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Old 10-12-2009, 07:31 AM   #1
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According to the latest reports, Porsche offers an optional dual-clutch transmission for its updated Cayman, manufactured by ZF Friedrichshafen AG which apparently improves the fuel economy with up to 10 percent to 31mpg (7.6 liters per 100km) compared with the earlier versions of the car equipped with the Tiptronic S automatic transmission.

The seven-speed gearbox is also a better choice for the Cayman S, showing a 15% increase or 30.1mpg (7.8 liters per 100km). The new ZF dual-clutch transmission also prevents power loss and speeds up the gear-change process by 60 percent.

The new dual-clutch transmission is manufactured at the ZF plant in Brandenburg, near Berlin but according to Autonews, the partnership is not new because the German manufacturer also produces transmissions for the Porsche Panamera, Boxster and 911. The new dual-clutch transmission option costs 2,945.25 euros in the German market.

For those who don’t know, the updated Cayman and Boxster models were revealed at the Los Angeles Auto Show showing newly developed more-powerful boxer engines. The new Cayman delivers 256 hp, a 20 hp increase comparing it to the old model while the Cayman S has an extra 25 hp, showing a total output of 320 hp. The Porsche Cayman is priced in Germany from 50,314 euros while the Cayman S starts at 61,976 euros
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:33 AM   #2
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It's an awesome car - some people think it feels underpowered (compared to a ZR1 maybe!) but it's very composed and true to the core principles that made Porsche what it is. It's not the fastest car, nor the most powerful engine, but the driving dynamic and handling characteristics are superb. People who try to drag 911s just don't get that.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:18 AM   #3
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I would love to drive one with the new pdk as I love my moms 06 with a 6 speed. According to the local dealership they're hard to come by though. The added hp with lower fuel consumption is a huge plus too.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:18 AM   #4
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I think that the problem isn't the power, it's the power in its price bracket.

It is an extremely balanced car, but the 911 will keep it from being all that it can be, and it will be sniped from lower cost competitors.

I hope to someday snatch one up lightly used though.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:29 AM   #5
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It's an awesome car - some people think it feels underpowered (compared to a ZR1 maybe!) but it's very composed and true to the core principles that made Porsche what it is. It's not the fastest car, nor the most powerful engine, but the driving dynamic and handling characteristics are superb. People who try to drag 911s just don't get that.
Test drive one. Very competent but very boring to drive.Price escalates wildly with options. Whinny sounding and What do you mean I can't see or touch my motor?
I really like the look more than the 911. I recommend the GT-R for looks, value and much better performance at about same cost. Keep in mind the GT-R is a truly limited production car of less than 2500 per year so will also have better resale. The Cayman plummets in 2 years to near half orig. cost.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:42 AM   #6
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In the realm of fast cars, Porsche was already relatively fuel efficient. Then they added DI. Now this. I think that they will be able to get pretty close to the CAFE standards, while making their cars even better.
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Test drive one. Very competent but very boring to drive.Price escalates wildly with options. Whinny sounding and What do you mean I can't see or touch my motor?
I really like the look more than the 911. I recommend the GT-R for looks, value and much better performance at about same cost. Keep in mind the GT-R is a truly limited production car of less than 2500 per year so will also have better resale. The Cayman plummets in 2 years to near half orig. cost.
About the same cost? Boring to drive and whinny sounding? I don't think you drove a cayman s. Its so boring to drive that its been called the best driver's car or sports car made now even beating out the gtr (which is an amazing technical marvel but not a driver's car) by multiple reviews. As far as plummeting to half its value do your research a 2 year old cayman s runs about $45000 to $50000 in good condition hardly half its value.

Do I think the Cayman could be better with more power, yes, is it boring to drive, hell no. I've had a good bit of seat time in one and I would gladly replace my 400 whp sti with one if given the chance based purely on performance and feel never-mind the fit and finish which is top notch.
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About the same cost? Boring to drive and whinny sounding? I don't think you drove a cayman s. Its so boring to drive that its been called the best driver's car or sports car made now even beating out the gtr (which is an amazing technical marvel but not a driver's car) by multiple reviews. As far as plummeting to half its value do your research a 2 year old cayman s runs about $45000 to $50000 in good condition hardly half its value.

Do I think the Cayman could be better with more power, yes, is it boring to drive, hell no. I've had a good bit of seat time in one and I would gladly replace my 400 whp sti with one if given the chance based purely on performance and feel never-mind the fit and finish which is top notch.
Would u replace your 400whp Sti w a pos miata which is also *supposedly* more fun to drive?
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Would u replace your 400whp Sti w a pos miata which is also *supposedly* more fun to drive?
If it had ~300 hp was mid-engined or felt and performed in anywhere near the same league as a cayman s then yeah. What point are you trying to make?
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As far as plummeting to half its value do your research a 2 year old cayman s runs about $45000 to $50000 in good condition hardly half its value.

dude,,, YOU do your research. They do plumment. Only a fool would buy one new.
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If it had ~300 hp was mid-engined or felt and performed in anywhere near the same league as a cayman s then yeah. What point are you trying to make?
I'm trying to make the point that you quoted a magazine saying the car was more fun to drive than a GTR.

It also said the Miata was more fun to drive than all kinds of cars that no 'car-guy' in their right mind would turn down, for the keys to a miata.

Who cares what the magazine says. In reality, I'd take your word on a Cayman S being fun to drive, but don't quote that horse-**** article.

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dude,,, YOU do your research. They do plumment. Only a fool would buy one new.
I think you mean plummet.

As does every car so I guess anyone who buys a new car is a fool. I have done my research when my mom bought her 06 (2 years old at the time) a year ago.

The GTR is a performance bargain that's not being argued here but it is more expensive than a cayman S. Although I will argue about the looks but that's subjective.

MasterAuto wrote in this thread about the Cayman about how much better a GTR is for the same money. All I said was 1) they aren't the same money (the GTR is 911 money) 2) a 2 year old cayman s isn't worth half its original value. 3) The cayman is far from boring to drive if you think it is its because as Clarkson said it "you drive like a heffalump." Drive it well and it rewards you in spades.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:58 PM   #13
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They do drop in value, but so do many other cars. I would not say half of its value in 2 years as a good 2006 Cayman S is still going between 35 and 45 thousand depending on options and mileage. This is not half of its value and it is not 2 years old as the 2010 is already out I believe.

Personally, my stock 987 has been much more fun to drive than my tuned WRX although, I do mill the power a little, but I also have a base model and not an S.

As for the GT-R comments, they are two different beasts. The 987 is an amazing car on smaller tracks, autocrosses, and everyday driving, but it does come short at larger tracks where the 911 is much better equipped to handle it. There is still a decent lack of power and torque, but Porsche is trying to fix that issue. The only thing is that they can only do so much without bringing the 911 down a peg, and they do not want that under any circumstance.
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And fail he will.

edit: Quick check on Autotrader.ca has a 2007 Cayman S for $69,900CAD. Brand new configuration on porsche website runs me about $77,500CAD.

As to "Would you trade in..." - such hypothetical questions are retarded. Unfortunately with high-priced sports cars, a simple test drive is unlikely to prove which one is truly a driver's car, being that the dealership would rarely let you push these cars to their limits. I'd suggest someone lend me their Cayman S and their GTR and I will settle this dispute personally.

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