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Old 01-28-2008, 01:14 PM   #1201
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Do you have any experiences w/ Amsoil gear lube ... good/bad?

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I'm actually going to order some this week.

I've had very good luck with their ATF and have had many customers happy with the quality of their oils so I figure I'll give it a test in my trans to see how it holds up.


jhargis- syncromesh is formulated for transmissions that use ATF or regular motor oil (GM,Ford,Honda,etc), it doesn't have the lubrication qualities that regular gear lube does. As for the stink, you should see what happens when they burn up

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Old 01-28-2008, 06:13 PM   #1202
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Yeah agreed.

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...hypoid diffs where power is transferred at a 90 degree angle... this type of gearing produces MUCH higher loads in between gear teeth. You can use ATF, motor oil, synchromesh and a bunch of other lighter oils in standard 2wd transmissions without adverse effects... The subaru is different...
^Synchromesh doesn't have those high pressure additives that you want for a hypoid diff. I was already hinting at that in an earlier post.

You mentioned that it is bad for brass baulk rings... All I'm saying is that it is no worse than any other 75w90 as far as corrosion goes. If anything, the higher sulfur content of most 75w90 gear lubes is probably worse than synchromesh.

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Old 01-28-2008, 06:26 PM   #1203
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What’s the warrantee, …“if hypothetically if it degenerates & causes premature failure”, w/ Uncle Scotty’s Cocktail?

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Old 01-28-2008, 08:28 PM   #1204
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Is that a serious question?

Warranty from Subaru: none because it's not GL-5 (and it will be glaringly obvious there's something "different" in your transmission)
Warranty from U. Scotty: you might get scolded, but some people are into that
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:36 PM   #1205
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I'd like to ask that all the talk about other mixtures, other fluids, general non-cocktail discussion go elsewhere. Create your own thread with your own discussion and own insights about fluids. If you have actual related information to Uncle Scotty's Cocktail, post it, good or bad. But this thread has gone so far to hell in the last few pages that it's a candidate for off-topic at this point.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:48 AM   #1206
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Is that a serious question?


Warranty from U. Scotty: you might get scolded, but some people are into that
muhahahahahahaa
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:57 AM   #1207
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I have about 70k miles on my 02 WRX. I can't get my car into 1st in a roll and Reverse always resists, not to mention a stiff 2nd gear. Am I ready for the Cocktail of:

1qt Redline lightweight shockproof
1qt Pennzoil Synchromesh
2qt Castrol HypoyC 80w-90

Is my tranny too high mileage for this?

How hard is it to replace this yourself? Anyone have directions?

What about the differential fluid any comments?
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...juust do it....and remember.....do NOT dump 4 qt in the tranny!!!!!!!!

That WILL overfill it---bad juju.

Add ~3.3 - 3.4...drive the car---check....repeat a couple times....make SURE it isn't too much before ya add more.

Add the lube SLOWLY into the dipstick tube or you WILL get more UNDER the car than IN the tranny

...and the rear diff can use GL-5 whatever.....I'd use a syn like M1
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Piece of cake.
1. Put car up on jackstands or a lift
2. Remove drain plug and drain old fluid. Reinstall drain plug.
(now would be a good time to do the rear diff, too)
3. Lower car and add new fluid via a funnel in the dipstick tube.
4. Make sure not to overfill, I believe the tranny holds less than 4QT total.



Pretty simple, too. While you still have the car up in the air to do the tranny/front diff (same fluid, flows between the two) do the rear.
1. Remove FILL plug. (You don't want to drain the fluid THEN find out you can't get the fill plug out.)
2. Remove drain plug and let fluid drain. Clean the fill plug while the fluid drains, there's a magnet in it that will have metal filings on it.
3. Reinstall drain plug and carefully add fluid through the fill hole. This part is a bit of a pain because of the location of the fill hole. Holds less than a QT (about .8 I think) Fill until the fluid is just at the bottom of the fill hole.
4. Reinstall fill plug.


Ok then, if the tranny holds less than 4Qts of fluid, which fluid do you add the least of?????

And I thought that the Scotties cocktail was all redline fluids???
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:15 AM   #1208
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You need to put the hypoy-C in last.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:10 AM   #1209
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Ok then, if the tranny holds less than 4Qts of fluid, which fluid do you add the least of?????

And I thought that the Scotties cocktail was all redline fluids???
read the OP

Add one bottle of Shock, then one bottle of Synch, then add hypoy until full (not 2 full quarts so watch it).
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:42 AM   #1210
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I'd like to ask that all the talk about other mixtures, other fluids, general non-cocktail discussion go elsewhere. Create your own thread with your own discussion and own insights about fluids. If you have actual related information to Uncle Scotty's Cocktail, post it, good or bad. But this thread has gone so far to hell in the last few pages that it's a candidate for off-topic at this point.
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There is no light without dark, hot without cold.

Discussions of other fluids is an excellent way to qualify the cocktail, and adds to the discussion. Besides, there really nothing left to say about the cocktail, is there? So unless we compare/contrast/consider other fluids, this thread is destined for page 320.

That being said, I haven't ever seen/heard anyone on NASIOC talk about the molylube 75W90 synthetic fluid. (not that I'm specifically trying to start that discussion now).
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:14 AM   #1211
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As the thread gets longer and longer, it loses value as it's rather simple message is harder to find and more people come in asking questions that have already been answered because reading the thread is too hard.

If the thread is about Uncle Scotty's Cocktail, then discuss it here. Discuss other cocktails or other fluids elsewhere. It's not exactly hard to start your own thread. There's a whole forum to discuss them.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:29 PM   #1212
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Keep in mind a lot of people are talking about mixes that use major ingrediants of Scotty's "Cocktail."

Sure I've been a little off topic... but I've been on the topic of synchromesh, which as far as I can tell is the ingrediant that most improves the cocktail's shift quality.

Here's my breakdown, at least the way I see it. I'll go ahead and speak at the risk of Scotty scolding me because I don't have that chemistry degree or the years of experience in the oil industry that he must have (or does he?).

-The hypoy-c is the dino "base" ingrediant. It's a brand name (castrol), and in Scotty's estimation appeared to be the best dino base for shift quality.
-Redline synthetics (shockproof) are in there because redline says their product has shock absorbing properties + it gives the cocktail that synthetic flare. Maybe this is correct, maybe it's marketing. I have seen no proof either way.
-Synchromesh improves the shift quality because it is designed specifically to make synchros work better, arguably at the cost of thinning the oil and diluting the additives needed for proper lubrication of hypoid diffs.

Heck I use synchromesh in a mix too. Do I do this at my own risk? Yup. I try to keep it down to 2 ingrediants (sm and valvolene dino) and it's in a 1:3 ratio. I wouldn't say "Don't use the cocktail!" It just comes down to individual car, individual driver preferences, and the (hopefully educated) risk the driver is willing to take.

If others have experience with certain cocktail ingrediants in other mixes, their info might give us all insight into the purpose that each cocktail ingrediant serves, and the risks each may pose. That's not off topic at all.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:59 PM   #1213
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Werd I say, werd
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:06 PM   #1214
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well just wanted to say i've been using the cocktail for 2 weeks now on a 06 wrx with 15,500 miles now with 16,000 miles and so far it shifted better than ever. oh stage 2 also. thanks Dooood!
oh thanks to Grimmspeed also for the lube! fast shipping, easy transaction and just cool guy.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:12 PM   #1215
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As the thread gets longer and longer, it loses value...
how does that make any sence at all ???

personaly...I've always thought the opposite ...call me crazzy
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:19 PM   #1216
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well just wanted to say i've been using the cocktail for 2 weeks now on a 06 wrx with 15,500 miles now with 16,000 miles and so far it shifted better than ever. oh stage 2 also. thanks Dooood!
oh thanks to Grimmspeed also for the lube! fast shipping, easy transaction and just cool guy.
Risky business. Looks like you care not for your warranty.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:33 PM   #1217
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When's the last time Subaru honored a warranty claim for a transmission in a stage two car anyway?
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:30 PM   #1218
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fwiw, i personally used the cocktail for about 65,000 miles before grimmspeed was even born. the gear box was in perfect condition the day i sold the car. i put alot of abuse on her too. i did go through 3 clutches but gears held fine and still shifted like butter.

generally i prefer real life testing vs. what the books say.

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Old 01-29-2008, 05:24 PM   #1219
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^^ I see the real life failures of those tests daily
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:25 PM   #1220
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Yet there seems to be no solid proof idther way if the cocktail is good or bad. Besides opinion.
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^^ I see the real life failures of those tests daily
You really should provide proof to your claims. So we can be properly informed and...

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get the truth out there about the cocktal

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Old 01-29-2008, 06:25 PM   #1221
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^^ I see the real life failures of those tests daily
Are you saying you have seen cases of this cocktail causing failure or just a general comment towards driver error?


(btw, you have a misspell on your Aboutus page)

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Old 01-29-2008, 07:04 PM   #1222
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Why would you put anything ie cocktail, synthetic or cooking oil when the Manual Clearly states NOT to mix gear lubes?

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Old 01-29-2008, 07:18 PM   #1223
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strohausii- The failures I've seen is due to the cocktail aka excessive wear due to corrosion.

iamcgr- it's very hard to show the wear in pictures, I've described it very well in previous posts and also explained the difficulty in photographing it.

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Old 01-29-2008, 07:24 PM   #1224
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One more time folks... There are different options for different people. You just have to weigh the risks and benefits, be a grown up and make a decision based on:

1. Your personal Preference
2. Your definition of acceptable shift quality
3. You car's model, age, specific quirks, modifications and warranty status

And always accept that one solution that works for others may not work for you. Heck, there may be differences from car to car even using one of many fluids that meet factory recommendations (gl-5 75w90 includes a lot of different brands/types). You may have to try a few different oils and/or mixes to really find what you like. If you are a real car enthusiast, you may even enjoy this process!

Scenarios where a cocktail could be fine to use for shifting quality:

- You weigh the risks and figure there are A LOT less front diff failures than there are synchro failures. And The stock fluid shifts like crap, so why not? The car has more than 60k so the synchros are starting to show some age, and you're out of warranty anyway.

-Old trans with lots of synchro wear and lots of miles... mights as well get a few extra miles out of those tired suby synchros and if the diff blows up and gears wear down to little nubs, then oh well, she's had a good run.

-You live on the edge baby! Screw them fogies on NASIOC and screw SOA if they deny your warranty. Throw caution to the wind and enjoy your shifts!

Scenarios where you should stay away from oil cocktails:

-You want even a 1% chance of ever getting a transmission warranty claim approved. Period.

-5mts seem to differ from unit to unit, and your trans shifts fine on the stock fluid. Don't fix it if it aint broke. Put some fresh stuff in there every 30k and enjoy the money you save.

-You like to err on the side of caution. Why risk putting in something that is not recommended by the manufacturer?
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:52 PM   #1225
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Ok ive never gotten around to trying the cocktail and now i dont think i going to (no offense to whoever cares).

I saw you say that something about redline turning to gel in cold? Is redline not good to use either if i were to just use it by itself?
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