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Old 07-07-2008, 12:39 AM   #26
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What do you plan to do in the way of engine management?
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Old 07-07-2008, 04:00 AM   #27
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Hi Mate, probaly a LInk pluss, i have used link on my old car and although it was a very early model ECU , as engine got upgraded they [link] were only to happy to upgrade it to suit, and i had exellent dealings with them, and the Bonus of course is their local .
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:18 AM   #28
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A question for the knowlegable masses.
a good freind of mine is seriously considering joining me with my project, and as such we have been discussing all sorts of options etc and talking about the opposition we will be encountering track side.
now i have heard that
1/, the EG 33 shares same piston rod combo as the EJ 22, is this 100% correct
2/, if so can we fit said EJ 22 pistons rods etc to the 33 to lower comp to allow for a turbo set up.
3/ would it be more expediant to go after market forged pistons and better rods, if so where can they be purchased from
and finaly
4/ what sort of numbers can we be expected to acheive without going mega stupid.
it is a race car, but to win first you must finnish, so reliability is of a high priority, no point in having huge hp if you can only last half a race.
look foward to some constructive ideas
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:47 AM   #29
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You can drop EJ22 lower compression piston and any turbo EJ rod in as well...of course asking me I'll say to go with custom pistons, and a longer rod...or do like one customer I have right now and sleeve and stroke it

A reasonable, easy 600whp with a broad tq curve shouldn't be an issue at all! I would actually leave the CR a bit higher and run less boost. To help maintain a flatter tq curve, higher combustion/fuel efficiency and keep stress somewhat minimized on the engine.

Regardless, it will be easy to shatter those factory gears

I like the project and thanks for sharing!

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:04 AM   #30
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Still cold wet and miserable, god i hate winter, still it means i cant mow the lawn so might as well spend the time in the shed doing proper work.
got the gear shifter all installed, still have to mount the rear of the main rod and fit a uni to transfer angle back to rear of trans but thats the easy bit, just have to get a length of rod and another rose joint and thats it, to
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The shifter is a copy of a McLaren one, from a M8 CanAm car, very simple and direct, should do the job admerably well.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:28 AM   #31
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well its been quite a productive weekend , sorted the gearshift out yesterday and today i fixed a problem that has been bugging me for weeks, and that was, with the engine in place with the half shafts square with uprights, i couldnt get No 5 plug out with out either 1/ pulling the engine out, or 2/ making the LHS diagonal removeable, what i wound up doing was moving the whole engine box assy foward 50mm and all problems fixed. its still tight but it dose come out freely. added bonus is it will transfer a little more weight foward, probly not alot but evey little bit helps.



it means i will have to fabricate new engine mounts , but was going to have to do that anyway as they differ slightly from the EJ mount pattern.
and as i have changed from a 4wd box to a 2wd box which has a smaller rear housing, [no extra diff] i had to re engineer the rear mount to one at the rear of the box, instead of the two , one on each side as for the 4wd box.



the only concern is i now have approx 4 deg of angle on my half shafts but from what i've heard that shouldn't pose to much of a problem.



any thoughts
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:23 AM   #32
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:25 AM   #33
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whats different about the eg33 mounts? where if bolts to the crossmember or how the mounts bolt to the motor? i was under the impression that they bolted right up to normal EJ series crossmembers.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:06 AM   #34
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The difference between the two is where they bolt to the engine, the EJ has two bolts and the EG has three, and as mine is solid mounted i am only using the top plate off the mount with a solid fixture welded to it supporting it, instead of the rubber block.
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:57 PM   #35
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This is an amazing build...great job and look forward to more updates.

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Old 07-15-2008, 03:08 AM   #36
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Thanks Ryan glad you like it, i will endeavour to keep you all updated as work progresses, but at the moment its at the stage where a lot of time is spent, with little to show for it.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:00 PM   #37
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Very interesting project! I have aspired for some time to build an EG33 powered mid-engined space-frame style race car weighing under 550 kg, but time and money are always an issue for me. I look forward to seeing the progress on your project.

Eventually when I build mine I will keep it naturally aspirated just for the aural experience alone! It's an amazing sounding engine...

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Old 07-18-2008, 04:36 AM   #38
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Bob, hi and thanks for the kind words, we have bantered around the Turbo option but i tend to think like you and keep things natural, as a good freind of mine often says " turbos are like silicon T#ts yeh sure there impressive, but you no there not real".
i have had a good long talk to Kev down at Kelford cams, and he beleives with some more compression , some head work and the right cams 300whp is not impossible, and that would make this thing a rocket ship sounds good to me
BTW when you get around to building something give me a call, i have everything for mine on CAD if your interested.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:02 PM   #39
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I have had a good long talk to Kev down at Kelford cams, and he beleives with some more compression , some head work and the right cams 300whp is not impossible, and that would make this thing a rocket ship sounds good to me
BTW when you get around to building something give me a call, i have everything for mine on CAD if your interested.
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About 2 years back we shipped some EG33 cams to Kelford from the states. They said there wasn't much they could do with them in terms of aggressive regrinds, but unfortunately billets were not cost-effective to produce either. So we ended up sending them to Web cams, and they welded and re-ground them based on the flow test results from the heads. The inlet ports flow very well in stock form BTW, but the exhaust side needs some work! And they love high valve lift, we're running over 11mm on both sides. If you invest in decent headwork and cams, plus higher compression, you should have no trouble hitting your mark. We got 292 whp from an EG33 with a stock shortblock, custom exhaust, and Autronic management. Shift points at 8200 rpms BTW...

The Web cams are admittedly quite aggressive, but they really woke things up! If you want more details on the exact combination, let me know.

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Old 07-18-2008, 04:29 PM   #40
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Thanks for that Bob , i will be in touch, re Cams when the time comes.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:49 PM   #41
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Get a set of any of the forged pistons (wiseco, cp, je whatever, all about the same price.)

As for rods, STI rods are plentiful and plenty strong, and are the same as the stock ej22 rods.
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:08 AM   #42
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As for rods, STI rods are plentiful and plenty strong, and are the same as the stock ej22 rods
sounds good, what year and model STI do i look for.
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ECU tune sells complete eg33 Long Blocks with forged internals.
http://www.ecutune.com/svx_longblock.htm
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After much trial and error i can now change gears from the cockpit , its not 100% but it dose work, i used a couple of old uni joints out of a 1/2 inch drive socket set, and they work fine but unfortunately have a little to much side movement in them, so will have to try and source some small steering uni;s from somewhere.
but at least the concept works









i might wind up upgrading the control tube to 5/8 or even 3/4 just to give it some more strength and a more positive feel
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:20 AM   #45
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:14 PM   #46
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Have you thought about replacing those with trunnions with needle bearings? IIRC you can pick some up cheap, and coupled with a few bolts and saddle washers you'd be set.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:35 AM   #47
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Have you thought about replacing those with trunnions with needle bearings? IIRC you can pick some up cheap,
mate thats exactly what i'm searching for , and if you can tell me where i can get them cheap i'll be indebted to you, as down here they want an arm and both legs for them, because there imported from over there.
i only need two
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:43 AM   #48
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That thing needs a PPG FWD Dogbox!
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That thing is SICK!
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mate thats exactly what i'm searching for , and if you can tell me where i can get them cheap i'll be indebted to you, as down here they want an arm and both legs for them, because there imported from over there.
i only need two
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I believe McMaster has them. Take a look at mcmaster.com page 1152 of the online catalog. If that price is more agreeable to you, but you have trouble getting them then just shout and we'll figure out a way to get some to you.
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