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Old 12-05-2008, 06:29 PM   #1
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:41 PM   #2
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Still traps as fast, so it really isn't needed at those power levels.

Wonder what an STi does when not launched at it's peak performance? Oh yeah, mid 14's....

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Old 12-05-2008, 06:41 PM   #3
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:23 PM   #4
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Still hauls balls.
+1 and think, it hits 118 in the 1/4 when bogging on the launch. That's pretty impressive.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:22 PM   #5
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They should put a regular manual in it and see what it can do. I would def perfer an old school manual transmission.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:29 PM   #6
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Without the launch control it is still fast, but not Godzilla fast as hyped.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:34 PM   #7
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:50 PM   #8
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They should put a regular manual in it and see what it can do. I would def perfer an old school manual transmission.
The .2 or .3 you gain on the launch would be lost at the 1/2 shift, and you'd lose another 2/10ths at the 2/3 shift and another at the 3/4 (if necessary).
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:26 PM   #9
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This was a smart move on nissan's part. They never should have included the launch control feature in the first place as the gearbox obviously couldn't handle repeatedly being abused like that. It's still an amazing car. Besides, straight line numbers are boring imo.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:33 PM   #10
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This was a smart move on nissan's part. They never should have included the launch control feature in the first place as the gearbox obviously couldn't handle repeatedly being abused like that. It's still an amazing car. Besides, straight line numbers are boring imo.
Obviously, I mean look at the entire 3 cars that had reported transmission problems. The car clearly has issues if 3 different cars were broken from the owners doing god knows what to them. No other manufacturer has had 3 cars with broken transmissions, especially not Subaru.

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Old 12-05-2008, 10:44 PM   #11
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Obviously, I mean look at the entire 3 cars that had reported transmission problems. The car clearly has issues if 3 different cars were broken from the owners doing god knows what to them. No other manufacturer has had 3 cars with broken transmissions, especially not Subaru.

The 5speed subie tranny which is what ur talking about has a manual clutch obv and no launch control, therefore excessive abuse is clearly in the fault of the driver. The GT-R has a button so you DONT abuse the dual clutches. Nissan failed on an epic level. Subaru 5speed tranny's that go boom are the drivers fault. BTW never heard of an STi tranny going boom w/ or w/o LC
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:12 AM   #12
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The 5speed subie tranny which is what ur talking about has a manual clutch obv and no launch control, therefore excessive abuse is clearly in the fault of the driver. The GT-R has a button so you DONT abuse the dual clutches. Nissan failed on an epic level. Subaru 5speed tranny's that go boom are the drivers fault. BTW never heard of an STi tranny going boom w/ or w/o LC
youve never heard of an sti tranny go boom? how long have you been around subarus?
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:45 AM   #13
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youve never heard of an sti tranny go boom? how long have you been around subarus?


Really?

It was my understanding even the 500+hp drag STI's still ran on the stock tranny. I'm sure you could break it if you were really trying to, but it's pretty damn stout. I think I've seen one, if that, in the entire time I've been here.
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:47 AM   #14
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I agree with most people here. Although its impressive to have the LC times... it was so unneccessary. The car hauls like a mo fo without any help.

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They should put a regular manual in it and see what it can do. I would def perfer an old school manual transmission.
What you prefer doesn't mean it would be faster. That's why most manufacturers are opting for the dual clutch gear box.
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:58 AM   #15
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The 5speed subie tranny which is what ur talking about has a manual clutch obv and no launch control, therefore excessive abuse is clearly in the fault of the driver. The GT-R has a button so you DONT abuse the dual clutches. Nissan failed on an epic level. Subaru 5speed tranny's that go boom are the drivers fault. BTW never heard of an STi tranny going boom w/ or w/o LC
Research a bit son.

To turn on launch control (which btw the procedure was never officially mentioned by Nissan until after it was public knowledge) you have to turn off the traction control and the owners manual explicitly states that damage caused by turning off traction control is not a matter for warranty.

Launch control on a GTR is not a simple push a button and hey there it is!

On the GTR you have to set the suspension and transmission into R for race mode (hmmmmm), the traction control gets turned off then you engage manual shifting mode. After that hold the brake pedal down and depress the accelerator, the revs climb then drop down and then you re-engage whichever mode has shut off (IIRC it was manual shifting, probably a safety to prevent accidental engagement) depress the accelerator and release the brake pedal and away you go!

With the amount of buttons that you turn on that are clearly labeled RACE you would be an idiot to expect Nissan to cover the resulting carnage.
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Old 12-06-2008, 01:05 AM   #16
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Obviously, I mean look at the entire 3 cars that had reported transmission problems. The car clearly has issues if 3 different cars were broken from the owners doing god knows what to them. No other manufacturer has had 3 cars with broken transmissions, especially not Subaru.

Douchebag? I think yes.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:39 AM   #17
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youve never heard of an sti tranny go boom? how long have you been around subarus?

hah someone made a thread awhile about how he broke the unbreakable.. I can't remember if he said he did some super high launch or what..
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Old 12-06-2008, 03:59 PM   #18
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0-60 without rollout... 4.3 seconds.

Hell, my Stage 2 STI does that now!
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Old 12-06-2008, 04:16 PM   #19
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Douchebag? I think yes.
What makes him a douchebag?
Pointing out not many GT-R's have broken a transmission?
There have only been 2 that I know of. Both from repeated back to back LC uses.
There may be more that didn't get reported online but seeing as how most people like to get on a forum and rant if they have a problem....
I don't think there are many.
2 out of over 2 thousand cars in the U.S. alone doesn't mean the car is weak.

Doing repeated launches in any car is going to raise the temps in the transmission way above what they should be. There is also a significant amount of wheel hop in the GT-R when you do it that probably doesn't help.

There are plenty of people out there using launch control with no problems a couple of numbs nuts abusing their car then crying about how it broke
are the douchebags IMHO.

And the removal of LC in the 2010 GT-R is not certain yet.... just rumored based on what one person has said and if you read where that statement was originally posted. They note that Nissan contacted them and told them nothing has been finalized.


FWIW,
The STi may not brake a transmission with stock power levels but it certainly can snap an axle.
Does that make it a Piece of @#$%?
No, it just means there is some risk to launching it over and over.
And the guy you called a douchebag may have been referring to the WRX which has broken gears in stock form. Not apples to apples but still....
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Old 12-06-2008, 05:26 PM   #20
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I've said it before and I'll say it again..

NO AWD transmission will take such a beating day in, day out without breaking something.. Something has to give.. and when it's not the tires doing it, guess what? that transmission has to!

EVERYONE (well.. most anyhow) who owns an AWD car from Subaru, Mitsubishi, Porsche, Lamborghini. Audi (who knows about Bugatti owners, but Bugatti have tossed it out there that new transmissions will go for 130K ), and [insert other maker of high power AWD car here] seems to know this.... apart from a few GTR owners it seems

This is not a case of a car's transmission not being strong enough to take a beating.. NOBODY makes one that can take such abuse.

I knew when I bought my car new that the way in which they were getting the 5.4 0-60 times would lead to something breaking, and that was my first AWD car...

It just baffles me as to how some just don't get it, then complain and throw around the usual threats of class action lawsuits when something breaks..

Some people say that they should put in a 6MT.. Yes, they could do that, but what happens when they start to break also (and they will break)?

I mentioned in another thread that perhaps Nissan's mistake was not including launch control, but making the car so accessible to the masses...

To those who mention that "It's Nissan's fault for putting a feature on the car that will break it"... Every maker of a manual transmission equipped car builds in the "feature" for you to launch it at high rpm also..... yet they won't warrant your stupidity when the transmission strips first gear from a high rpm launch..

Just because a nuclear powered submarine is rated to a maximum depth of 5000 feet does not mean that you want to run around constantly operating at a depth of 5000 feet...
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What makes him a douchebag?
Pointing out not many GT-R's have broken a transmission?
There have only been 2 that I know of. Both from repeated back to back LC uses.
There may be more that didn't get reported online but seeing as how most people like to get on a forum and rant if they have a problem....
I don't think there are many.
2 out of over 2 thousand cars in the U.S. alone doesn't mean the car is weak.

Doing repeated launches in any car is going to raise the temps in the transmission way above what they should be. There is also a significant amount of wheel hop in the GT-R when you do it that probably doesn't help.

There are plenty of people out there using launch control with no problems a couple of numbs nuts abusing their car then crying about how it broke
are the douchebags IMHO.

And the removal of LC in the 2010 GT-R is not certain yet.... just rumored based on what one person has said and if you read where that statement was originally posted. They note that Nissan contacted them and told them nothing has been finalized.


FWIW,
The STi may not brake a transmission with stock power levels but it certainly can snap an axle.
Does that make it a Piece of @#$%?
No, it just means there is some risk to launching it over and over.
And the guy you called a douchebag may have been referring to the WRX which has broken gears in stock form. Not apples to apples but still....
No, the fact that he did it in a very douche-baggish way. I never said that a ton of them had broken trannies, just that a car with a launch control feature like that, which insanely automates the launch process (and thus really encourages owners to utilize the feature and launch the car more than they would on a car with a driver operated clutch, regardless of how many buttons you need to push to activate it), should easily be able to handle the stress, or the feature shouldn't be included. Besides, these cars are somewhat rare and the significance of 3 failures is considerably more than it would be with a more common car.
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... just that a car with a launch control feature like that, which insanely automates the launch process (and thus really encourages owners to utilize the feature and launch the car more than they would on a car with a driver operated clutch, regardless of how many buttons you need to push to activate it), should easily be able to handle the stress, or the feature shouldn't be included.
I disagree about the "LC" being a feature, but I am curious as to how it enourages you to use it? What you are suggesting is analogous to the automatic feature of a handgun encouraging you to shoot something with it.. If you are to kill someone with the said gun, is the manufacturer at fault for making the handgun automatic? Or are you at fault for pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger?

The LC isn't a "feature" since it wasn't mentioned in the manual.

What people are doing is the equivalent to finding a cheat code in their favorite computer game and using it. Only problem here is that after using the cheat multiple times, the computer game has become corrupt and will no longer function properly.

The cheat wasn't publicized (officially), and the knowledge of such code doesn't in and of itself encourage you to use it either. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that launching the car in such a manner is no good for the transmission..
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The LC isn't a "feature" since it wasn't mentioned in the manual.

What people are doing is the equivalent to finding a cheat code in their favorite computer game and using it. Only problem here is that after using the cheat multiple times, the computer game has become corrupt and will no longer function properly.

The cheat wasn't publicized (officially), and the knowledge of such code doesn't in and of itself encourage you to use it either. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that launching the car in such a manner is no good for the transmission..
Boom, perfect analogy.
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I disagree about the "LC" being a feature, but I am curious as to how it enourages you to use it? What you are suggesting is analogous to the automatic feature of a handgun encouraging you to shoot something with it.. If you are to kill someone with the said gun, is the manufacturer at fault for making the handgun automatic? Or are you at fault for pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger?

The LC isn't a "feature" since it wasn't mentioned in the manual.

What people are doing is the equivalent to finding a cheat code in their favorite computer game and using it. Only problem here is that after using the cheat multiple times, the computer game has become corrupt and will no longer function properly.

The cheat wasn't publicized (officially), and the knowledge of such code doesn't in and of itself encourage you to use it either. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that launching the car in such a manner is no good for the transmission..
i guarantee you that pretty much everyone who bought a GTR knew about the LC prior to the purchase. It was pretty well publicized prior to release in pretty much every magazine article I had ever read about the GTR at the time. A better analogy would be a handgun, with an automatic "pop a cap in some sucka" feature, or "automatic head-shot" feature. The fact is that LC almost completely automates the launching process. I mean you do have to operate it in order for it to function, but you don't necessarily need to have the ability to properly work the clutch and throttle in a car with a driver operated clutch in order to utilize it. Sure, nobody said they had to use it, and they probably shouldn't have used it, but given that it was a pretty well publicized feature, even if it apparently wasn't mentioned in the manual, I don't know what nissan expected was going to happen.

Sure, there are those of us who know better and realize that repeatedly pounding on an awd car in such a way would probable cause some unintended consequences, however not everyone understands the increased drivetrain stress that occurs when treating an AWD car in such a way that wouldn't happen if that car were RWD/FWD. And that "common sense" will be further suppressed when there is a feature that encourages people to beat on their cars more than they should.

I just don't believe for one fraction of a second that anyone here could honestly say that they wouldn't be far more tempted to perform a hard launch in a GT-R due to the launch control than they would in a WRX or STI (or some other car with a driver operated clutch).

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evo x mr. anyone go boom yet? supposedly launch control is not in the manual either.
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