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Old 02-19-2009, 07:10 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Complete Rookie at Detailing, Pros Please Help!

Alright guys, I am in need of some advice. I am completely new to true detailing, currently I am looking at this bundle http://www.superiorcarcare.net/popocapoprki.html I've read alot about the Poorboy's products and the Porter Cable 7424 random polisher needless to say I like what I've read. With this kit I am trying to cover two different vehicles. One is an 03 truck that is my camping/hunting rig its got some serious scratches which dont bother come fall but I'd like it to look as good as possible in the summer . The second one is my 08 OBP WRX. Black is an awesome color but after a harsh Idaho winter with sand, de-icer etc the paint is in need of some help. So sorry for the book but as I said I am a complete n00b and just want to run this by some people that know what they are doing. Any advice/input is appreciated.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:35 PM   #2
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To be honest, alot of people will tell you how serious detailing is. But for you, here's what I'd get as far as tools.
-2 buckets, with grit guards in the bottom. (search "2 bucket method")
-1 wash mit, and one wheel brush + an old toothbrush for hard to reach rim spots
-random orbital

-and a good chamois.

after that, you gotta get chemicals, what you get is up to you. I use Car-Brite stuff because that's what we use at work.. and I like it just fine. No need to buy really expensive stuff either. For gross scratches, 3M G3 is easy to use by hand (dont rub hard, or on a dry surface), then a light polish for after g3 spot use, and a a cleaner or sealer wax should get you by just fine

edit: I should also add that a few orbital pads are a good idea, and microfibre cloths.
- for windows, glass cleaner (stoners is good IMO), a terry cloth towel to start, then finish with a clean, dry microfibre to buff off streaking left behind from the terry cloth.
- also, rain-x or another water repellant is great, and I absolutely love it!
- if your car isn't beading anymore, it wouldnt hurt to put a bit of wax on.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:43 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply man really I was curious about if the Porter Cable 7424 was a decent one, and if poorboys swirl removers were good products and if 2.5 was enough to get out the bad scrathes in my 03. Thank alot man
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:26 PM   #4
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....the PC 7424 is a capable machine for correction to an extent. The key is to use pads ~6 inches or less to help keep the machine from bogging down. It has a forced orbit but not rotation. A little too much pressure and the machine will bog. ....too big a pad and the issue becomes glaringly obvious. I would also suggest looking at other machines like the Flex 3401. It is a more robust random orbital and can cut time, effort, etc. Unlike the PC, its rotation is forced & keeps moving even when pressure is applied. It's arguably the closest your going to get to an orbital polisher while maintaining the benefits of a ROB. The downside is the price. ....an average $279 compared to the typical $149 sticker price of the PC (you can even find PC's for $110 - $130 depending on where you look). ....I have the PC btw. It’s a decent machine.

Subaru paint is relatively soft and easy to blemish. The good news is that (in a way) it makes it relatively easy to correct as a result. ....less aggressiveness is required. As for your truck, it really depends on the finish. Some makes/models are tougher than others. Having said that, there are detailers in these forums who use the PC and have successfully corrected various vehicles without a problem. ...it just takes more effort and/or finding the right pad/product.

I have never used Poorboys but those who have seem to like them (as you have obviously found out). The trick is the use the least aggressive method necessary to get the job done. For example, if you try the SR1 and notice it isn't quite cutting it (literally), switch to the 2.5 (and then back to the SR1 to finish). Pad choice will also help given that the different types have various cutting ability. .....Orange for a heavier cut, White for a lighter cut and Gray for no cut (for application of glazes, sealants, etc.).

Just a side note.... I am all for saving a buck especially when a cheaper product can do the job just as well or at least meet your expectations. However, that is not to say that just because something costs more, its price isn’t justified. Buy a polisher like the one pictured above and you will regret it. ....and likely end up buying the equipment everyone recommended to you in the first place. This is true in your choice of pads, MF towels, washing equipment, etc.

I would suggest reading through the following articles. They are short, well written and packed with good info:

http://www.autopia.org/publish/categ...-To-Detailing/

Autopia also has one of the best, largest detailing forums around. Its where I go when I'm looking for input on the latest products, tips, etc.:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/index.php

....detailing is only as serious as you make it.

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Old 02-20-2009, 12:30 PM   #5
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:09 PM   #6
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Alright guys, I am in need of some advice. I am completely new to true detailing, currently I am looking at this bundle http://www.superiorcarcare.net/popocapoprki.html I've read alot about the Poorboy's products and the Porter Cable 7424 random polisher needless to say I like what I've read. With this kit I am trying to cover two different vehicles. One is an 03 truck that is my camping/hunting rig its got some serious scratches which dont bother come fall but I'd like it to look as good as possible in the summer . The second one is my 08 OBP WRX. Black is an awesome color but after a harsh Idaho winter with sand, de-icer etc the paint is in need of some help. So sorry for the book but as I said I am a complete n00b and just want to run this by some people that know what they are doing. Any advice/input is appreciated.

The kit you are looking at is fine. I'd actually recommend this one over it: http://autogeek.net/optimum-porter-cable-kit.html
But before recommending a bunch of stuff to you, I'd ask what your goals are for the vehicles. What are you trying to achieve? Do you want perfect paint? Just a nice shine? How much time do you really want to invest.Etc...Because detailing means different things to different people.

Kits are fine and all but there are a few areas you should really focus your attention and $$. Washing and drying is huge. This is where most of your swirls come from in the first place. So invest in learning how to properly wash and dry, and the proper products to do so. Towels!!! Good towels are a must, and keep them in good condition. Once I have a car in perfect condition, it will probably only see a polisher every couple of years or more, because I know how, and I have the right tools, to wash and dry without inducing swirls, and I keep it waxed.

But anyway, assess what it is you want to get done before jumping into a kit or other products. Also, read the through the links Kean posted.
Once you have an idea of what you want to do I'd be give some thoughts on prodcuts for the job.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:52 PM   #7
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my work sells the 7424 and replacement pads. pm me. if you go that route. but that optimum kit looks good.
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:12 PM   #8
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:16 PM   #9
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On a side note I think it's hilarious that in the picture, manual is spelled correctly less than a CM above the italic font where it is subsequently misspelled, lol
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:26 PM   #10
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Thanks for the reply man really I was curious about if the Porter Cable 7424 was a decent one, and if poorboys swirl removers were good products and if 2.5 was enough to get out the bad scrathes in my 03. Thank alot man
I borrowed the PC from a friend for my black Forester. It is my winter car and has seen many New England winters.

I used Optimum Compound with the orange pad then a light polish with the grey. Finished up with Klasse-All-In one and a carnauba wax by hand. Came out great.

Watched videos on how to break down the product correctly with the PC first. +1 to info on autogeek.net.
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:33 PM   #11
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The kit you are looking at is fine. I'd actually recommend this one over it: http://autogeek.net/optimum-porter-cable-kit.html
....on a side note.... Tex, have you had a chance to use the Optimum Polish 2? ....thoughts as to how it compares to the orginal? I still have a bottle of the first version I'm using but wouldn't mind trying out the new one if it's worth it.
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Old 02-20-2009, 05:30 PM   #12
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....on a side note.... Tex, have you had a chance to use the Optimum Polish 2? ....thoughts as to how it compares to the orginal? I still have a bottle of the first version I'm using but wouldn't mind trying out the new one if it's worth it.
I have not actually. Seems like every time I restock, something new comes out! So I still have a fair amount of the last version. But in probably a couple months I will need Polish again, as I use it a lot, so I'll be picking it up.

But from what I understand it works just as great as always, now with less working time. So I'll be looking forward to that. I use Menz a lot because of that, but I HATE the dust it produces (even the new 106FA dusts too much), so I am very anxious to get the new 2 line.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:25 PM   #13
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I have not actually. Seems like every time I restock, something new comes out! So I still have a fair amount of the last version. But in probably a couple months I will need Polish again, as I use it a lot, so I'll be picking it up.

But from what I understand it works just as great as always, now with less working time. So I'll be looking forward to that. I use Menz a lot because of that, but I HATE the dust it produces (even the new 106FA dusts too much), so I am very anxious to get the new 2 line.
....I have the same problems with products. I keep telling myself that I need to stop until I use up my old stuff.

That was one of the reasons I like the Optimum Polish (low dust). However, after using it with a PC, I can see the criticism re: working time (likely a whole different story with a rotary). .....glad to hear that is apparently improved. Regardless, I still like it and it seems to work well on my WRX & Forester for overall minor & moderate spot correction.


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Old 02-20-2009, 08:27 PM   #14
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Thanks guys for all the information. It looks like I have some more reading to do . But as for my goals with the cars. I would really like to keep the WRX looking really good, although I take it on gravel roads, dirt roads etc so absolutely perfect paint is not an option. But after a summer of dealing with the swirls I hate to do it again. I'm willing to invest some time in keeping the car polished/swirl free. As for my truck I would probably not spent near as much maitenance time on it but a 12-14 hr day to get it to a good point is no problem. I wash every other weekend if not every weekend, I would assume that this would be enough for up keep? Thanks again guys.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:53 AM   #15
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meguires website is best i think, check them out.
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Old 02-24-2009, 10:15 PM   #16
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I have had excellent success with the PC using Sonus poslishes and pads. Get the PC and the smaller (3" I think) backing plate and pads for hard to reach spots and tough to remove marks. I own nothing but black cars and the PC has been great for swirl removal and even some pretty deep scratches I thought would never come out. Kean recommended the best site I know of for detailing, Autopia. The below site also helped me out a lot when I first started;

http://paintcare-n-detailing.com/video.html

CAUTION: Once you start detialing you'll be hooked.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:19 PM   #17
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some links were already posted, but all I can say is...

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some links were already posted, but all I can say is...

AUTOPIA
There really is a lot of info there. But I like to caution newbies, there is alot of junk over there too. Realize there are a lot of weekenders and fanboys that spout their word as gold. Best thing to do is go into the pro section and see what they are doing. There are some really quality guys there. I don't post over there, but I do network with a lot of them through email and PM.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:39 AM   #19
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^^^^ ...definitely. It takes some reading and a little research on your own, but after a while you begin to hone your own "BS detector" skills. Eventually, you learn who you can trust and when you should take what you read with a grain of salt. What really sucks is the multitude of parrots on these forums. The problem is made worse when they get a hold of bad information and start spreading it around as if it were the Gospel truth. .....a lot of folks are running around with blinders on and simply soak it up.

It's good to listen to others but do your own research as well.
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LoL @ parrot. I've never heard it put that way, but thats exactly right. A lot of them regurgitate info without personal experience as well.
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