learning how to properly tune

WTFchuck · 12-29-2007, 04:56 PM

i know some stuff by watching my tuner tune my car, well i'd like to get into it but i want to learn more like, what timing does and wastegate duty cycles and stuff like that... is there a place i can go to read up on this stuff?

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drkramm · 12-29-2007, 05:29 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Perf...612055-0998565

gabedude · 12-29-2007, 08:21 PM

Get the Book by Jeff Hartman. Period.

williaty · 12-30-2007, 01:37 AM

I was actually MUCH more impressed by Engine Management: Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish than I was by the Hartman book (I own both, both are worth owning).

ExpO · 12-30-2007, 04:02 AM

If you're cheap, and just looking for basic info, Cobb has some pdf's on their forums.

gabedude · 12-30-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ExpO

If you're cheap, and just looking for basic info, Cobb has some pdf's on their forums.

Mick the Ginge's UTEC giude is much better.

gabedude · 12-30-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by williaty

I was actually MUCH more impressed by Engine Management: Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish than I was by the Hartman book (I own both, both are worth owning).

That book is more about tuning it seems. Hartman covers so much info besides just tuning (real theory is in there). I'll have to check the Greg Banish book out to see what info it is mising or has added over Hartman.

From one of the customer reviews:

Quote:

This book was a disappointment. The overview of EFI was fine, but the advanced tuning section was very thin. The author never got into any concrete tuning advice but just kept stressing to "give the engine what it wants". The rest of the book was spent on general EFI info that can be had for free by downloading Holley's tuning manual for the Commander 950 system.

From the other reviews it seems that it would be a good beginner book. Hell, most of the stuff in the Hartman book I already knew anyway.

WTFchuck · 12-30-2007, 11:56 AM

thanks guys, i ordered the greg banish book, and may order the hartman book as well

mickeyd2005 · 12-30-2007, 12:49 PM

I learned how to tune Subarus using Mick the ginge's utec guide plus merchgod's (Tea cups) stickies on enginuity.

Freon · 12-30-2007, 12:53 PM

http://freon.shackspace.com/car/ecu%...ing/books.html

williaty · 12-30-2007, 03:37 PM

The Hartman book is good background info. I agree that it doesn't cover nearly enough actual tuning advice and practical theory as most of us on here are probably looking for. However, if you're someone who already understands carbureted tuning, the Hartman book would be a good stepping off point to EFI.

WTFchuck · 12-30-2007, 04:50 PM

enginuitys site is down

williaty · 12-30-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WTFchuck

enginuitys site is down

Welcome to 2007

If you need the software:

http://www.ken-gilbert.com/wrx/enginuity/

gabedude · 12-31-2007, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by williaty

The Hartman book is good background info. I agree that it doesn't cover nearly enough actual tuning advice and practical theory as most of us on here are probably looking for. However, if you're someone who already understands carbureted tuning, the Hartman book would be a good stepping off point to EFI.

Yeah it does help to understand carbs and carb tuning first before reading his book. He explains carb tuning as well, which is also nice. An engine is simply an air pump. With EFI, you just have more control over the full operating range of the engine than you do with a carb.

dynamix · 01-01-2008, 05:06 AM

I grew up tuning carbs (old git that i am) - that book is very useful for translating carb tuning to EFI.

ExpO · 01-04-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabedude

Mick the Ginge's UTEC giude is much better.

This?

http://www.spryracing.com/FAQS/techn...2004-notes.pdf

mickeyd2005 · 01-04-2008, 01:42 PM

This is his 2007 update.

http://www.mickandsarah.com/wrx/UTEC...Deux-notes.pdf

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williaty Scooby Guru Member#: 71092 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Delaware County, Ohio Vehicle: 2005 2.5RS Wagon Regal Blue Pearl	The Hartman book is good background info. I agree that it doesn't cover nearly enough actual tuning advice and practical theory as most of us on here are probably looking for. However, if you're someone who already understands carbureted tuning, the Hartman book would be a good stepping off point to EFI.

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WTFchuck Scooby Newbie Member#: 125704 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Tampa, florida Vehicle: 2008 evo x gg	enginuitys site is down

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dynamix Scooby Newbie Member#: 122603 Join Date: Aug 2006	I grew up tuning carbs (old git that i am) - that book is very useful for translating carb tuning to EFI.

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mickeyd2005 Scooby Newbie Member#: 122595 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Vehicle: 2005 LGT Wagon ABP	This is his 2007 update. http://www.mickandsarah.com/wrx/UTEC...Deux-notes.pdf