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Old 12-10-2008, 12:25 AM   #1
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Default got my 16g wrx dyno'd today

Just got my 16g WRX tuned at GST today! very happy with the results! Thanks Mike and Greg.

271whp/245tq on a mustang dyno. not bad

Just thought I'd like to share it with everyone. especially since theres not too much on standard 16g turbos. The tune is super smooth and runs great! Nothing jaw-dropping, just a dailydriver/autoX car.

here's the engine mods:
Cobb AP V.2
FP16g turbo
DeatschWerks 650cc Injectors
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
Helix TMIC
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GodSpeed Turbo Inlet
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SubieSport Lightweight Pulleys
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:28 AM   #2
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NICE numbers man. Big 16G or what kind of 16g..ebay? deadbolt...ect...
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:28 AM   #3
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Dammit i just read FP, my bad bro. NICE NUMBERSSSS
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:30 AM   #4
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yup. just a little ol' standard FP16g!
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:42 AM   #5
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Nice!! When do you see full boost? What is full boost on that setup, and what kind of fuel? Also, looks like you might be getting just a tiny bit of clutch slippage at 4k. Stock clutch?
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:25 AM   #6
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Nice clean pull out to 7k.. looks very good.
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:58 AM   #7
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Every VF39 owner should see that beauty that is 5500-7k
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:59 AM   #8
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nice number for the standard 16G. how much boost are you running on it?

i had the Evo3 big 16g and made 325whp at 26 psi on a mustang dyno.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:19 AM   #9
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Any tranny work done?
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:59 AM   #10
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Curious to know how much boost you're running too.

I just did a standard 16g swap too (DB turbo though) with a Clark Turner map, but I was thinking about having it tuned @ GST since they're down the road from me.

I've been pretty blown away with the top end power of the 16g. It's a nice compromise to have similar spool to the TD04 with a lot more top end.
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:22 AM   #11
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03wrx-wrb:wow.. 26psi is quite a bit. stock block? meth?

and sorry, 91oct. boost= 19psi tapered to 17psi.

tranny is JDM STi RA gearset(cryo'd) with ACT street clutch.
and i need a new clutch soon too.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:58 AM   #12
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catless in california?? ballsy!

nice, bet shes fun to drive w/ those jdm sti ra gears 2Liters rule!
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:50 AM   #13
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Very nice... on a Mustang dyno too!

A lot of people write off the regular 16G, often missing the fact that not only is it affordable, if offers comparable spool and better cfm output than even the much vaunted VF34. The icing on the cake is that it's rebuildable and can be upgraded to a larger variant down the road if needed.

Great choice on injectors, too. A lot of people run pinks with that turbo, but I've always thought they were running the risk of pushing it in terms of IDCs. I have the same injectors, and they've been great so far. It also gives you some headroom if you decide to upgrade the turbo later.

Any idea what your injector duty cycles are? I'm on the lowish side with 650s and a DB 16G- right at 70%.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your target boost? That's a solid curve you've got there... I'm interested to see if you are pushing over 20 psi. I'm running 19, but am thinking about having it upped once I get some proper gauges to let me closely monitor things once I start really pushing it.

Sorry about all the questions; just curious.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:42 PM   #14
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Thank you.
i agree! very overlooked turbo. and love the fact that FP's are rebuildable.

chose the 650's for future plans of an 18g. plus its nice to have headroom.
peak boost is 19psi tapered to 17psi. and believe injector duty is similar.

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:05 PM   #15
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Any idea what your injector duty cycles are? I'm on the lowish side with 650s and a DB 16G- right at 70%.
Do you have the db standard 16g?

Ive been considering the dp big 16g and those injectors. I know i will talk to my tuner closer to then, but do you think deatschwerks 650s would be large enough for the db big 16g?
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Old 12-10-2008, 04:54 PM   #16
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Yes, the 650's will flow enough for any of the 16g's unless your on E85
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:05 PM   #17
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Seems kinda rich to me.
Good showing for a much more durable turbo than anything in the VF series. I'm not sure why the TDO516G is compared to the VF3X turbos when it's much similar in size to the VF22. Studies show that for some apparent reason 57% of all NASIOC users with upgraded turbos want to suck any "VF" turbo's dick.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:19 PM   #18
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nice numbers..

but afr are abit rich..they are close to what a stock
setup would do as far as afr's.

if they leaned the afr's 11.5 to 11 you could have gotten
some more power & still stayed on the safe side.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:53 PM   #19
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Seems pretty good, nice run!
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:57 PM   #20
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are you running the stock catback? it just says up pipe and dp
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:54 AM   #21
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not stock catback, some no-name 3" catback
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Old 12-11-2008, 07:53 AM   #22
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Seems kinda rich to me.
Good showing for a much more durable turbo than anything in the VF series. I'm not sure why the TDO516G is compared to the VF3X turbos when it's much similar in size to the VF22. Studies show that for some apparent reason 57% of all NASIOC users with upgraded turbos want to suck any "VF" turbo's dick.
interesting...
nice power curves, I've gotta say that the 16G is a much better match with the 2l than the 2.5. My boost falls OFF at 5500-6000, but the initial torque just smacks me in the face
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Old 12-11-2008, 08:18 AM   #23
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Looks great!! I have the same gears, and turbo on my 2.0l and its a GREAT combination. Only thing that you may run into is the short RA 4th gear at the drag strip if you start trapping over 110mph.. (hey its possible).

Nice tune though, enjoy it!
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:47 AM   #24
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Do you have the db standard 16g?

Ive been considering the dp big 16g and those injectors. I know i will talk to my tuner closer to then, but do you think deatschwerks 650s would be large enough for the db big 16g?
Yep... the one I have is the DB standard model, but it has had some minor upgrade work consisting of "monster" porting and a coated exhaust side. I bought it from a member on this board who just had it rebuilt by Deadbolt for good measure before selling it. It is a great steet turbo for the 2.0... with the right injectors and and a few supporting modifications, it really gives some eye opening low end and midrange power- it pulls fiercely enough that my wife and friends immediately grab for the "oh ****" handles during any episodes of full throttle 1-3 gear acceleration.

The above being said, within the next year I am considering sending the turbo back in for upgrade to a "Super 16G," as acceleration over 65 or 70 does take a dive. I wouldn't mind trading a little low end for a bit more top end pull. Since I'm running a stock gear box I haven't bothered to take my car to a strip, but I'd like to do it just once before I go larger so I would have a concrete basis for comparison.

Rambling aside, as was mentioned, those injectors should be great for ANY size 16G, and based on what I've seen, will even do well in a basic 18G setup. If you know what your power goals are, you can always refer to this calculator to determine how much injector you need.

http://www.deatschwerks.com/catalog/...alculators.php

For a WRX, I *think* it is generally recommended to use a BSFC of .59. Once you have your injectors figured out, you can choose your turbo from there. You may already know this, but I'm throwing the info out there just in case.

For comparison sake, here was my thread from a while back using a standard 16G:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...t=J.+Steinbeck

On the dyno my car spooled hard and early, but some people pointed out that I may be dropping a little more torque toward redline than I should, and I had a little dip at 5,000 rpm that might be the result of some pulled timing. Not sure what the case was, but the car still feels great, and after getting a fairly knowledgeable person to log since then, it appeared that the car is happy. I do wish my curve was as linear as the OPs, though. My numbers are higher, but I was on a Dynojet. I bet we would pull similar peak numbers on the same dyno... he might even push a little higher than me.

I don't mean to get off topic; I thought it would be nice to throw some of these results together since it does seems like it is hard to find info on this board from other "regular" 16G users.

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Old 12-11-2008, 03:11 PM   #25
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nice number for the standard 16G. how much boost are you running on it?

i had the Evo3 big 16g and made 325whp at 26 psi on a mustang dyno.
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Just got my 16g WRX tuned at GST today! very happy with the results! Thanks Mike and Greg.

271whp/245tq on a mustang dyno. not bad

Just thought I'd like to share it with everyone. especially since theres not too much on standard 16g turbos. The tune is super smooth and runs great! Nothing jaw-dropping, just a dailydriver/autoX car.

here's the engine mods:
Cobb AP V.2
FP16g turbo
DeatschWerks 650cc Injectors
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
Helix TMIC
Cobb SF Intake
GodSpeed Turbo Inlet
Helix Catless DP
Helix Catless Up
SubieSport Lightweight Pulleys
Gruppe-S BCS
HKS SSQV BOV

Dyno Sheet


AFR Sheet


Feel free to give feedback or ask questions.

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These two posts have really got me leaning towards a Evo3 16g now once again. 26 psi making 326whp on a mustang? That's golden numbers right there. Any kind of special fuel that goes with that?
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