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10-09-2008, 01:44 PM | #276 |
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Since one of tenets of this post/philosophy seems to be getting rides in other people's setups before deciding, I have to emphasize that.
Just this past weekend, I got a ride in a twin scroll VF37 car. Spearco/intake/TBE. Nothing exotic or huge really and I'll admit that it felt a lot faster than I would have expected and almost had me reaching for the O.S. handles. Keep in mind this is basically the same power as a VF39. It's a car that was just well set up, well planned, pretty much perfectly tuned, and very well driven. All of that combined made for a much faster car than I'd have anticipated. This is coming from someone who has 75+ whp over this car, and I was amazed. Numbers are just numbers, and they don't do much to tell you about the car itself. Get rides, drive any car you can, and just get empirical evidence of what you think you want, then go for it.
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10-09-2008, 01:55 PM | #277 |
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True. My hybrid twinscroll has maybe not much over 300 whp, but it's a monster to drive with the fat power band.
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10-09-2008, 01:57 PM | #278 |
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10-09-2008, 04:58 PM | #279 | |
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Should make@20whp more and hold a little more up top. Which would make the car nutty. Especially since like 7 out of 10 twin scroll cars are running an EJ207 with an 8k redline |
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10-09-2008, 04:59 PM | #280 |
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I have vf37 hybrid with a 44 lbs. Garrett wheel. Pretty much real 1825F clone (unlike some "clones" that have 18g wheel). Never dynoed, but pulls like a train.
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10-09-2008, 05:04 PM | #281 |
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That has to be nuts. I really dont like hybrids that are that extreme (that is a 20G wheel in a housing for a 35lb wheel, which is the same size as a normal 16G wheel) but there arent really other options that I know of.
Actually, IS the VF37 a 35lb wheel? I wonder if its like a 37lb wheel or something. I know the VF37 has nothing to do with the wheel being 37lbs. I am just "thinking out loud" here, because the twin scroll shouldnt make any more peak power, but they sure as hell feel like a good solid 15-20whp over the single scroll cars. I would expect the same peak whp, just a lot wider and more TQ. But they seem to put down a bit more peak as well. Unless the twin scroll hot side breathes that much better... How much bigger is that hot side (physically)? its been years since I looked at one up close. |
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Hot side breaths better, that's the common explanation for more peak power.
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10-09-2008, 05:45 PM | #283 |
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400whp psh aint nothing im a 600whp fan boy
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10-09-2008, 07:45 PM | #285 |
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Great Post!
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10-23-2008, 01:31 PM | #287 |
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Well we have a car running almost about 390whp on pump gas on the original block and heads (Ej255) without any issues for about 10k miles now.
This is a good post, most people don't realize how much it takes to get to the 400whp mark and what they sacrifice to do it. -Dylan @ DS1 |
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10-25-2008, 11:37 AM | #289 | |
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1. What type of dyno? 2. It should be noted that 390whp lasting that long is not super common. Most people dont have the amount of tuning into it to make it work. And not every tuner is capable of it. Hell man, most arent |
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10-25-2008, 12:42 PM | #290 |
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1. mustang dyno.
2. Thanks -Dylan @ DS1 |
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that's damn impressive.
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11-01-2008, 06:30 PM | #293 |
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ok this thread seem's very worthless you Do not need a FMIC to get 400whp (front mount intercooler) for the newbies
Nor do you need a Intake but it does help turbo injectors tgv deletes and maybe a bigger tmic crush the bpv and a good tune with meth and your at 400whp and should run 11.8's all day. |
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You don't HAVE to have an intake or FMIC, but you SHOULD. It's been proven that with a FMIC you can run more timing and more boost, are you saying that won't make more hp? You don't even need a bigger turbo, just a whole lot of NOS by your logic. What are turbo injectors? And you think TGV Deletes are worth it, but an intake is not? The blind leading the blind FTL. |
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Pokes bear. IBpoints Quote:
The whole point of this thread is not to be a roadmap to 400whp, but to shut some people up who think they HAVE to have that, but lack the experience and knowledge thats needed to build and maintain that kind of power. |
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11.8 is a 320-340timeslip, not a 400whp timeslip. Not to mention, show me a 400whp car on the stock intake and I will show you a car that has as easily 20whp bottleneck. At 400whp, yes you can run the stock intake. Or you can do an intake, and make 420+whp. Or take your 400whp on the stock intake setup, go to a good intake, drop the boost down a little, make the same 400whp, with a more conservative tune. It has been absolutely beyond a shadow of doubt proven that the stock intake on a BONE STOCK STI, is a roadblock. No other mods, just an intake 10+whp gains, repeatable, heck, repeatED, by a lot of people on many dynos. WIth no A/F changes. If you can gain 10whp without a big turbo, no more boost, no exh changes, what do you think that stock intake will be doing at 400whp? Its a huge bottleneck at that point. |
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Bump this thread is awesome.
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Thought I would quote his post becaus allot of people here seem to be missing the point. Thanks for the great write up! It's people like you that make online forums like this one great! ...........yes, I am a noob. |
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Recently a local 02 WRX owner approached me about 400WHP. I asked if he's ever driven, or even been in one. "No." I asked if hes ever been in a Stage 2 WRX. "No."
I told him, do Catless UP, TBE, let me flash it to Stage 2, and we'll install the 20G and FMIC next week. After some 2nd gear pulls, he canceled everything else he ordered. |
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Brian Crower Camshaft Set 272 or280 i want the lope and rough idle
Brian Crower Valve Spring/Retainer Kit Cosworth High Volume/Pressure Blueprinted Oil Pump Gruppe-S Engine Rebuild Kit block bored 20 over or 10 blocuh 3.0 Power Enterprise Red 850cc Side Feed Injectors 04-06 STi Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump ACT ProLite Flywheel - 11.1 lbs - 04-07 STI Gruppe-S V2 Manifold w/ Gruppe-S Uppipe - 02-07 WRX/STI Stage 2 04-07 STI - SPP F&R Rotors/Axxis F&R Pads/Gruppe-S perrin fmic and perrin meth injection will this get me close 2 400whp?? |
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