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Old 02-02-2008, 05:22 PM   #1
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Just wanted to hear some successful conversion stories.

I have had some experience with Subaru conversions, Its a fun thing about Subarus , being lego-like as they are.

Wanted to hear some of your stories including problems, new findings on compatible parts, lessons learned, any knowledge gained on wiring, any solutions to problems eccountered, and of course the success story of the end product.

Please include Cars year and donor car year, list of parts swapped. And any other useful info

Thanks everyone

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Old 02-02-2008, 06:10 PM   #2
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well, I got tired of trying to think of all the parts I've got on there, so I wrote a page on my site for it.
It started life with a 3-speed automatic tranny, FWD, one injector, a distributer, and only 1.8l of displacement.....

now it has 4 injectors, 3 diffs, 2 coils, 5 gears, 3 pedals, and 2.2l!!
meet the Frankenwagon:
http://www.numbchuxconversions.com/frankenwagon.htm
hmmm...that reminds me.....I should put some pics of this years ice race up there too.....

got about 17k miles on the setup. putting the body at 192k, and the engine at 267k!!

love it to death. good mileage, pretty reliable (pizza delivery abuse up here in the cold and rough roads is hard on it), and second gear STILL puts an ear-to-ear grin on my face EVERY time.

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Old 02-03-2008, 10:32 AM   #3
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very impressed

I really like the WRX wheels on that.

looks like a great car!

I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:13 PM   #4
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for EJ20G swaps.

Don't mix up the MAF and the igniter plugs.....

they interplug into each other's sockets

umm.. also dont electrical tape up all your wiring until you're sure that everything works.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:53 AM   #5
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dont electrical tape up all your wiring until you're sure that everything works.
or use corregated plastic loom, and only a little tape
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:23 AM   #6
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97 legacy GT with an 03 wrx motor/tranny
VF34
TGV deletes
Walbro FP
Blues
Big TMIC
APS UP
Invidia DP
HKS custom fabricated HI Power
APS recirc BOV
STi Inlet
Im sure there were parts im missing here but you get the point.....my biggest lessons learned are:
Send wiring to someone else
make sure you have a COMPLETE donor car
might as well mod it while you build it
when something goes wrong step back and think about it cause you may be over looking something simple
have fun w/ it

Heres a pic


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Old 04-19-2009, 11:42 AM   #7
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Nice legacy I like
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:14 PM   #8
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I've got a 96' impreza wagon that received EVERYTHING (but the back seat) from a 03' wrx.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1434059

Also just finished a swap for a friend of mine... 02' TS wagon which got EVERYTHING from a 06' wrx
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...+tuned+by+kito
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:53 AM   #9
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99 rs to a v4 drivetrain. I think the biggest lessons was to get the whole donor or whole front if from japan and do all the high mileage maintenance before the swap ( headgaskets, clutch, etc.) it also helps to budget a couple of $,$$$ more than what you thought. I know I found ways to spend it.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:12 AM   #10
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89 XT6 with engine from 03 outback H6
early 90's manual tranny
05 leg GT wheels



88 Rx with 01 legacy GT (SOHC 2.5)
later 90's tranny with 3.9 ratio
89 XT6 wheels... had a donor :P

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Old 04-20-2009, 10:37 AM   #11
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04 Sti donor car into a 2000 2.5RS sedan
Random things of note off the top of my head:

-I haven't been able to locate radiator brackets for use of a GD rad in a GC chassis. I've seen a prototype and tried to pursue them but the maker decided not to produce them on a full scale. It's not hard to make your own but it would be nice to have some nice looking machined ones.
-I used the ECS(East Coast Swappers) Drive by wire pedal adapter plate. Makes mounting the pedal easy and hassle free - nice piece.
-I recommend using as much from the donor car as you can. Gas tank, wiring harnesses, etc. I used everything I could. The only 2000 wiring harnesses left in the car are in the dome and doors. This cuts down on splicing.
-I used the GD cluster in the GC dash, a little cutting of the dash and it fits fine. There will be open space in the corners, but that doesn't bother me personally.
-The splicing isn't too bad. The lights/horn/wiper motor/dome are pretty straight forward. Some electrical experience is required to splice the ignition stuff on the steering column and HVAC. The HVAC is kind of weird to splice in because the STi uses an auto climate system and it's electronically controlled where my 2.5RS is cable operated. Had my father help me get that all working soundly. I also had some trouble with the doors because my wiring diagrams were not matching up at all. I had to power probe it all and figure it out like that. Not terribly hard just time consuming.
-I used everything: Entire suspension minus the front and rear struts, entire braking system including the ABS pump/hubs/rotors/etc (minus the lines, those all matched up fine, assuming the car you're swapping into had ABS), All wiring harnesses (engine/dash/incabin/bulk/etc), Cluster, Entire longblock with all accessories, 6spd trans with working dccd and all, radiator.. Pretty much an 04 STi wearing GC clothing.. or as close to it as you can get. Tho I would LOVE to get the GD dash and seats into my car eventually.
-There is a unit, I believe for the ABS, that is located near the glove box. This needs to be mounted in a certain position if I recall correctly. Parallel to the ground or something. I'm kind of hazey on this memory so if i'm wrong someone please correct me.
-If you ever plan to paint the car I would highly recommend painting the engine bay first while everything is out of it.

This is all just off the top of my head... there is definitely more tips and advice to help one through the swap process but i'm not going to sit here and write a novel. Any questions I would be happy to help anyone with though so feel free to shoot me a PM! I had a few people on the board help me when I was stuck and I really appreciated it, so I guess in repayment I can try my hardest to pass on the help to others.

A downfall for me on this swap was I didn't buy the donor car itself, I just bought everything off of it through a friend. So I didn't get to see exactly how everything was mounted on the STi. Might sound sort of funny but it would of helped me a lot. To see exactly where/how each sensor is mounted. When I first got the swap done I was in a rush and kind of just zip tied alot of things to keep them secure, which really wasn't a great idea. On bumps you would hear noises from the dash and stuff. And stupid little things like I didn't mount the ambient temp sensor right and the wires were pinched under the radiator so it would work for like 5 minutes until the car started building temps and then would lose signal. Pay good attention during the tear down. Make sure everything behind the dash is nice and tight or you'll get little squeeks or rattles like I did. Take your time or you'll have a bunch of stupid little kinks to work out like I did. But hey, live and learn, and I had a ton of fun doing it all... zero regrets.


(check engine light was on for a gross evap leak.. aka the gas station attendant didn't tighten the cap enough. God I wish we could pump our own gas in NJ)


Right now i've had the swap done for about 3 years.. time flies. I've just been daily driving it so far.. on a stage 2 protune + EWG dumped to atmosphere. I've been saving up parts over these years though and this car is really going to be a beast! I can't wait



(gt3076R kit, tial 44mm dumped to atmos, pe850's, grimmspeed coated/ported tgvs + thermal spacers, gruppe s header, blitz FMIC, element AOS....the list goes on)

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Old 04-20-2009, 10:58 AM   #12
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96 Legacy GT w/ 04 WRX engine running on 02 WRX ecu/wiring.

Its the second ej20 swap ive done so it was all pretty straightforward. The 4eat wiring was a little different but nothing to crazy. The wiring is my favorite part. love it.










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Old 04-20-2009, 01:19 PM   #13
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88 Rx with 01 legacy GT (SOHC 2.5)
later 90's tranny with 3.9 ratio
89 XT6 wheels... had a donor :P
that XT6 is gorgeous.
How well does the EJ25 stack up compared to an EA82T?
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:31 PM   #14
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01rs to 04 2.0 stg 4 wrx using an 03 ecu/wiring w/utec and a vf-34. Got bored with the 2.0 now 2.5l hybrid with wiseco pistons, TD06 20G, EWG, ppg's, cusco diffs, aem ems, meth, custom intake manifold thanks to All Aspects, and pretty much everything else other than a fully built motor.

2 Lesson's Learned
1. Just because the subaru electrical wiring book says that a plug pins out a certain way doesn't mean that it really does. TGV pins on the motor harness's plug where in a different row than on the Bulkhead harness plug. I did all of my continuity and power checks by splitting it at that plug. Took forever to figure out hey these pins are in row whatever and here they are in a different one. Doh .

2. The Black/Red wires in the dash are both power and ground. Dont accidentally merge one of the grounds to one that supplies power. You will fry your ecu or Utec. Fortunately I was able to get it fixed really cheap.

I did the original swap in 2005 with a lot of help from the local guys in HR, got bored with the 2.0 and went 2.5 hyb in 07 I think. Over 50k since the original swap and still going.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:23 AM   #15
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did my first swap in spring of 03...it was an 02 wrx motor into a 94. I've since learned its much easier to merge obd-2 harnesses into other ob2 cars

also some of the smaller systems, cruise, abs, ac, etc...are a bit easier.

Love it and drove the car everyday for about 5 years in various states. AWD, RWD, STi 6-spd...4.11, 4.44, 3.90...factory turbo, VF39, Water injection...factory ecu, utec, link ems. It died in a car wreck Nov 07...


Now I'm doing the lazy man's route and just have a hydra that I have "minimal" wiring to deal with on the current project. Found the donor chassis Feb 08 and finally got a garage to start chipping away at it in December/January 08...hopefully it'll be getting wrapped up in the month or so.

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Old 04-21-2009, 02:19 AM   #16
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that XT6 is gorgeous.
How well does the EJ25 stack up compared to an EA82T?
Thanks, my XT is my baby.

When I first did the swap on the Rx people always made the comment "one HG problem for a newer one" and kinda shunned me on the old school board. My opinion is that they are great motors that can be had really cheap. The 165 hp vs the 1.8Ts 115 is a HUGE difference, the car went from a high 18 second car to a low 15 second car. On top of that it got +30 MPG when driven nicely and had lots of fun in the weather with it's new found low end grunt. The EA82T is junk, old, underpowered, unreliable junk. Makes the problematic EJ25 look like a star.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:47 AM   #17
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since this has lots of old school swaps i will add mine...

Car started life out as a 88 GL-10 Wagon with ~110BHP, now has a 96 EJ20G with just under 300 AWHP 275 AWTQ.

I drive this car every day and love every min. of it...

looking for next upgrade...

Mod List:

EJ20G from 96 WRX
(45K miles at time of swap, 35K since swap)
WRX 4.111:1 Trans w/ LSD R160 Rear diff
ViPEC ECU
Modded 780cc STI Side feed Injectors
05 STI Ignition Coil mod
APS Blow Off Valve
Blitz Electronic Boost control Regulator
5 lug swap (front: WRX rear: XT6)
Welwood 4pot front calipers w/ 12 rotors
XT6 rear disk brakes
Nissan 200sx rear calipers (Rear parking brake)
Tein Flex coilovers w/ EDFC (from 2005+ Legacy)
17" wheels w/ 205/40/R17 tires
255Lph Welbro Fuel Pump
XT6 Mirrors
RX body kit
Full custom 3 turbo back exhaust
eBay down-pipe and flex up-pipe
Godspeed FMIC
XT6 sway bars (24mm) front and rear
HKS turbo timer
Nardi Torino steering wheel
Momo titanium shift knob







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Old 04-22-2009, 01:19 PM   #18
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Wow those are some great looking Subies. I've been doing a lot of reading as I hope to someday swap my '97 LGT.
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Old 04-23-2009, 09:44 AM   #19
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95 L sedan to 98 V4 JDM STi

buy a clip!!! you'll kick yourself after you've spent months finding parts you didn't know were needed. i needed random differential clips, new LSD half shafts form an 02 forester, custom rad brackets(JDM's were trash), rear disc swap parts, swaybar and mount kit for non swaybar equipped L sedan, RHD>LHD wiring lengthening, and custom heater setup running the 95 blower, etc off the 98 controls......... yeah, you read that right, custom a/c grafting, custom power steering line grafting...... other stuff i can't recall!

always prepare $$ wise. if you think it's going to run you $500 for a part, plan on doubling that. time wise do the same thing, theres always parts you'll have to wait on, etc.

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Old 08-07-2011, 01:18 PM   #20
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Keep this going lets hear of more conversions
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:40 PM   #21
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Talking 1997 Legacy GT w/ '05 WRX conversion

1997 Legacy GT with an '05 WRX complete conversion (not just engine/trans but also ABS, immobilizer, gauge cluster, cruise, etc) and assorted other goodies. I wish I had more time to enjoy it and am thinking about more power!

Lessons learned were that the swap will take longer and cost more than you plan for, & buying a complete running donor car is definitely the best way to go. Wiring can be fun and isn't that hard if you do your homework and take your time!

Dan



Current Mod List:

Engine
2005 WRX EJ205, rebuilt w/ STi rods & ACL race bearings
2004 STi cams
TGVs deleted, intake ported and gasket matched
Parallel fuel rail mod
Sard RJ fuel pressure regulator
STi "pink" 565cc injectors
USDM STi intercooler & bpv
Samco intercooler hose kit
Helix catless up-pipe
JDM V6 STi VF29 turbo (deadbolt pnp)
APS Turbo Inlet Pipe
DomTune BCS
Innovate LC-1 Wideband
STi Group-N Engine Mounts & pitch stop mount
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
GPMoto 3" catted downpipe
custom 2004 STi catback
SPT battery tie-down
Beatrush Pulley Cover
DomTuned

Drivetrain
2005 WRX 5-speed transmission, LSD rear differential, axles & hubs
Subaru Extra-s
ClutchMasters FX100 clutch
Braided SS clutch line & damper delete
STi Group-N transmission mount
Kartboy short shifter
TIC front & rear shifter mounts
STi Group-N rear cross member mounts
Whiteline differential outrigger bushings
Superpro rear differential bushings

Brakes
05 Baja front brakes
03 Outback rear calipers & rotors
Braided SS lines
2005 WRX ABS system

Suspension & Steering
Endura-Tech Coilovers
2004 STi steering rack (15:1 ratio)
STi Group-N rear lateral and trailing link bushings
Superpro ALK
Whiteline Roll center correction kit
Whiteline steering rack bushings
JDM STi GC8 Front Lower Control Arms
Custom front endlinks
Cobb 22mm hollow front sway bar
Whiteline 20mm rear sway bar
JDM STi GC8 carbon fiber front strut tower bar
STi replica rear strut tower bar

Wheels (Summer):
Prodrive P1 17x7 ET52 Rims
Kumho Ecsta SPT 215/45R17 Tires

Wheels (Winter):
Stock 'snowflake' Rims
205/55R16 Nokian RSi Tires

Interior:
Sparco Milano Driver's Seat
STi 'piston' shift knob
WRX pedal covers
2005 WRX gauge cluster
2004 WRX steering wheel
2004 STi OEM boost gauge
2006 STi OEM floor mats
XD-16 AFR gauge
SPA Techniques Fuel & Oil Pressure gauges
Full RAAMmat in floor & doors

Electronics:
Complete 2005 WRX conversion (ecu, keyless, alarm, cruise control, abs, etc)
Odyssey PC925 battery
Escort X50
Clarion CZ500 CD/MP3 player
Infinity Reference 6012i front speakers
Tactrix Cable for open source tuning

Exterior:
JDM Headlights
JDM Taillights
JDM 'L7' grill
1999 Legacy wiper arms w/ spoiler
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:57 PM   #22
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Default 1997 Legacy outback now powered with 97 JDM WRX.

Finally all put together and driving around.
Some points, in no particular order:
It took longer than I thought.
Wiring was a bit of a pain, even though I had Ritewire do a "merge" --I should have done it myself.-Get all the ECU pinouts PRIOR to buying the replacement engine, and get everything from the donor engine..
WOW it pulls way harder than I thought it would.
The stock legacy steering rack would not bolt to the 05 sti crossmember I bought, so I got an sti steering rack.. so, I had to use a combo of power steering hoses.
The clutch reservoir had to be cut down to make room for the intercooler.
With a little bit of custom plumbing I used the stock legacy radiator, and kept the stock turbo cooling reservoir, no overheating. (but I am in Canada).
The joint between the steering rack and steering column had to be made.
Everything works!.. A/C, cruise, and all that, the only thing I don’t have is OBD II.
HD clutch is a must.
Turbo flywheels and stock Leggy flywheels are not the same.
The engine bay is FULL.
I kept the stock downpipe and just had a shop do the rest in 3in pipe.. not to expensive but effective.
Did I mention---WOW it pulls way harder than I thought it would?
As long as you stay away from the giggle peddle a reasonable amount, the fuel mileage is not that much different than the stock 2.5 was.
I kept the stock boost control.
The pillar pod for a 93 chev fullsize truck fits this vintage of outback reasonably well, as long as you don’t mind doing a little cutting of the pillar pod.
That little hood scoop looks so much better when you know there is an intercooler under it .nobody expects anything from an old outback wagon... SURPRISE!!!
Legacy tie rods and STI tie rods are different.
Would I do it again?.. YES!! In a flash..
contact me if you have any questions.

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Old 09-16-2011, 04:06 PM   #23
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2000 3.3rs
EG33 swap
e85, FAPFab parts

1999 3.3rs
EG33
FAPFab intake
FAPFab long tube headers

1998 Forester 3.3L
Eg33 swap
FAPFab parts

1995 Impreza 3.3L
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:14 PM   #24
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2000 3.3rs
EG33 swap
e85, FAPFab parts

1999 3.3rs
EG33
FAPFab intake
FAPFab long tube headers

1998 Forester 3.3L
Eg33 swap
FAPFab parts

1995 Impreza 3.3L
E85
8.0:1
Garrett 60-1
someone has a 6cyl fetish?! lol

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Old 09-21-2011, 01:37 AM   #25
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99 RS Chassis
06 Legacy GT EJ255 motor + VF39 + aftermarket stuff
04 STi Transmission
04 STi drivetrain
05 STi interior
04 STi ECU

1.) When buying a chassis, especially where you get snow don't settle for one with rust of any amount. Take the time and money to get a good chassis.
2.) If you're doing a GD era swap (Like I did) buy an entire car. With that said you might be better off buying a running fine STi, seems like the going rate for crashed STi's are more in some cases. I ended up spending about 10,500 in parts when a chassis/car would have cost me $9-10k and about a full weeks worth of time figuring out issues.
3.) Do an ENTIRE interior swap. It takes less time and is easier on the brain to just modify the GD dash beam than to rewire the entire HVAC system/gauge cluster. Plus the GD dash and HVAC controls are 10x better/better looking.
4.) For a legacy/08+WRX (non STi) engine the FPR is NOT on the fuel rail, it's between the engine and the fuel lines, it took me a week of figuring out why my Subaru wouldn't run, because I assumed it was on the rail like every other Subaru I've owned.
5.) Get ALL of the electronic manuals and read the manual instructions, so you understand the wiring diagrams in full detail.
6.) If your oil pan is damaged during shipping (if you buy your engine separately like I did) fix the oil pan BEFORE putting it in the car. If you do it after you just have to drop the subframe again.
7.) If you're doing a GD WRX or Legacy GT engine swap this is the easiest route when it comes to the ECU. Buy an 04-07 STi engine wiring harness and plug in all of the sensors, tgv, etc. Use an STi chassis wiring harness and then get an '04 STi ECU. Lookup the 3 or so wires to swap at the ECU plug and that saves time/money buying the key and immobilizer crap.
8.) If you can get an 05 drivetrain, this has the good bolt pattern and wheels are easier to find with the 5x114 bolt pattern.
9.) You can use the stock master cylinder for the upgraded brembos, I use it on mine.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Everything works and I've put about 15k miles on the car in one of the roughest winters MN has had in a while. Take your time, it took me 2 months to strip it, research and rewire the chassis. It may take you less or more time, the point is do it right and it'll work out.
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