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Old 09-07-2009, 03:35 PM   #101
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uh....nevermind. Not worth it on this t/c if you're attempting to remain in a budget:

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...de=Turbo-Parts

237.00 for the wheel alone.....

So would you think that with this spiky unit that a good I/C like a TXS TMIC would be a worthy upgrade too or would this be a waste considering what you're doing with it?
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:32 PM   #102
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make me a believer!!
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:46 PM   #103
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really?? niiiice, what are the supporting mods to the 19t?
i have modded stock injecters.upgraded pump, full exhaust and hybrid boost control.im running 18 to19 psi so far.im playing with the tune now.
i hated my vf39.
blouch clips the turbine wheel and minor port and polishes the turbine entrance.so the hot side flows more than stock.
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:40 PM   #104
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i have modded stock injecters.upgraded pump, full exhaust and hybrid boost control.im running 18 to19 psi so far.im playing with the tune now.
i hated my vf39.
blouch clips the turbine wheel and minor port and polishes the turbine entrance.so the hot side flows more than stock.
nice all i need is injectors when i get this turbo then. i'll be doing this very soon!

i love low end power
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Old 09-08-2009, 01:44 AM   #105
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Dude, 19T's sound sick... And are close to my 300-325WHP goal.

MOAR INFOZ! <3
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:35 AM   #106
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i have modded stock injecters.upgraded pump, full exhaust and hybrid boost control.im running 18 to19 psi so far.im playing with the tune now.
i hated my vf39.
blouch clips the turbine wheel and minor port and polishes the turbine entrance.so the hot side flows more than stock.

does power drop off after 5k? 6k? does it hold power better than the stock td04 5k+?

also why did you hate the vf39 compared to 19t? the lag?

sounds so tempting...hmm...
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Old 09-08-2009, 04:23 AM   #107
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300 WHP with 19T is probably impossible. Maybe with ewg and race gas tune, who knows. I'd be happy with 270 whp that would full spool before 3k rpm.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:52 AM   #108
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I'm not concerned about peak you make at some point. Its all about the area under the curve for me. It seems this upgrade puts down quite a bit of torque very early on. That is very useful. Do some research on other vehicles that get this specific upgrade. Its not unique. Saab's, Mitsus, volvos, etc seem to be on the td04 19t bandwagon, but most of them have very different motors with slightly better hot sides.
270whp is a lot of power considering our drivetrains. You can do a lot with that, especially if you're making so much torque so early on.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:18 PM   #109
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does power drop off after 5k? 6k? does it hold power better than the stock td04 5k+?

also why did you hate the vf39 compared to 19t? the lag?

sounds so tempting...hmm...
i cant say for sure yet since its not done or dynoed.it feels very strong from 2500 on up to redline.you dont get that i dont even need to look at my rpms feeling that you get with the tdo4 when you run out of power at 5500.im gonna do some more tweaking tonight.
i hated the vf39 because of the lag.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:35 PM   #110
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Thought I would bump this tread back up with my results of the Blouch TD04-19T on my 05 WRX. This thread was helpful awhile back and it felt appropriate to add some info...

Mod List
Stock 2.0l
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This graph was not the finished product, the final graph is alot smother... but it shows the difference between my stage 2 setup over the TD04-19t aftermath. spools fast as hell on the street I'm seeing 19-20psi at 2700rpm and ended up with 277hp and 277ft-lbs


and here's the difference between a VF39 (dotted line) and the Blouch TD04-19t (Solid line)

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I like to see how this turbo blows the socks off the VF-39 even with the stock air box and basically a stock cat back


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LOL, I figured I stop in and see if i could find any performance numbers from this turbo, as it seems to be a hot topic. Dyno numbers dont mean much, im curious of traps.

It seems to make decent power with great spool, but I think you should concentrate on going faster than the fastest td04 car before trying to beat up on 39's / 43's.
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Old 09-08-2009, 01:39 PM   #111
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i cant say for sure yet since its not done or dynoed.it feels very strong from 2500 on up to redline.you dont get that i dont even need to look at my rpms feeling that you get with the tdo4 when you run out of power at 5500.im gonna do some more tweaking tonight.
i hated the vf39 because of the lag.
gotcha, hope everything goes well with the tuning. we don't mean to rush you but just very antsy for some new data. This seems like a great turbo for 2.0

datalogs would be great...curious to see exactly what is going on.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:46 PM   #112
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LOL, I figured I stop in and see if i could find any performance numbers from this turbo, as it seems to be a hot topic. Dyno numbers dont mean much, im curious of traps.

It seems to make decent power with great spool, but I think you should concentrate on going faster than the fastest td04 car before trying to beat up on 39's / 43's.
Fact...

Comparing dyno numbers are like hot chicks on myspace. Sure some look great at first, then they are a pure let-down in real life.

Traps are a more accurate way of telling power, a dyno is just a means of getting a semi-consistent, semi-accurate measure.

My stock td04 made 250/252 on pump at EPIC on a mustang. Is it faster than one that might make 240 somewhere else? You can't tell without traps and slips.
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:42 PM   #113
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^^^ I agree with what Sackslax said about dyno numbers. I've always thought of dynos as more of a tuning tool than an accurate measurement device. The one great thing they can show is boost vs rpm but that can be logged without a dyno. Trap times are iffy too because some people are willing to abuse their car more than others (I'm not saying that its a good or bad thing, especially if the car is built to handle it). I think that in the 19T upgrade vs small 16g debate, it really depends how important spool is to the cars owner.
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:55 PM   #114
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^^even boost vs rpm isn't reliable. Different dynos load the car differently, and almost every car will spool quicker on the street than any dyno, let along from dyno to dyno.

Trap speeds don't lie. Roll out and floor it, then try to launch it. The traps will be darn close. Really slow shifting will make a difference though. The main problems with comparing trap speeds lie within the differences between tunes/tuners and weather conditions.

A small 16g is good for 40 more crank hp worth of air than this turbo. Whether or not your motor or your tune will make use of that airflow potential is another story.

And for those of you thinking this turbo will get you 300 whp, you are being duped by retarded and skewed dyno numbers. That's more in line with the crank horsepower you can expect with this turbo.
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:48 PM   #115
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LOL, I figured I stop in and see if i could find any performance numbers from this turbo, as it seems to be a hot topic. Dyno numbers dont mean much, im curious of traps.

It seems to make decent power with great spool, but I think you should concentrate on going faster than the fastest td04 car before trying to beat up on 39's / 43's.
LOL you're funny ^^^ I'm NOT concerned about being the fastest TD04 out there that's not what I build my car for I have never been down a drag strip in my suby and don't plan on it.. do you seriously think I give a flying turd if my car is faster than joe shmo HaHa My main concern is spool and torque on my 2.0 and the fact is this turbo setup fits my needs better than a 39 or 43 and I don't see a VF-39 out spooling the 19t upgrade any time soon, not to mention it puts out close to the same power as a 39 and for a practically a brand new turbo you can't beat the price over a new VF-39

Also, dyno numbers and logging may not tell you much about your almighty "trap speed" and "1/4 mile times" but they do show factually information like spool and horsepower that can be utilized to compare to other setups(same dyno)... I have all the respect for drag guys, however some may come off as ignorant it's NOT what I'm into... to each his own...
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:50 PM   #116
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Anyone have an opinion on what the fastest spooling turbo is that I can make 300+WHP with?

I was thinking Evo III 16G.

Sorry for jacking 19T's thread but it has relevance.
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:24 PM   #117
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Evo3 16g could get you to 300 whp with right mods but it's not going to spool fast like the td04 does. It's either spool or power, can't really have both unless you go with race gas or something. With 2.5L block, ewg, race gas, evo3 16g, and a nice tune, you'll get over 300 whp easily with fairly good spooling.
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:40 PM   #118
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to Steve and anyone else who has gone with this upgrade. What was your final price for the upgrade and the mileage on the turbo? I know it seems like a great deal to start out, but having a turbo with higher miles might mean some new seals or a rebuild that could venture close to 16g prices.

If you would rather keep that to PM, I can respect that.
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:49 PM   #119
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to Steve and anyone else who has gone with this upgrade. What was your final price for the upgrade and the mileage on the turbo? I know it seems like a great deal to start out, but having a turbo with higher miles might mean some new seals or a rebuild that could venture close to 16g prices.

If you would rather keep that to PM, I can respect that.
I would like to know this as well, I have been lurking around this thread for some time. It will be this turbo or a 16g variant but cost is being taken into consideration as well so this would useful information.
Thanks to all who have gone this route and provided feedback.
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^^^ Same here, if anyone has done the 19t, what were the miles on the td04 and the final price?

I think either way its going to be a early x-mas present for me from myself!!!
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So to upgrade ones old TD04 to 19T at Blouch it comes to something like that:
$325 for the 19T wheel + some additional cost of rebuild + $95 P&P + tax(?) + shipping both ways... = $???
Now I have the same question.
How much did you guys pay TOTAL for the upgrade of lets say 50k+ miles WORKING TD04? I'd like to know the average price so I need a few of you to chime in.
Is there any NOTICEABLE benefit of P&P of TD04-19T or does it make more sense to put that $95 towards let's say GS high-flow cross-pipe + P&P exhaust mani?
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Old 09-10-2009, 06:05 AM   #122
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LOL you're funny ^^^ I'm NOT concerned about being the fastest TD04 out there that's not what I build my car for I have never been down a drag strip in my suby and don't plan on it.. do you seriously think I give a flying turd if my car is faster than joe shmo HaHa My main concern is spool and torque on my 2.0 and the fact is this turbo setup fits my needs better than a 39 or 43 and I don't see a VF-39 out spooling the 19t upgrade any time soon, not to mention it puts out close to the same power as a 39 and for a practically a brand new turbo you can't beat the price over a new VF-39

Also, dyno numbers and logging may not tell you much about your almighty "trap speed" and "1/4 mile times" but they do show factually information like spool and horsepower that can be utilized to compare to other setups(same dyno)... I have all the respect for drag guys, however some may come off as ignorant it's NOT what I'm into... to each his own...
Why does everyone think i was talking about dyno numbers???

Dyno numbers are trash, and if you have been in ppb for a while you would see that i have preached this year in and out.
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Fact...

Comparing dyno numbers are like hot chicks on myspace. Sure some look great at first, then they are a pure let-down in real life.
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^^^ I agree with what Sackslax said about dyno numbers. I've always thought of dynos as more of a tuning tool than an accurate measurement device. The one great thing they can show is boost vs rpm but that can be logged without a dyno. Trap times are iffy too because some people are willing to abuse their car more than others (I'm not saying that its a good or bad thing, especially if the car is built to handle it). I think that in the 19T upgrade vs small 16g debate, it really depends how important spool is to the cars owner.
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^^even boost vs rpm isn't reliable. Different dynos load the car differently, and almost every car will spool quicker on the street than any dyno, let along from dyno to dyno.

Trap speeds don't lie.
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LOL you're funny ^^^ I'm NOT concerned about being the fastest TD04 out there that's not what I build my car for I have never been down a drag strip in my suby and don't plan on it.. do you seriously think I give a flying turd if my car is faster than joe shmo HaHa
Chill pill anyone?


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Chill pill anyone?


lol, i figured when he said he would love to see how this beats up on a vf39 he was referring to drag and not spool.
If he was referring to drag, I would have been curious to see 1/4 mile times, and if they would approach or surpass dave's (opposite lock).

If your talking spool:

When I autocrossed my vf, I was always right between 4-5500 in 2nd gear, my 375 ft-lbs was pretty flat there
I was never between 2-3k. Especially launching at 6k and making the starters mad, lol!
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Hey guys, so i just sneeked in a call to blouch this morn at work cause i'm looking to do this same turbo with some other minor mods. Talked to a tech named Mike. He told me that the cost of doing the machine work and upgrading the turbine wheel comes to $325 like you see on their site. Thats if you send them a brand spanking new td04. He said you don't have to have your used turbo rebuilt but of course it is recomended. He said the total cost of the upgrade and rebuild comes to anywhere between $400 - $500, which to me still isn't bad. If you want it ported you gotta tack on another $95. turn around time is 7-10 days, you ship them your turbo, they upgrade it and send it back.
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