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Old 01-31-2009, 09:18 PM   #1
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Information is subject to change as more information comes.

I have a ’05 WRX and I have NOW upgraded my turbo to a decent TD06H-20G-8cm^2, FMIC, EWG with ported heads, 272* cams, 9.0:1CR pistons, Cosworth rods/bearings and running 110oct. What I’m afraid of is breaking my transmission now. The car was tuned to 22psi up top and we push 364whp and 331wtq. I don’t know what gears I want to hold the power. Some were saying go PPG’s and others were saying ’07 STi 6spd.

WELL…. The MOST important question is, what are you going to be doing with your car? Gearing is determined by the car’s use. A person who drag races a car has much different gearing compared to a person who does circuit/lapping days. The stock gearing on the car is much different from BOTH of the guys who does the 1320 and track races.

A drag racer much rather prefer rolling through 1-2-3-4 on a typical 5spd tranny with an average 280-450whp. Gear ratios are much longer and further spread out. Less shifting means more time for acceleration. First gear for get up and go, second gear for gaining ground when there’s not enough wind drag yet, third gear to pull through with the power made, and forth gear to show “wassup” about TOP END.

A track racer much rather prefers rolling through 2-3-4-5 on a typical 5spd tranny with an average 280-450whp. Gear ratios are much shorter and closer to each other. Staying in the power band even after a shift means power on the tap 99% of the time so you can zoom out of a corner faster. Second gear is usually for slower turns, third gear to get you to the next corner, forth gear for that high speed turn, and fifth gear to pull through the back 1000ft straight. An autoX guy will like a nice short 2nd gear and 3rd gear, more like the STi 6spd 2nd gear and 3rd gear.

Now the Daily driver much prefers being able to go through all gears on a 5spd with an average 280-450whp. Gear ratios are much wider in the first 3 gears and shorter as they go up or get shorter as they go up to 4th and 5th gear would be a little longer. Less shifting in the lower speeds means more concentration on the ROAD, closer ratios from 3-4 means staying in the power band and NOT using a lot of gas, and a nice low ratio 5th gear for that NICE hiway cruising engine speed.

Now you should have an idea what you want now. Remember that these are the KEY POINTS in choosing the gear ratios that meets your needs. Don’t expect the Daily driver gearset to keep you IN THE POWERBAND all the time and don’t expect it to give you MAXIMUM acceleration getting up and going from a stand still on the side of the hiway.

This is where it gets technical. There are final drive numbers on each tranny can vary on year. Also are your engines’ powerband and window of RPM operation. The gear ratios will determine how much gap in engine revs there are between shifts and some speed. The final drive ratio will change the overall SPEED of each gear and how much overall speed once in top gear. Sometimes a tranny will have a short 4.444 final drive ratio, but its speed carried through the gears given the engine’s rev limit is really close to the same as one with a 3.900 final drive. The ’95 WRX STi Ver.II 4.111 tranny(3.454 2.062 1.448 1.088 0.825) and ’99 WRX STi Ver.VI 4.444 tranny(3.166 1.882 1.296 0.972 0.738) would be a good comparison; STi VerII 60mph@2880rpms and STi VerVI 60mph@2785rpms both in 5th gear.

Typical Subaru’s with an average 280-450whp will rev up to 6500-7500rpms. Most gear ratios out there will work fine with the factory final drive ratio given the engine’s rev limits. One would put STi RA 5spd ratios(3.083 2.062 1.545 1.151 0.825) in a ’06 WRX tranny(3.700FD). It’ll give you decent acceleration and still a forgiving 5th gear hiway gear running 60mph@2590rpm and 80mph@3455rpms. Putting the same STi RA 5spd ratios in a ’05 WRX(3.900FD) would mean a bit quicker running through the gears, however a slightly higher engine speed; 2730@60mph and 3640@80mph both in 5th gear.

Those who are running the PPG gears have all out acceleration performance through the straight with an average 280-450whp with up to 7500rpms rev limit. Let us look at these ratios; 3.08 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / .738(OEM) with a stock final drive of 3.900 on ’02-’05 USDM WRXs. Running through first gear you’ll get to approx 41.3mph, second gear starting at about 4200rpms carrying speed to 68.1mph, then third gear starting at 4900rpms and carrying speed to 96.4, forth gear starting at 5000rpms and carrying speed to 134mph, then fifth gear starting at 5400rpms and carrying it up to 170mph if given enough straight shifting at about 7000rpms. You can carry enough speed through the quarter mile in 4th gear giving you plenty of time to accelerate shifting only 3 times for the drag racers.

Now when you put in aftermarket gears, you have a variety of ratios available. Knowing what YOU are going to do with the car will allow you to make the right choice in selecting the right ratios for you. You can also consult with a shop that specializes in rebuilding transmissions and they can help you narrow your gear sets down to the one that suits your application.

Now what about the 6spd? Oh when you go with the 6spd you are jumping into a whole different ball game. You have LSDs, DCCD, rear biased, and short gearing. The 6spd was made for track driving and was NEVER intended for 1/4mi use, however it will put a decent time. They come with and without DCCD depending if you get JDM stuff or USDM stuff. In Japan they have non-DCCD 6spds for the purpose of owners’ preference. DCCD 6spds will always be rear-biased except very few models and the newer models; 35:65, 41:59, & 45:55. The strength is also very incredible. You will be able to run the tranny hard and don’t have to worry about breaking gears with the average 280-450whp.

Gearing is changed a little bit for certain countries. For example the JDM 6spd is much shorter than what’s offered here when looking at ’07 models. For the ’04 STi that first came here in the USA, we had the same gearing 1-4 as the JDM 6spd, but with LONGER 5th and 6th gears. This was changed out for the ’07 models using longer gears that are the same as the Legacy Spec B 2-4th gears while retaining the same 1st, 5th, and 6th gear ratios. The USDM Legacy Spec B 6spd ratios are like the USDM ’07 STI, but with much longer 5th and 6th gear evening the spacing out.

For the guys who run and average of 280whp-450whp, the 6spd will get things done well for most applications. The gearing is short enough so you don’t have to worry about long gears when you run at the track. They are also long enough to enjoy rolling through the 1320. The longer ratio ’07 STI tranny is will suit those who do the 1320. The ’04-‘05 STi tranny will suit those who autoX and do circuit. The JDM STi 6spd will suit those who are doing PURE time attack and road course events. If the car has HIGH HP, the Legacy Spec B ratios will suit them better for its longer ratios.

Now selecting the ratios does go hand in hand with the amount of power as well as window of power with engine speed. For example would be if I wanted a QUICK & FAST street car running 540whp revving to 7500rpms on a built 2.5L, I would definitely do a 6spd and have Legacy Spec B 2-6 ratios installed. The car would have enough power to push through the longer ratio gears. The longer ratios also help because of the lower engine rev compared to the JDM models with the 8000rpm redline. If I was to have JDM STi 6spd I would run out of gearing so fast that I wouldn’t have anytime to use the power for acceleration. There’s just too much shifting with shorter ratios where you can have longer ratios to gain more ground accelerating. If it was a pure short/medium track or rally machine where top speed isn’t a factor but more so acceleration, the JDM ratios would fit right in. Anytime out of a corner power would be on TAP.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:19 PM   #2
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General Idea of Gear Set for type of application

1320ft / Wangan

280whp-450whp or more


5speed transmission
PPG gearset
3.18 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set
3.08 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Straight Cut Gear Set
3.08 / 2.15 / 1.50 / 1.05 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set from Andrewtech
3.18 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / OEM - Dogbox 1st-4th Straight Cut Gear Set
3.08 / 2.15 / 1.50 / 1.05 / OEM - Dogbox 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set

MFactory
3.454 / 1.940 / 1.350 / 0.958 / 0.769 - MFactory PRO Series Gear Set


6speed transmission
Subaru
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.891 / 0.707 - Legacy Spec B/Rallispec High Speed 2nd-6th Ratio Conversion
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.971 / 0.756 - USDM '07 STI+

PPG
3.080 / 1.880 / 1.350 / 0.960 / OEM / OEM - Drag 4 Gear Subaru 5MT Dog Gear Kit


Short Track / Road Course / Time Attack / Autocross
280whp-450whp or more


5speed transmission
PPG gearset
2.916 / 2.090 / 1.555 / 1.176 / 0.900 - GC8 Group N 5 Gear Subaru 5MT Dog Kit
3.08 / 2.15 / 1.50 / 1.05 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set from Andrewtech

KAAZ
3.167 / 2.267 / 1.667 / 1.250 / 0.964 - MCF2050 Close Ratio Gears

MFactory
3.270 / 2.286 / 1.667 / 1.238 / 0.958 - Close ratio Gear Set

6speed transmission
Subaru
3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.062 / 0.842 - JDM STi
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.891 / 0.707 - Legacy Spec B/Rallispec High Speed 2nd-6th Ratio Conversion
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.971 / 0.756 - USDM '07 STI+

PPG
3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.062 / 0.842 - GroupN 6 Gear Subaru 6MT Dog Kit
3.333 / 2.284 / 1.750 / 1.333 / 1.040 / OEM - Group N 5 Gear Subaru 6MT Dog Gear Kit


Budget Daily Driver
up to 375whp or more if you are willing

Subaru
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 - USDM '05+ Legacy 2.5GT & JDM models
3.083 / 2.062 / 1.545 / 1.151 / 0.825 or OEM - JDM GC8 WRX/STi RA Version 3-6






http://www.rallispec.com/prod_trans.htm
http://www.kaazusa.com/partinfo_gearsets.html
http://www.teammfactory.com/products...0Ratio%20Gears
http://spda-online.ca/modules/tinyco...ite/tc_28.html

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Factory Gear Ratios for Reference

All-Wheel-Drive 5-speed Transmissions
USDM
3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 3.900FD - '02-'05 USDM WRX; 3.545FD rear diff
3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 3.700FD - '06-'07 USDM WRX
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 3.900FD - '08-current USDM WRX
3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 4.444FD - '04-'08 Forester 2.5XT
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.780 / 4.111FD - '04-current Forester non-turbo
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 4.111FD - '05-'06 USDM Legacy 2.5GT
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 3.900FD - '07-'09 USDM Legacy 2.5GT
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 4.444FD - '05-'09 USDM Outback 2.5XT
3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.780 / 4.111FD - '98-'01 USDM Impreza 2.5RS
3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.780 / 3.900FD - '96-'01 USDM Impreza L/OBS
3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.780 / 4.111FD - '96-'99 USDM Legacy 2.5GT
3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.871 / 4.111FD - '96-'99 USDM Legacy Outback
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.871 / 4.111FD - '00-'07 USDM Outback
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.825 / 4.111FD - '08-current USDM Outback
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.780 / 4.111FD - '02-'04 USDM Impreza 2.5RS/'05 Impreza 2.5RS Sport
3.545 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.780 / 4.111FD - '93-'94 USDM Impreza 1.8L
3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.825 / 3.900FD - '95 USDM Impreza 1.8L

JDM
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.825 / 4.111FD - '93-'96 JDM Impreza WRX/STi
3.454 / 2.333 / 1.750 / 1.354 / 0.972 / 3.900FD - '93 JDM Impreza WRX RA
3.454 / 2.333 / 1.750 / 1.354 / 0.972 / 4.111FD - '94-'95 JDM Impreza WRX RA/STi RA
3.454 / 2.062 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.825 / 4.111FD - '93-'00 JDM Impreza WRX Wagon
3.083 / 2.062 / 1.545 / 1.151 / 0.825 / 4.444FD - '97-'00 JDM Impreza WRX RA/Type R/STi RA/22B STi
3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 4.444FD - '97-'00 JDM Impreza WRX/STi


All-Wheel-Drive 6-speed Transmissions
3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.062 / 0.842 / 3.900FD
- JDM Impreza WRX Spec C/STi/STi Spec C RA/V-Limted/S202/S203/S204/Spec C RA-R
- AUS Impreza WRX STi

3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD
- USDM 2007-current Impreza WRX STi

3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD
- USDM 2004-2006 Impreza WRX STi
- UK/Europe/NZ Impreza WRX STi
- JDM Legacy 3.0R Spec B

3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.891 / 0.707 / 3.900FD
- USDM 2007-2009 Legacy 2.5GT Spec B
- JDM Forester

NOTE: USDM '04/'05 R180 2way clutch type LSD with 3.900FD. USDM '06-current R180 torsen LSD with 3.545FD.




Calculators for Speed and RPM
http://www.car-videos.net/tools/speedrpm.asp
http://www.teammfactory.com/gearcalculator.php
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2566895



http://spda-online.ca/modules/tinyco...ite/tc_28.html
http://www.ausubaru.com/wiki/index.p...e=TRANSMISSION
http://www.rexnet.com.au/forum/index...howtopic=29168
http://www.cars101.com/

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Videos of various gearing combination's



Legacy spec B ratios shifting about 9000rpms


3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.061 / 0.842 / 3.900FD
JDM 6spd ratios on big turbo


3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.891 / 0.707 / 3.900FD
High Speed gears, Legacy Spec B


3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.061 / 0.842 / 3.900FD
JDM 6spd ratios


3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD
'04-'06 USDM STi 6spd shifting at about 3000rpms


3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.061 / 0.842 - 3.900FD
'04 JDM DCCD 6spd shifting at about 7000rpm


3.08 / 1.87 / 1.32 / 0.95 / 0.738(OEM) - 3.900FD
'02 WRX, PPGs straight cut 1/2, helical cut 3/4, OEM 5th, 7000rpm shifts


3.545 / 2.111 / 1.448 / 1.088 / 0.871 / - 4.111FD
'03 WRX, '97 Outback NA 5spd, '01RS VLSD 4.111FD R160, 7000rpm shifts


3.166 / 1.882 / 1.296 / 0.972 / 0.738 / - 4.444FD
'99 CANADA OBS EJ20G swap STi Ver.IV tranny


3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD
'07 USDM STi 6spd BPU


3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 / - 3.900FD
'02 WRX stock 5spd BPU

3.270 / 2.286 / 1.667 / 1.238 / 0.738 / 3.900FD
MFactory 1-4

3.270 / 2.286 / 1.667 / 1.238 / 0.738 / 3.900FD
MFactory 1-4


3.083 / 2.062 / 1.545 / 1.151 / 0.825 / 4.111FD
STi RA 5spd with 4.111 tranny



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Nice Info Fuji. Now can you make me a copy with your autograph? haha =P
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hi FuJi K, currently my car is running 350whp revving to 7000rpms on a built 2.5L, what kind of gearset do u recommend for my MY07 2.5wrx so that it can be a Quick and Fast street car?? currently my 5mt gearbox is running on stock 3.454/1.947/1.366/0.972/0.738 with 4.111FinalDrive. on top of being quick and fast, i am also looking to strenghten the gearbox.
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hi FuJi K, currently my car is running 350whp revving to 7000rpms on a built 2.5L, what kind of gearset do u recommend for my MY07 2.5wrx so that it can be a Quick and Fast street car?? currently my 5mt gearbox is running on stock 3.454/1.947/1.366/0.972/0.738 with 4.111FinalDrive. on top of being quick and fast, i am also looking to strengthen the gearbox.
many tks
You can't go wrong with doing the LGT 1-2-3 gears in with yours if you're on a budget. You happen to have a 4.111FD which I find IMO to be great medium matched for gear sets that's are available at the moment.

MFactory's mainshaft has upgraded so there's HOPE in a stronger hold. A handful of people are running that gear set at the moment. Early buyers had problems with that mainshaft flexing but should now if replaced with the NEW one and guys with them installed recently shouldn't have a problem either.
The ratios are a little longer in 1st gear but shorter when you roll through them. Shifting into 5th gear will yield a big gap. If you don't mind the hiway RPM and want a decent gap you can have the USDM Subaru Outback's 5th gear installed with the MFactory's 1-4; Outback 5th gear ratio is .871.

... you have the option of jumpin to the 6spd if you want.
BTW do you have a USDM WRX? a 4.111FD in that tranny doesn't seem USDM to me.
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You can't go wrong with doing the LGT 1-2-3 gears in with yours if you're on a budget. You happen to have a 4.111FD which I find IMO to be great medium matched for gear sets that's are available at the moment.

MFactory's mainshaft has upgraded so there's HOPE in a stronger hold. A handful of people are running that gear set at the moment. Early buyers had problems with that mainshaft flexing but should now if replaced with the NEW one and guys with them installed recently shouldn't have a problem either.
The ratios are a little longer in 1st gear but shorter when you roll through them. Shifting into 5th gear will yield a big gap. If you don't mind the hiway RPM and want a decent gap you can have the USDM Subaru Outback's 5th gear installed with the MFactory's 1-4; Outback 5th gear ratio is .871.

... you have the option of jumpin to the 6spd if you want.
BTW do you have a USDM WRX? a 4.111FD in that tranny doesn't seem USDM to me.
nope, its a EURO wrx. was thinking of the PPG gearset as its pretty close to stock gear ratio. my main concern is to have a strengthen gearset to be able to withstand punishment. what say u???
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Very Nice Thread, a definite sticky

Fuji- I have a few other gear sets for you, I'll try and compile the ratios for you so you can add them

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An autoX guy will like a nice short 2nd gear and 3rd gear, more like the STi 6spd 2nd gear and 3rd gear.
That surprises me. I thought STi autoxers would prefer a longer 2nd, so they didn't have to mess with 3rd gear at all. Shifting is generally thought of as time given up.
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nope, its a EURO wrx. was thinking of the PPG gearset as its pretty close to stock gear ratio. my main concern is to have a strengthen gearset to be able to withstand punishment. what say u???
If you are looking at the PPG for Quick Street Fun, IMO I'd suggest this
3.08 / 2.15 / 1.50 / 1.05 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set from Andrewtech

It'll keep you in the powerband and you don't have to worry about that big gap on the 1-2 shift, 3rd and 4th as acceleration gears.



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Very Nice Thread, a definite sticky

Fuji- I have a few other gear sets for you, I'll try and compile the ratios for you so you can add them

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That surprises me. I thought STi autoxers would prefer a longer 2nd, so they didn't have to mess with 3rd gear at all. Shifting is generally thought of as time given up.
AutoX courses can be REALLY SHORT, or they can be really long and depends where the even is held. AutoX done here in my town uses small lots and only a few at larger facilities. In small lots having a 2nd gear like the WRX's would really suck because your RPM is so low you can't pull out of corners. The STi's shorter 2nd gear helps a lot in these situations. I AutoX'ed at the Miller Stadium with the SCCA Milwaukee Region Solo Autocross in Milwaukee WI. When I was still NA with my Impreza L wagon running a 2.5RS tranny, my 2nd gear was a TAD long. Had it been a JDM WRX STi RA VerIII tranny with the 4.444FD, I would have LOVED IT!

Going 2nd to 3rd would only be on the slalom and higher speed turns. It really is matched well IMO, but then others may disagree. The STi does have a lot of torque running its mighty 2.5L and fast spooling VF39.
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[quote=FuJi K;25427535]If you are looking at the PPG for Quick Street Fun, IMO I'd suggest this
3.08 / 2.15 / 1.50 / 1.05 / OEM - Synchro 1st-4th Helical Cut Gear Set from Andrewtech

It'll keep you in the powerband and you don't have to worry about that big gap on the 1-2 shift, 3rd and 4th as acceleration gears.


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I just found out that the '08 WRX uses the LGT gears and runs a 3.900FD.


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Old 02-03-2009, 02:56 PM   #15
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excellent info
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Just an FYI, my ForesterSTi trans has a 3.54FD. I know b/c it was shipped with a 3.9 that didn't play well and had to get a 3.54 FD rear diff from an '06 STi.


Here's a question for you: My FSTi trans is non-dccd. Any idea what the power ratio front/rear is? Not sure if they are 50/50 or 35/65.


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Just an FYI, my ForesterSTi trans has a 3.54FD. I know b/c it was shipped with a 3.9 that didn't play well and had to get a 3.54 FD rear diff from an '06 STi.


Here's a question for you: My FSTi trans is non-dccd. Any idea what the power ratio front/rear is? Not sure if they are 50/50 or 35/65.


Good info, nominated this for a sticky.
I don't know WHY Subaru put the step-up gear in the transmission. Makes me wanna run a 4.444 rear and leave the DCCD off and it'll be MORE rear biased. ahhaha

all non-DCCD as far as I know, are a 50:50 split running a VLSD 4kg center diff.
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I don't know WHY Subaru put the step-up gear in the transmission. Makes me wanna run a 4.444 rear and leave the DCCD off and it'll be MORE rear biased. ahhaha

all non-DCCD as far as I know, are a 50:50 split running a VLSD 4kg center diff.
My '04 ForesterXT came stock with a 4.44 5 speed. The FSTi trans is very similar to the stock FXT trans, but with an overdrive. Stock trans was running 3800 rpm's at 80mph in 5th, FSTi I can put it in 6th and I am running about 2900 rpm's at 80mph. I figure in gas savings alone this swap should pay for itself.
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My '04 ForesterXT came stock with a 4.44 5 speed. The FSTi trans is very similar to the stock FXT trans, but with an overdrive. Stock trans was running 3800 rpm's at 80mph in 5th, FSTi I can put it in 6th and I am running about 2900 rpm's at 80mph. I figure in gas savings alone this swap should pay for itself.
What I'd like would be putting in STi RA gears into that FXT tranny. It'd give you a taste of lets say a JDM STi Version 6 RA tranny. Gearing makes a big difference. My friend's VF39'd/TBE/Stg2 Sti ECU Forester XT just pulls from me when he WOTs it from a 40mph in comparison to my JDM 6spd even when I brake boost at 40mph.
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I had just finished swappin a '97 Outback 4.111FD tranny onto a Stg2 WRX. The drive was awesome. I will make a video tomorrow and a write up on it.
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THIS!!!!! I did a few calculations and OMFG the '97 4.111FD Outback tranny on this WRX runs VERY similar speeds and gear spacing as the '07 Sti 6spd in gears 1-4!!! 5th gear isn't as crazy SHORT as the '07 6spd but... still shorter than normal. I will get a video... sorry been delaying... do a 1-5 gear pull. I've always enjoyed the NA ratios and hated the USDM WRX trannie's ratios..... but that's me. I run a JDM DCCD 6spd for those who are wondering...

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Great write up!

When you talk about the Legacy Spec B 6-speed, are you talking about the 2009 U.S. version?

And what kind of DCCD does it have compared with the Sti's trans?
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Great write up!

When you talk about the Legacy Spec B 6-speed, are you talking about the 2009 U.S. version?

And what kind of DCCD does it have compared with the Sti's trans?
I am referring to the '05 - current LGT.
The LGT 6spd doesn't have DCCD in it's tranny. I really think that they should have that system in the 5spds like the autos. I really think that the current Automatic trannies use the same concept as the STi's DCCD with their 45:55 torque splits.


HERE IS the NEW Video of the Outback tranny!!!
I am sorry that on the first part for regular driving the boost gauge blocks the lower RPMs on the regular driving. I was shifting at 3000rpms. You can hear in the video the exhaust and have an idea how much RPMs it drops. The 2nd half of the video shows a 1-5 gear pull shifting at nearly 7000rpms. Take NOTE that between shifts the clutch slips as it's grabbing so the RPM starts anywhere from 300-800rpms higher than than where it should actually start. I will get a better video tomorrow RIGHT AT the cluster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNYjc4ZcoU


Here are 2 videos of '07 STi in comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8lPBzANZ9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQXEU9Alic

STOCK WRX for comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLK-kVX89E

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In comparison, WRX STi Ver4 non-DCCD tranny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiHvWsy27kw

Unsure ratios of Canadian spec Outback Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO4yHxjniYY
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