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Old 09-22-2008, 11:43 PM   #26
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good writeup, once i look into a bov i'll look at this thread
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:28 AM   #27
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Nice writeup thanks dave
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Old 09-23-2008, 02:05 AM   #28
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Great Writeup!!
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:05 AM   #29
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I made FAQs long before him.

And his FAQs are so out of date, its not even funny. Unfortunately he is just too busy to keep them updated, and as new things are discovered, and things change over the years, they become less and less useful. The other problem is that his FAQs are based on a compliation of posts on nasioc, AND his own knowledge. The unfortunate reality is that much of the stuff in his FAQs, is based on things that were never correct to begin with, because a lot of the threads the info came from, were wrong to begin with.


If his FAQs were working, there wouldnt be nearly the problems that there are. The problem is that his FAQs dont get straight to the point, and dump out a bunch of tech info that many people just dont understand or take the time to bother reading. This FAQ was made for ONE purpose. To get straight to the point, and try to squash some of the myths.


Not to mention that I know more about it the things I write FAQs on. 20 years automotive experience teaches you a few things
Have you considered adding this stuff to WikiNASIOC? Wiki provides a method for passing on this kind of knowledge without the permission restriction that exists now.

In this case, Unabomber's original information could have been corrected and the most up to date information could be in place.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:22 AM   #30
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Have you considered adding this stuff to WikiNASIOC? Wiki provides a method for passing on this kind of knowledge without the permission restriction that exists now.

In this case, Unabomber's original information could have been corrected and the most up to date information could be in place.

Dont get me wrong, his FAQs are a huge help. They just need some tweaking to stay current. A lot has changed and much of the info in them is off a bit and in some cases, no longer true at all.

And like I said, I think they are a bit too techy and dont get right to the heart of the issue of directly addressing the common misconceptions on things like intakes and BOVs.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:25 AM   #31
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So you are saying that if you are running under 22psi than having a fancy aftermarket BOV is pretty much useless except for the noise? Thats good to know because I certainly don't want to shell out 200+ dollars just for some noise. My car will be loud enough as is! Besides I like the idea of having a sleeper
Yes and no. I have seen stock valves leak at 17PSI on a TD04
But in general, they can be trusted to at least 20PSI. Most will hold up to around 22PSI or so. If you are running 22PSI or higher, you should seriously consider upgrading. If you dont want noise, go to something like the APS recirc, or even better, the HKS Race valve. However that HKS is about 500 bucks. But its ROCK solid.

If you are running a big setup, you likely wouldnt hear a VTA valve anyway. I had a 20G with an EWG on my FXT for a while, and you couldnt even hear the bov when I shifted.
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:21 PM   #32
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Dont get me wrong, his FAQs are a huge help. They just need some tweaking to stay current. A lot has changed and much of the info in them is off a bit and in some cases, no longer true at all.

And like I said, I think they are a bit too techy and dont get right to the heart of the issue of directly addressing the common misconceptions on things like intakes and BOVs.
What I was getting at is that Wiki is a better way to do this than having two threads.
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Old 09-23-2008, 02:57 PM   #33
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this is EXACTLY what NASIOC needed. i dont know why you waited so long.

"they suck"/"they're fine"/"they run make you run SUPER rich"/"the rich is not bad"

on and on and on. but my Turbo-xs type-h is on now. i am only running one washer..since i couldnt find anywhere that'd explain how-to and ehem..davenow didnt respond to my pm about how to set it up..lol.

i had zero to begin with. learned about washers. bought some. put in three. didnt i hear the chufffchchch sound and got concerned about the all might compressor surge..so i took out two..no more chuffin'..i still dont know 100% if it's proper.

maybe you could post a vid of a properly venting BOV??? please..please..

or i can just post a vid of mine up and you tell me if it's fine.

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Old 09-23-2008, 03:01 PM   #34
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There have been 2 reasons I've been speaking against BOVs for the past few years.

1. Many have issues with leaking boost.

2. Loud BOVs are gaudy. People who have them (IE TXS RFLs, Greddy RS) are just after attention. Unfortunately they don't real that it's NEGATIVE attention that they are getting. While they think they are cool, everyone is rolling their eyes at them knowing they are just another ricer.

#2 is entirely your opinion though. not EVERYONE thinks its rice. and as davenow said..and im almost sure many agree..let people enjoy their cars..instead of building it for others to enjoy.
and how would anyone really know if that bov on that car is because he IS running 25 pounds of boost? an exhaust?

but i run a bov..so maybe im a loser.
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:04 PM   #35
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A BOV would bump my LGT from SSA to SPB. Who needs that?

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Old 09-23-2008, 03:40 PM   #36
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#2 is entirely your opinion though. not EVERYONE thinks its rice. and as davenow said..and im almost sure many agree..let people enjoy their cars..instead of building it for others to enjoy.
and how would anyone really know if that bov on that car is because he IS running 25 pounds of boost? an exhaust?

but i run a bov..so maybe im a loser.
I run 25 lbs of boost, and have a quiet BPV. Not that I could hear it anyways, for the same reason that Dave stated in his last post. An obnoxious, loud BoV really does serve no purpose aside from getting attention, this is irrefutable.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:00 PM   #37
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.davenow didnt respond to my pm about how to set it up..lol.
Yeah that davenow guy is a tool.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:11 PM   #38
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^^ yeah, +1 to that.
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #39
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BTW poetic, put one more washer back in. if you got nothing at 1, and surge at 3, I bet 2 is perfect.

Remember, a little surge is ok.

What boost pressure were you at when you got the surge sound?
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:54 PM   #40
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same here
*cough unabomber

I've got a hell of a lot of respect for the Unabomber, but his FAQ takes a different approach, and doesn't cover it as concisely as Dave just did. Everyone knows (should know at least) about his FAQs, but I guarantee most will learn more of what they NEED to know from this.



I don't see you spending an hour + on a single post to help people and dispell some myths
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Old 09-23-2008, 05:10 PM   #41
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Exactly. I dont mean this FAQ to come off as me acting like Una doesnt know his stuff.

But people REALLY need to get over their mindset that just because he wrote a bunch of FAQs, that somehow this means that he knows everything. The fact that he took the time to make them, doesnt mean that ANYTHING in them is true or that he has any idea what he is talking about.
IThe reality is that other than some outdated info, they ARE true, and he DOES know his stuff. But the existance of the FAQs doesnt prove this. Its like Newbie or Guru status. It doesnt mean you actually know or dont know anything.

I could have a homeless guy that has never owned a car write a bunch of FAQs. Does that mean he knows what he is doing?

Ron knows his stuff, but so do MANY others, some know more, some know less. But he is far from the only game in town when it comes to knowledge. And like I said, I feel his FAQs end up going right over the head of many people. They are a LOT of info, and with us all being a bunch of ADD'd out nuts, it only makes sense to make a cliff notes sized FAQ that hits the key points hard and fast.


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Spent 6 years in the Army reserves as a light wheeled vehicle mechanic (everything up to a 5 ton)



So I am not just some kid talking out my @. I dont know everything, far from it. But I like to think I have SOME idea what I am talking about.
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yes, children.... let's not begin a school-yard fight b/n davenow and unabomber.

a.) Ron loves this place and spent a lot of HIS time helping the rest of us have a "one-stop shop" for common info. He has contributed a lot.
b.) Ron would not have purposely put out any bad info. He worked with what he had at the time and some things have been changed and/or thought of differently since.
c.) Dave took the time to put some new things in the mix and did it well.
What's the problem? The rest of us STILL all win!
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Old 09-23-2008, 07:45 PM   #43
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Davenow was the first person to jump my ass when I got on Nasioc....about BOV's. Good info in this thread.
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Ya know, if you only emailed or PM'd me, I can change my FAQ. Every FAQ has the following at the bottom "If you find an error in this FAQ, please PM me with factual details and I will update this post." Now when I get a change I'll update my post.
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Ya know, if you only emailed or PM'd me, I can change my FAQ. Every FAQ has the following at the bottom "If you find an error in this FAQ, please PM me with factual details and I will update this post." Now when I get a change I'll update my post.

Well, it's a good thing that you have the power to do JUST THAT and delete this thread, and then 2 great minds can merge and we can live happily ever after
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:56 PM   #46
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BOVs make you a ricer just like owning an SRT-4 makes you a retard.
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:30 AM   #47
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Yeah that davenow guy is a tool.
i only mentioned that since in my bov thread you said "heck...even pm me.. i'll teach you how to set it up properly.." something along that line. i kinda took your word for it since i couldnt get a definite answer as people were arguing whether or not to run a bov when i had asked how to tune my bov.
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Seriously?

Was this thread really needed?
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Seriously?

Was this thread really needed?
Not really. People seem to do what they want regardless of what others say. If someone wants a BOV they are probably going to get. Needed or not.
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Well, it's a good thing that you have the power to do JUST THAT and delete this thread, and then 2 great minds can merge and we can live happily ever after
Yes, that's what I'm sayin'. Win-win.
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