Behind the grill intercooler

van_dutch · 01-15-2009, 02:07 PM

I was discussing FMICs with a friend the other night. We were discussing the fact that many people complain about the remove of the bumper beam. Both he and I feel that it doesn't really matter as it is being replaced with an intercooler and neither one would do much with any kind of speed (>15 mph). We then got on the topic of the intercooler location used in the WRC cars. For those not familiar with the location, it is behind the grill. You can see this in the images below. You can clearly see the bottom of the intercooler just above the bumper. In the second image, you can see the piping and the fact that the air intake has been moved to the stock TMIC location.

My friend and I surmise that the intercooler could be installed in this location by removing the AC condensor, possibly leaning the radiator back or shortening it and cutting some of the radiator support. To facilitate airflow, a separator between the IC and the radiator would be needed with the air that passed through the intercooler venting up. This, I believe, is the scoop in the front of the hood in the first picture. The scoop, I think, forces the air that has been used for cooling the boost up and out of the engine bay. I am not sure that the radiator needs a similar system, hence the reason that the scoop is not separated, although that cannot be seen very well in the images here.

All of this being said, has anyone ever tried to run a system like this? It seems to similar benefits to running an FMIC while keeping the bumper beam that people seem to love. I haven't seen anyone running a system like this. It seems kind of like a vmount but not quite. Any thoughts?

cowboy_Rob · 01-15-2009, 02:10 PM

that big canister muffler looking piece on the right side of the pic is a liquid to air intercooler. the cooler behind the grill is probably an oil cooler or something. even if it is an intercooler it can be much smaller because they have the liquid to air IC also.

van_dutch · 01-15-2009, 02:23 PM

It has to be the intercooler. There is not another one located on the car. There is not one in the usual top or front mount places.

jnorth85 · 01-15-2009, 02:52 PM

Ibtl!!!

search "v mount"

van_dutch · 01-15-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnorth85

Ibtl!!!

search "v mount"

I know what a V mount is but this doesn't really seem like a v mount. It seems like a cross between a v mount and a front mount. I could just be crazy here and it really is a v mount, but it doesn't quite look it to me.

PikkaGTR · 01-16-2009, 01:47 AM

or you can just rum a Perrin FMIC which will come with an integrated beam if safety is important

kalescustom · 01-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowboy_Rob

that big canister muffler looking piece on the right side of the pic is a liquid to air intercooler. the cooler behind the grill is probably an oil cooler or something. even if it is an intercooler it can be much smaller because they have the liquid to air IC also.

im sorry but you are wrong. The big canister is just a plenum in the piping.. they started using that design a few years ago. The core behing the grill is the intercooler.

twizzstyle · 01-16-2009, 03:30 PM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=v+mount

van_dutch · 01-16-2009, 09:55 PM

Thanks for the link twizzstyle. I was under the impression that a v mount is demonstrated in the picture below. The name comes from the shape the intercooler and radiator make.

If you guys are calling it a v mount, that's fine. I was just a bit curious.

twizzstyle · 01-17-2009, 09:02 PM

Most of the installs I've seen (like the link I posted) the intercooler sits straight behing the grill, but you still have to angle the radiator back to make room for it... so it is still a V-mount like you are thinking, just the intercooler sits straight.

Dutch Devotion · 01-18-2009, 03:26 PM

Sorry to correct guyz,
The WRC setup at the top pic shows a front mounted air to air intercooler
The socalled "muffler" thing at the right is actually a pressure tank that is incorporated in the IC piping.
After a gear shift nthe engine will be fed with full pressure..........making monstrous torque at redicilous low revs.
Almost 800Nm at low revs and then we mean really low like 1800revs thanks to the airtank
In the beginning of this invention, Ford used a very large air tank mounted outside the engine department that was presurized during warm up............soon it was forbidden, the tank has to fit under the hood and has to be incorporated in the IC piping.

E

KillerBMotorsport · 01-25-2009, 11:40 PM

MMmmm... all yummy...

Be nice to hear some feedback from some one that drives one of these setups on the street.

kalescustom · 01-26-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch Devotion

Sorry to correct guyz,
The WRC setup at the top pic shows a front mounted air to air intercooler
The socalled "muffler" thing at the right is actually a pressure tank that is incorporated in the IC piping.
After a gear shift nthe engine will be fed with full pressure..........making monstrous torque at redicilous low revs.
Almost 800Nm at low revs and then we mean really low like 1800revs thanks to the airtank
In the beginning of this invention, Ford used a very large air tank mounted outside the engine department that was presurized during warm up............soon it was forbidden, the tank has to fit under the hood and has to be incorporated in the IC piping.

E

You dont want to be cruisin around with that in there unless you've got some ALS...all that would create would be laaaag

01-15-2009, 02:07 PM	#1
van_dutch Scooby Newbie Member#: 198633 Join Date: Dec 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Black	Behind the grill intercooler I was discussing FMICs with a friend the other night. We were discussing the fact that many people complain about the remove of the bumper beam. Both he and I feel that it doesn't really matter as it is being replaced with an intercooler and neither one would do much with any kind of speed (>15 mph). We then got on the topic of the intercooler location used in the WRC cars. For those not familiar with the location, it is behind the grill. You can see this in the images below. You can clearly see the bottom of the intercooler just above the bumper. In the second image, you can see the piping and the fact that the air intake has been moved to the stock TMIC location. My friend and I surmise that the intercooler could be installed in this location by removing the AC condensor, possibly leaning the radiator back or shortening it and cutting some of the radiator support. To facilitate airflow, a separator between the IC and the radiator would be needed with the air that passed through the intercooler venting up. This, I believe, is the scoop in the front of the hood in the first picture. The scoop, I think, forces the air that has been used for cooling the boost up and out of the engine bay. I am not sure that the radiator needs a similar system, hence the reason that the scoop is not separated, although that cannot be seen very well in the images here. All of this being said, has anyone ever tried to run a system like this? It seems to similar benefits to running an FMIC while keeping the bumper beam that people seem to love. I haven't seen anyone running a system like this. It seems kind of like a vmount but not quite. Any thoughts?

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01-15-2009, 02:10 PM	#2
cowboy_Rob Scooby Newbie Member#: 194062 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancaster PA Vehicle: 2003 Impreza WRX PSM	that big canister muffler looking piece on the right side of the pic is a liquid to air intercooler. the cooler behind the grill is probably an oil cooler or something. even if it is an intercooler it can be much smaller because they have the liquid to air IC also.

01-15-2009, 02:23 PM	#3
van_dutch Scooby Newbie Member#: 198633 Join Date: Dec 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Black	It has to be the intercooler. There is not another one located on the car. There is not one in the usual top or front mount places.

01-15-2009, 02:52 PM	#4
jnorth85 Scooby Specialist Member#: 76785 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: DSM iowa Vehicle: 2000 RSTi Coupe SRP	Ibtl!!! search "v mount"

01-16-2009, 01:47 AM	#6
PikkaGTR Scooby Newbie Member#: 179940 Join Date: May 2008 Location: SJ Vehicle: 2007 Sti SWP	or you can just rum a Perrin FMIC which will come with an integrated beam if safety is important

01-16-2009, 03:30 PM	#8
twizzstyle Scooby Guru Member#: 18941 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Finn Hill, Washington Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon 16g 2008 Yaris	http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=v+mount

01-16-2009, 09:55 PM	#9
van_dutch Scooby Newbie Member#: 198633 Join Date: Dec 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Black	Thanks for the link twizzstyle. I was under the impression that a v mount is demonstrated in the picture below. The name comes from the shape the intercooler and radiator make. If you guys are calling it a v mount, that's fine. I was just a bit curious.

01-17-2009, 09:02 PM	#10
twizzstyle Scooby Guru Member#: 18941 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Finn Hill, Washington Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon 16g 2008 Yaris	Most of the installs I've seen (like the link I posted) the intercooler sits straight behing the grill, but you still have to angle the radiator back to make room for it... so it is still a V-mount like you are thinking, just the intercooler sits straight.

01-18-2009, 03:26 PM	#11
Dutch Devotion Scooby Newbie Member#: 145985 Join Date: Apr 2007	Sorry to correct guyz, The WRC setup at the top pic shows a front mounted air to air intercooler The socalled "muffler" thing at the right is actually a pressure tank that is incorporated in the IC piping. After a gear shift nthe engine will be fed with full pressure..........making monstrous torque at redicilous low revs. Almost 800Nm at low revs and then we mean really low like 1800revs thanks to the airtank In the beginning of this invention, Ford used a very large air tank mounted outside the engine department that was presurized during warm up............soon it was forbidden, the tank has to fit under the hood and has to be incorporated in the IC piping. E

01-25-2009, 11:40 PM	#12
KillerBMotorsport NASIOC Vendor Member#: 198281 Join Date: Dec 2008 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Virginia Vehicle: 2005 WRX/STi WRB of course	MMmmm... all yummy... Be nice to hear some feedback from some one that drives one of these setups on the street.