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Old 02-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #351
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Arnie.. i want that car... hahah please tell me you have a picture of it on jack stands with the wheels on.. im sure they look like the porsche as well.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:30 PM   #352
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it's a sad in a car enthusiast's life when he looks at a festiva and says "cool!" *

today is that day for me.

nice minilites!


* not counting that mid engine jay leno ridiculous festiva
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:31 PM   #353
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What the hell, since we are taking a bit of a commercial break for our sponsors:

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Lemme guess, that car goes everywhere at WOT with a minimum of 1 wheel in the air?
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:34 PM   #354
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it's a sad in a car enthusiast's life when he looks at a festiva and says "cool!" *

today is that day for me.

nice minilites!


* not counting that mid engine jay leno ridiculous festiva
It has brought peace to this thread.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:35 PM   #355
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Arnie.. i want that car... hahah please tell me you have a picture of it on jack stands with the wheels on.. im sure they look like the porsche as well.
Its a fun little car. Need to do an engine swap one of these days, but you know me, I'm a chassis guy.

Only pic i have of it in the air is without tires but the droop is not too bad, even imagining what tires would do to the fender gap at full droop (13" wheels pictured). But most of TEIN's other offerings are pretty bad as far as droop goes. Flex's aren't all that great in regards to droop. You can pretty much lump all Japanese double adjustable coilovers in the same bin. They all have very little droop.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:38 PM   #356
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Ty - I pull a three wheeler pulling into the driveway at certain angles. Rear suspension does not have a ton of independence to begin with. But 3 wheeling on a FWD car is actually a good thing for rotation. The French manufacturers like Renault and Peugeot have known this for awhile. And yes, WOT is the name of the game in that hamster powered machine. You definitely learn to carry speed... and draft.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:39 PM   #357
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it's a sad in a car enthusiast's life when he looks at a festiva and says "cool!" *

today is that day for me.

nice minilites!


* not counting that mid engine jay leno ridiculous festiva
Thanks! The wheels are 1st gen MX-5. I would love some Panasports but its hard to justify the cost on this city beater.

yeah, love Jay's Shogun.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:40 PM   #358
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It has brought peace to this thread.
Yeah, the little guy is worth a chuckle.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:47 PM   #359
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me want that festiva...my neighbor has a disassembled EDM turbo escort block...mmm

what will its motorsport of choice be arnie?
I used to autox this car. My friend rallied his. SCCA Pro Rally. But I take it out on the occasional autox to lay the smack down on newbie WRX's and STi's. I usually beat people on the first run or so. Its fun.

but its mainly just a commuter now. 38 mpg. And fun on every corner.

I've wanted to drop the Capri XR2/GTX motor in there (Turbo 1.6) but I wont' be able to realize that dream for now.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:56 PM   #360
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ah miata wheels....knew i recognized them. when i have more space i'd like to do a sweet project car like this.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:07 PM   #361
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Yeah, its been a weird project. My brother bought it new out of college and it has been in the family ever since. So I grabbed it from my sister a few years ago and have been upgrading little bits here and there. The coilovers were the biggest expense. It was really hard to justify spending more on the dampers than what the car is worth. But I bit the bullet since I'm such a suspension nerd. TEIN had rebound adjustable HA's but didn't get in on a set before they went of production. But these are okay and pretty comfortable. Now that I just finished it, its going back to my sister since I can't bring it with me to Germany. But I have my eye on another small car I've always wanted when I used to live there. Peugeot 106 GTi. My dream small car.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:18 PM   #362
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106 GTi would be amazing. i remember reading a bit on them in a semi-recent euro car mag...they look like a lot of fun
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:26 PM   #363
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Yeah, found an awesome one for 2000 euros. Will be the first thing I save up for when I get there. EVO magazine loves the 106 Rallye. I'll be getting the GTi. They are a bit easier to find and have more creature comforts and horsepower. Though I wouldn't say no to the stripped out Rallye if I found one.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:08 PM   #364
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I'm reading this at work. And people are wondering why I'm giggling. Awesome.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:38 PM   #365
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First of all, your question makes no sense as written. "The coilovers" includes the spring. However, I'm going to assume you're mis-speaking and you mean the dampers or struts, rather than the coilovers. Yes, the damper sets the total droop travel from ride height. It's also one of two things that can set the total bump travel from ride height. The droop of a coilover is always the compression of the main spring at ride height plus the total travel of the helper spring. That's why it's impossible to create a coilover with adequate droop travel and a high spring rate without using a helper spring. The damper also can set total bump travel if the damper piston bottoms out before the main spring is compressed to its solid height.
So what is adequate droop travel in your mind? 2 inches? 6 inches? other? Spring rate must impact droop in some way. Set a proper ride height on 100 pound springs, then lower the car. It sinks. Unweight it and it droops--without helper springs. The spring uncompresses and still sits in its perch. Now try this on 600lb springs. The springs don't compress at all under the weight of the car. They are almost fully extended and I agree that helper springs would be the only way to cause droop. Now the softer springs will have more droop, but also less travel. The opposite is true on a stiff spring set up.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:43 PM   #366
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I'm going to go with "other". It's a more complicated question than that. However, I will confidently say that, other than in a few corner cases in professional racing, 2" is not enough. 3" is probably not enough. 6" plus is probably too expensive to be justified for most applications.
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:05 PM   #367
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why does jimmy paige rock so hard?

Air probably isnt the end all, but I think theres something to be had if the suspension industry pried into the inner workings of many air supported suspensions already in use. The amazing thing is the progressiveness. You can literally have atmosphereic pressure in the shock and have a hard time bottoming it out.

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Old 02-18-2010, 10:37 PM   #368
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What the hell, since we are taking a bit of a commercial break for our sponsors:

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Apologies for the completely off topic random image posting guys!
I'm sorry but that thing is sick, 40MPG FTW!!!!
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:03 AM   #369
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why does jimmy paige rock so hard?

Air probably isnt the end all, but I think theres something to be had if the suspension industry pried into the inner workings of many air supported suspensions already in use. The amazing thing is the progressiveness. You can literally have atmosphereic pressure in the shock and have a hard time bottoming it out.
don't you recall the praxis system for our cars?
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yeah, but that used air bags. air bags suck for performance.
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:10 AM   #371
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How useful is droop travel that is not acted on by the force of the main spring?
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:17 AM   #372
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^ really well said Andrew. I think the major problem on this forum is that some think that a certain way of tuning is absolute. And it really isn't it, just opinions and personal theories.
How about you read the thread!
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:51 AM   #373
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yeah, but that used air bags. air bags suck for performance.
reread your original post, I understand what you want.
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How useful is droop travel that is not acted on by the force of the main spring?
We've found that JUST enough to give the tire a little bit of traction to keep the diffs from flipping out to be enough.

Now, one thing I really like to have/like to see is a little bit more droop travel than bump travel (which will now start an entirely new path to this thread...)
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We've found that JUST enough to give the tire a little bit of traction to keep the diffs from flipping out to be enough.
That's a good reasonable target to shoot for. I know an STi I used to drive ran into issues coming out of the corner with the diff banging pretty hard. Sticky tires and not much travel were the culprit.
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