wax. Works like a charm. Another wax you should consider is the Zaino. Never used them but I know lots of people on the board uses them.

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Old 05-31-2002, 12:06 AM   #3
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mother's claybar works great! it got all my rust dust of my car, but you have to wax it after.
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Old 05-31-2002, 12:29 AM   #4
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I use Zaino and I highly recommend it! Zaino offers a clay bar kit and it works very well. Just use a diluted solution of the Zaino car wash for the lubricant, and you're good to go.

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Old 05-31-2002, 03:12 AM   #5
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I use clay magic... then after that i use the 3M paste wax


works great for me!
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Old 05-31-2002, 07:25 AM   #6
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I don't think the brand of clay bar matters that much. Waxes on the other hand.............

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Old 05-31-2002, 08:51 AM   #7
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I recommend using Zaino products but it's mailorder so you won't get it by the weekend.

I just used Claymagic because that's what the local Pepboys had.

Make sure to wash your car with dish washing soap (Dawn, etc) before and after you use the clay bar. It will remove all the old wax from the finish.

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Old 05-31-2002, 06:22 PM   #8
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uuuuh, why would you want to remove all the old wax? Besides, when you claybar, you are removing all of the wax that has been contaminated anyways. Why would you want to remove wax that is already there, and working just fine? DO NOT use dishwashing soap to wash your car. use CAR SOAP. thats why they make it.

oh, and it doesnt really matter a whole lot which clay bar brand you use. you are pretty much getting the same thing with every company you go with. Wax is a different story though. For wax go with zaino if at all possible. If you are limited to just buying locally I would get Meguiars or mothers.

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Old 05-31-2002, 07:53 PM   #9
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Using a clay bar and washing with Dawn once or twice a year is a good idea to remove all sorts of contaminants from your paint.

For regular maintenance of your car, car shampoo is to be used.

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Old 05-31-2002, 08:37 PM   #10
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uuuuh, why would you want to remove all the old wax? Besides, when you claybar, you are removing all of the wax that has been contaminated anyways. Why would you want to remove wax that is already there, and working just fine? DO NOT use dishwashing soap to wash your car. use CAR SOAP. thats why they make it.

oh, and it doesnt really matter a whole lot which clay bar brand you use. you are pretty much getting the same thing with every company you go with. Wax is a different story though. For wax go with zaino if at all possible. If you are limited to just buying locally I would get Meguiars or mothers.
Ah, the things wrong with this post... where to being?

1. Removing old wax can be very useful. Maybe the wax you have is very old. Couldbe uneven, switching brands, poorly applied, etc.

2. Dishwashing soap removes old wax and various other things that car was soap does not! Try to strip wax and grease with car wash soap... you see what you get!

3. Zanzio isn't a wax, it's a acryllic polymer sealant.

But I agree about

1. All clays are the same. Sure there are slightly more abrasive ones (rare) but most clay is clay (just don't use clay not designed for cars).
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Old 05-31-2002, 09:53 PM   #11
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http://www.griotsgarage.com

i've always used griots clay bar with excellent results...

and lately, i've found zymol produts -
their wax is very, very effective!

good luck
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Old 05-31-2002, 10:19 PM   #12
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3. Zanzio isn't a wax, it's a acryllic polymer sealant.

But I agree about

1. All clays are the same. Sure there are slightly more abrasive ones (rare) but most clay is clay (just don't use clay not designed for cars).
Actually, Zaino isn't an acrylic, but it is polymer based. Klasse is a popular acrylic sealant.

I would agree that most quality clay bars are fine. I've read a lot of negative reviews of Meguiar's Clay though -- smudging, leaving residue, breaking apart, etc.

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Old 05-31-2002, 10:22 PM   #13
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i agree that clay bars all work the same. i get Mothers because it's easy to get. and i wax with Meguair's Gold Class. the end result is lovely. its so smooth its crazy.
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Old 05-31-2002, 10:28 PM   #14
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I've never seen clay bar in any store- can you just go into autozone or pep boys and get it?
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Old 05-31-2002, 10:48 PM   #15
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just take a trip to kragen's they should have the mothers clay bar.
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Old 05-31-2002, 11:31 PM   #16
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uuuuh, why would you want to remove all the old wax? Besides, when you claybar, you are removing all of the wax that has been contaminated anyways. Why would you want to remove wax that is already there, and working just fine? DO NOT use dishwashing soap to wash your car. use CAR SOAP. thats why they make it.
uhhhhh , I never said to wash with dish washing soap every time you wash your car.

When you clay bar you remove the old wax. By using dishwashing soap before and after it wil make sure all of the old wax is removed. After you re-wax your car then you use regular car wash soap.

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Old 06-01-2002, 12:33 AM   #17
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i'd have to agree with subigal....i live by griots, simply the best in my eyes. All of their products are great, the only thing i stay away from is the interior cleaner, oh, also buy in bulk if you like it, that way you save


Questions:

Has anyone ever used zymol on their subi, just waxed a 7 series bmw with it and it came out real nice, and if so how does this compare with this zanzio stuff?


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Old 06-01-2002, 02:27 AM   #18
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uhhhhh , I never said to wash with dish washing soap every time you wash your car.

When you clay bar you remove the old wax. By using dishwashing soap before and after it wil make sure all of the old wax is removed. After you re-wax your car then you use regular car wash soap.

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I'm still not knowing why you would want to remove all of the wax. The wax isn't what you are trying to get rid of when you clay bar, its all the little crap that imbeds itself in your paint when you drive around. Just claybar until the paint is smooth and you wont ever have to use dishwashing soap. The claybar will remove whatever is mucking up your paint, I don't know why you would want to remove anything else. If You end up removing wax, great, if not, great. I've just had really bad experiences using dishwashing soap ( yes, I have actually tried what you are suggesting), and I have achieved MUCH better results on my car using just a clay bar w/o dishwashing soap. The dishwashing soap stripped the wax, but also left my car all streaky and gross looking.

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Has anyone ever used zymol on their subi, just waxed a 7 series bmw with it and it came out real nice, and if so how does this compare with this zanzio stuff?
I've never used zymol on a subi, but I've used zymol on other cars before, and I wasnt INCREDIBLY impressed. it was good stuff, but its not as good as zaino in my opinion. I sort of hold zaino and griots on the same level as each other. I've seen fantastic results from both products. If I was forced at gunpoint to pick one or the other though, I would prolly go with the zaino. Thats just my personal preference though. can't really say why...
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Old 06-01-2002, 10:50 AM   #19
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I've used Zymol for a couple years - was more impressed with the paste wax than the liquid wax - but that's all I've been able to find lately. The only negative I found with the paste was that it molded/mildewed over the winter.

Haven't tried Zaino. Heard good things about Klasse.
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Old 06-01-2002, 04:04 PM   #20
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I'm still not knowing why you would want to remove all of the wax. The wax isn't what you are trying to get rid of when you clay bar, its all the little crap that imbeds itself in your paint when you drive around. Just claybar until the paint is smooth and you wont ever have to use dishwashing soap. The claybar will remove whatever is mucking up your paint, I don't know why you would want to remove anything else. If You end up removing wax, great, if not, great. I've just had really bad experiences using dishwashing soap ( yes, I have actually tried what you are suggesting), and I have achieved MUCH better results on my car using just a clay bar w/o dishwashing soap. The dishwashing soap stripped the wax, but also left my car all streaky and gross looking.
Do you wax your car after you clay bar? If so, why not remove all the old wax before doing so?

My point is that when you clay bar a vehicle you are already removing some of the old wax. By using dish washing soap before and after using the clay bar, the finish of the car will be wax free. That way you can start with a clean slate when you apply the new wax.

If your car looked streaky and gross after washing with dish washing soap then you must have used a different type of soap.

Email Zaino if you don't believe me. They'll say the same thing.

BTW, I've been using Zaino for about 4 years and I also professionally detailed cars for 3-1/2 years. I know a little about this stuff.

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Old 06-11-2002, 12:53 AM   #21
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My brother did that too his car a little while ago...he came home from college for the weekend about two weeks later...the car hadn't been washed in the interim and looked freshly detailed. It amazed me...the paint felt like glass..
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Old 06-11-2002, 01:16 AM   #22
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I'm still not knowing why you would want to remove all of the wax....
Itís really a simple answer. If you have linoleum floors, would you just wax over the floor after cleaning it? You could, but after a while it looks like junk. You are just sealing in the old wax, and building up layers on top of it. If you strip, and then wax, you are starting with a "clean slate". This is why you want to strip, clay, and then wax. You are then protect your paint, and not bits and pieces of old yellowing wax (or in the case of Zaino, corrorided polymer)
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Old 06-11-2002, 01:39 AM   #23
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Clay Magic followed by 5-Star. 5-Star is an incredible product. Supposed to last for 5 years. PFTE based product to which nothing will stick to. Found it on the "Links" page, and decided to try it. Kind of a pain to apply, but has worked perfectly so far. I wash with water only, and everything comes off usually with the 1st rinse. Everything not taken off with the hose comes off with a slight rub with the mitt. Even Tar!
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Old 06-11-2002, 01:05 PM   #24
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Question where? how?

I live in an apartment complex so I'm forced to go to a DIY car wash and bring a bucket, mitt, chamois, and towels. I just got my WRX 3 weeks ago. Although I can get it clean after I wash it, it seems the wax is mostly worn off. I rub my hand on the paint surface and some sections squeak and some are smooth. I've never waxed a car, unless you count the auto car wash wax spray that you pay an extra $5 for.

Do any of you guys also go to a DIY car wash? If so, do you wax your car there or wait til you get home? About how long does it take to wax including waiting time? I know it depends on the product used and other factors, but I'm just wondering what some of you people do.

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Old 06-11-2002, 01:44 PM   #25
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Has there ever been a thread on here (or other source) that gives you the ins and outs and do's and don't of washing/waxing/etc?

I'm just curious. The only vehicle(s) I ever owned that I acutally "cared" about was my bikes and I used S100 on them.

I know I have one bumper spot and one minor scratch in three weeks that need attention now. I just don't know the particularts of "first wax coat" and "how to use a clay bar" and all that "car cleaning nut" stuff.

Any threads of note or pointers?

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