Is 6gun dead and who else would machine a sti hub to 5x100? - Page 2

STi-MAN · 11-03-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lil'redwagon

+1

i don't want to be another guinea pig for the 6 Gun customer service.

+5 million.. i'm glad they're gone.. terrible customer service.

tom@kartboy · 11-03-2009, 01:02 AM

I'm seeing Clint from TIC in two weeks. If time permits, We'll sit down and take a look at them.

Tom

wheatpaste · 11-03-2009, 03:51 AM

Awesome. Keep us suspension guys posted!

sixtoo · 11-03-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tom@kartboy

Let me look into this a bit more. My main concern is liability of machining and removing material from the hubs spindle's etc. My liability insurance is high enough with just the simple parts i make now.

Tom,
While you're at it, how about some WRX hubs and brake disks in a 5x114 bolt pattern? All other dimensions stay the same.

I sure would love some 09 STi wheels to fit on my stock 07 wagon....just sayin'

onefasazn · 11-03-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sixtoo

Tom,
While you're at it, how about some WRX hubs and brake disks in a 5x114 bolt pattern? All other dimensions stay the same.

I sure would love some 09 STi wheels to fit on my stock 07 wagon....just sayin'

I concur.

Turn in Concepts · 11-03-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sixtoo

Tom,
While you're at it, how about some WRX hubs and brake disks in a 5x114 bolt pattern? All other dimensions stay the same.

I sure would love some 09 STi wheels to fit on my stock 07 wagon....just sayin'

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Originally Posted by onefasazn

I concur.

Not possible. The hub face it not large enough OD to let you do 5x114 pattern into the old 5x100 hub.

neko · 11-03-2009, 02:33 PM

2nd that poor customer service from 6gun.
I have one of the very first set of front 05 STi hub sets they made for the 04 w/ the knuckles machined and hub redrilled. I love them, install went easily, and they've been great for years now. (And i got to keep my Tokico D-specs...

)But it took me forever to get them.

I guess worst case now is if i have to ever replace bearings again in the front, then i have to get someone else to redrill a new set. However, i could just pull my rears and install 5x114 hubs and just use stock ones on the front and run 5x114 wheels on my car. Either way i'm probably fine.

+1 For their product. Was a great service.

west · 11-03-2009, 04:11 PM

Well I tried calling but no answer today?
I made an order via the web site but im very concerned as I expected to be.
We will see... if not Iwill cancel via paypal and let my credit card go after them...
Im still hoping for somthing.... who knows...

rexworx · 11-03-2009, 04:53 PM

If these come out Ill be a Happy camper!!!

nhat · 11-03-2009, 07:51 PM

can anybody shed some light on how the adapter collars are built? when the time comes, i'm looking to do swap to 5x114.3 hubs instead of replacing my 5x100 hubs. having the knuckle machined down is easy enough to do, but i know nothing about the adapter collars.

if not, a remachined 5x114.3 to 5x100 front hub/knuckle would be the next best thing for me.

Turn in Concepts · 11-03-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nhat

can anybody shed some light on how the adapter collars are built? when the time comes, i'm looking to do swap to 5x114.3 hubs instead of replacing my 5x100 hubs. having the knuckle machined down is easy enough to do, but i know nothing about the adapter collars.

if not, a remachined 5x114.3 to 5x100 front hub/knuckle would be the next best thing for me.

That sounds like a job for WC Lathe Werks...

vette dude · 11-03-2009, 09:14 PM

I have been thinking about making a few other parts, and I think I could make these too, it will be January before I have the parts created, but I will keep everyone up to date.

Maybe tom at kart boy can get something done quicker.

jamal · 11-03-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nhat

can anybody shed some light on how the adapter collars are built? when the time comes, i'm looking to do swap to 5x114.3 hubs instead of replacing my 5x100 hubs. having the knuckle machined down is easy enough to do, but i know nothing about the adapter collars.

if not, a remachined 5x114.3 to 5x100 front hub/knuckle would be the next best thing for me.

It's just a spacer that fits behind the tone ring. So you pull the tone ring off the axle, press on the spacer, and press on the tone ring. It's around 5mm thick.

sixtoo · 11-03-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

Not possible. The hub face it not large enough OD to let you do 5x114 pattern into the old 5x100 hub.

What about increasing the overall diameter of the hub face by 40-50 thou? I'd be glad to use my car as a donor to see if it'd work.

Turn in Concepts · 11-03-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sixtoo

What about increasing the overall diameter of the hub face by 40-50 thou? I'd be glad to use my car as a donor to see if it'd work.

A 5x114 hub face is so large that a WRX rotor will not fit over it as the top hat is not big enough. 40-50 thou won't cut it.

I don't remember off the top of my head the diameter difference. I'll measure it when I get into the shop later.

Turn in Concepts · 11-04-2009, 10:39 AM

5x100 OD is a bit over 124mm
5x114 OD is a bit over 138mm

FromageTheDog · 11-04-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

5x100 OD is a bit over 124mm
5x114 OD is a bit over 138mm

Now I understand why the outer edge of the original 6gun kit looked shiny -- they were removing (a lot of) material so the stock WRX rotors would fit!

So tally so far for the required bits and pieces is:

Machined knuckle
Re-drilled and shaved hub
Tone ring adapter collar

What am I missing?

hybrid gti 2 · 11-04-2009, 12:29 PM

ok let me ask this. With the larger hub. Would it fit the stoptech 328mm kit, as the hat I think is larger. So I could just have a machine shop just do the work. I don't know just a thought.

FromageTheDog · 11-04-2009, 12:47 PM

Yes, assuming that the 328mm and 332mm rotor hubs are identical (likely).

I asked Stoptech directly if their rotor would fit over an STI hub and they said yes. In fact, the rotor supplied in the WRX and STI kits is identical, with the rotor hub dual-drilled from the factory (at least on the 332mm kit).

sixtoo · 11-04-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

5x100 OD is a bit over 124mm
5x114 OD is a bit over 138mm

So, ~14mm is about .55118 inches. It's been a while since I had my rotors off the car, but I could have sworn that an additional quarter inch could have been added to each side of the hub of a WRX without conflicting with anything. But this may not be the case.

I have to rotate tires this weekend so I'll take some pics and measurements (just for my own sanity)....it'll be nice to verify if something like this is plausible.

Turn in Concepts · 11-04-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FromageTheDog

Now I understand why the outer edge of the original 6gun kit looked shiny -- they were removing (a lot of) material so the stock WRX rotors would fit!

So tally so far for the required bits and pieces is:

Machined knuckle
Re-drilled and shaved hub
Tone ring adapter collar
Something to make the driveshafts fit (?)

What am I missing? Currently, the most mysterious bit for me is item 4. I heard someone say something about heat shrink (MasterKwan?).

Nothing is needed to make the deriveshafts fit.

FromageTheDog · 11-04-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

Nothing is needed to make the deriveshafts fit.

I was confused by this post by MasterKwan:

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Originally Posted by MasterKwan

It looks like the WRX axle is shorter. I do believe it's the depth of the hub that makes the difference. The 6gun kit has a spacer you heat-shrink into the WRX axle so, when you bolt the axle through the STI hub, the WRX axle doesn't go as far into the hub assembly.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...88&postcount=9

That spacer he's talking about is, I'm now realizing, the tone ring adapter collar, right?

STi-MAN · 11-04-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by west

Well I tried calling but no answer today?
I made an order via the web site but im very concerned as I expected to be.
We will see... if not Iwill cancel via paypal and let my credit card go after them...
Im still hoping for somthing.... who knows...

why would you order from somewhere where everyone says has crap customer service and some crap parts?

iLuveKetchup · 11-04-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by STi-MAN

why would you order from somewhere where everyone says has crap customer service and some crap parts?

I dont argue the customer service, but Ive heard nothing but praise for their 5x100 kit.

neko · 11-04-2009, 09:13 PM

yeah, crap service. sure. Crap parts? heck no. live savers. What other options do us 04 STi owners have besides continuously replacing our bearings with more crappy ones...?

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vette dude Scooby Newbie Member#: 54026 Join Date: Jan 2004	I have been thinking about making a few other parts, and I think I could make these too, it will be January before I have the parts created, but I will keep everyone up to date. Maybe tom at kart boy can get something done quicker. Last edited by vette dude; 11-03-2009 at 09:20 PM.

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11-03-2009, 01:02 AM	#27
tom@kartboy NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67 Join Date: Jul 1999 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle: Our Shift WON'T break!	I'm seeing Clint from TIC in two weeks. If time permits, We'll sit down and take a look at them. Tom

11-03-2009, 03:51 AM	#28
wheatpaste Scooby Newbie Member#: 170747 Join Date: Feb 2008 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: murder city, ca Vehicle: 2004 WRX Wagon 16g PSM	Awesome. Keep us suspension guys posted!

11-03-2009, 02:33 PM	#32
neko Scooby Specialist Member#: 46500 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Idaho Vehicle: 2004 STi Sedan Now with 100% more bugeye	2nd that poor customer service from 6gun. I have one of the very first set of front 05 STi hub sets they made for the 04 w/ the knuckles machined and hub redrilled. I love them, install went easily, and they've been great for years now. (And i got to keep my Tokico D-specs... )But it took me forever to get them. I guess worst case now is if i have to ever replace bearings again in the front, then i have to get someone else to redrill a new set. However, i could just pull my rears and install 5x114 hubs and just use stock ones on the front and run 5x114 wheels on my car. Either way i'm probably fine. +1 For their product. Was a great service.

11-03-2009, 04:11 PM	#33
west Scooby Newbie Member#: 45828 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: california Vehicle: 2004 impreza wrx sti black/gold	Well I tried calling but no answer today? I made an order via the web site but im very concerned as I expected to be. We will see... if not Iwill cancel via paypal and let my credit card go after them... Im still hoping for somthing.... who knows...

11-03-2009, 04:53 PM	#34
rexworx Scooby Specialist Member#: 103232 Join Date: Dec 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: StraitCuts go Wheeeeeeeee!!! Vehicle: GDA Built 2.5hybrid AKA SLEEPYBEAR soblowme	If these come out Ill be a Happy camper!!!

11-03-2009, 07:51 PM	#35
nhat NASIOC Supporter Member#: 140163 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Vehicle: it's pronounced nat ~:\|	can anybody shed some light on how the adapter collars are built? when the time comes, i'm looking to do swap to 5x114.3 hubs instead of replacing my 5x100 hubs. having the knuckle machined down is easy enough to do, but i know nothing about the adapter collars. if not, a remachined 5x114.3 to 5x100 front hub/knuckle would be the next best thing for me.

11-04-2009, 10:39 AM	#41
Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: RTA 2009 Street AWD National Champs!	5x100 OD is a bit over 124mm 5x114 OD is a bit over 138mm

11-04-2009, 12:29 PM	#43
hybrid gti 2 Scooby Guru Member#: 67004 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: BB 177k ej205 / ppg 5mt Vehicle: 02 silver vf30 wag 05 f250 lifted on 35's	ok let me ask this. With the larger hub. Would it fit the stoptech 328mm kit, as the hat I think is larger. So I could just have a machine shop just do the work. I don't know just a thought.

11-04-2009, 12:47 PM	#44
FromageTheDog Scooby Specialist Member#: 81095 Join Date: Feb 2005 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Left seat. Vehicle: 2005 WRX: Platinum Silver VeryVeryDirty	Yes, assuming that the 328mm and 332mm rotor hubs are identical (likely). I asked Stoptech directly if their rotor would fit over an STI hub and they said yes. In fact, the rotor supplied in the WRX and STI kits is identical, with the rotor hub dual-drilled from the factory (at least on the 332mm kit).

11-04-2009, 09:13 PM	#50
neko Scooby Specialist Member#: 46500 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Idaho Vehicle: 2004 STi Sedan Now with 100% more bugeye	yeah, crap service. sure. Crap parts? heck no. live savers. What other options do us 04 STi owners have besides continuously replacing our bearings with more crappy ones...?