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Old 02-04-2010, 06:22 PM   #1
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Default I need a bit of a "rallye" history lesson please...

So how is it that this car,



has a exposed bumper bar, up high lights and snorkel, and yet nothing in rallying today has that sort of thing? This looks more like a x-country safari rig than a rally car. So what is up, what has changed so much in the last decade and a half of rally that something has gone from being this extreme, to being so much more...um...tarmac-y?

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Old 02-04-2010, 06:27 PM   #2
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That very well could be a car set up for the East African Safari rally.

And yes, rallying has changed since I started competing in 1981.
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:29 PM   #3
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was that under the FIA WRC, or was it more localized then?
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:09 PM   #4
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that is a car from the Safari rally that was run in Africa.

safar was unique in that it was run on open roads with traffic during the rally. they had spotting helicopters for each car. safari ran in some crazy tough conditions. it was not uncommon for a large protion of the field to DNF.

the lights up high were to make the car more visible to pedestirans and oncoming trafic in the dust.

it was part of the WRC season. one of the more loved/hated events. many stages would often be delayed due to weather because the choppers couldnt fly and the drivers wouldnt go without them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Rally

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Old 02-04-2010, 07:16 PM   #5
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That's really cool to watch, thanks. For some reason I'm so much more impressed by stuff like this, along with the Dakar stuff, these days. It just seems like I could prep a car and compete, whereas WRC, and even Rally America, is so far out of reach.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:46 PM   #6
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Sorry obsnw, there is no way you could prep a car for the WRC East African Safari or the Dakar rally. Even assuming you are a master fabrictor with unlimited funds for building, the required support for either of those events is so far beyond almost everyone of us as to be unbelievable. Rally America on the other hand, is attainable. So is NRS. In fact, I think there is a NRS event in your part of the world.

To compete in a Rally America event or a NRS event, it takes a car costing about $5000. It helps to have a pickup and friends for service but even those can be provided by other competitors. Entry fee and travel to and from the rally might cost you $2500 per event if you eat PB&J sandwiches and drink PBR beer. So do you really think you could enter either the Safari or Dakar for that little of money? Of course, there is the small problem that for that little of money, you will not beat Travis. Of course, you could also spend $100K for the car and $50K per event for crew and spares and travel and umbrella girls. You still would not beat Travis.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:49 PM   #7
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By the way Greg, spotting helicoptors were not used on many, many of the Safaris. After all, it started in 1952 somewhat before helicoptors had the range or speed to stay ahead of cars.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:13 PM   #8
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By the way Greg, spotting helicoptors were not used on many, many of the Safaris. After all, it started in 1952 somewhat before helicoptors had the range or speed to stay ahead of cars.
yeah, i was just talking about the more recent safari rallies.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:17 PM   #9
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Sorry obsnw, there is no way you could prep a car for the WRC East African Safari or the Dakar rally. Even assuming you are a master fabrictor with unlimited funds for building, the required support for either of those events is so far beyond almost everyone of us as to be unbelievable. Rally America on the other hand, is attainable. So is NRS. In fact, I think there is a NRS event in your part of the world.

To compete in a Rally America event or a NRS event, it takes a car costing about $5000. It helps to have a pickup and friends for service but even those can be provided by other competitors. Entry fee and travel to and from the rally might cost you $2500 per event if you eat PB&J sandwiches and drink PBR beer. So do you really think you could enter either the Safari or Dakar for that little of money? Of course, there is the small problem that for that little of money, you will not beat Travis. Of course, you could also spend $100K for the car and $50K per event for crew and spares and travel and umbrella girls. You still would not beat Travis.
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it was expensive to have yet another dedicated car for just one rally. and the safari car required a significant amount of modification and improvement over a standard rally car.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:39 PM   #10
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:37 AM   #11
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I would love to see the Safari rally back on the calendar, but I'm sure it goes against the FIA's 'cheaper and more accessable' mantra these days. I think the IRC has competed in Africa, but it's not to the same extent.

As noted before, Rally America and NRS are both more attainable than people believe. Sure it's a fortune for Pastrana's car, but even if you had his car you wouldn't be allowed to run it till you had the proper experience.
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The Safari still runs today but as a historic event. I am not sure of the rules.
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That's really cool to watch, thanks. For some reason I'm so much more impressed by stuff like this, along with the Dakar stuff, these days. It just seems like I could prep a car and compete, whereas WRC, and even Rally America, is so far out of reach.
what RichardM said. if you want an idea of what it takes to build a homegrown car for a Baja type event, check out this thread (unfortunately, it seems some of the earlier pictures have been lost):
http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=5162
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:44 AM   #14
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Look at the car to the left in that picture and you'll see it's just as 'tarmacy' as anything today.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:44 PM   #15
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The Safari still runs today but as a historic event. I am not sure of the rules.


event website: http://www.eastafricansafarirally.com/
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Dosen't IRC run rally safari still
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it was a IRC event in 2009 , but its not on the IRC 2010 calendar
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I still love John Buffum's story about driving a service car for Audi on this event.
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That's really cool to watch, thanks. For some reason I'm so much more impressed by stuff like this, along with the Dakar stuff, these days. It just seems like I could prep a car and compete, whereas WRC, and even Rally America, is so far out of reach.
Come and build a car for NASA rallysport!
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Rules are very similar between RA and NRS except RA makes you start in a cheaper car.
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I'll have to ask him about this next weekend after WCR, if I can stay awake that is.
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hey OBSNW this one is for you:

http://www.idahorally.com/

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Rules are very similar between RA and NRS except RA makes you start in a cheaper car.
Cheaper is a bit of a stretch, I think the most expensive (in build $$$) Central Region car is a G2 beast.
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You can always spend more money on a car but you don't have to. You can use a junkyard transmission from a diesel car because the gearing is closer to right or you can use an Xtrac transmission and get perfect gear ratios. Both are legal in G2 and neither are legal in production.

And yes, Lurch's car is extraordinary. But then he is a good driver and can make use of it. It is not expected that a novice driver will be able to do so.
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