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Old 03-06-2010, 03:37 PM   #1
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Default Hybrid Impreza in the works for 2012?

That's what Left Lane News is reporting.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-2...de-hybrid.html

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03/05/2010, 7:35 PMBY MARK KLEIS

Earlier reports have suggested that new CAFE standards would force Subaru to fast track its plans for diesel and hybrid options and possibly drop standard all-wheel drive as well for the U.S. market. Now, inside sources are claiming that the first hybrid may in fact end up being an Impreza – not the Subaru Legacy hybrid that has been expected since it was announced in 2005.

Subaru nears completion of its hybrid system
According to inside sources speaking with Road & Track, the hybrid Legacy that has been promised since 2005 does not properly host a hybrid powertrain due to unnamed issues with its chassis. Because of this, Subaru’s engineers have instead turned to the Impreza model to house their hybrid powertrain and become the automaker’s first production hybrid.

Subaru unveiled a concept vehicle at the 2009 LA Auto Show, known as the Hybrid Tourer that was powered by a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer engine in addition to a two-mode hybrid system and a CVT transmission. The 2.0-liter boxer engine is currently offered in the Japanese market for their Impreza, where the American market enjoys a larger 2.4-liter unit. Although Road & Track suggested Subaru may fit their hybrid system onto the 2.4-liter boxer engine currently used for the U.S. market, we find ourselves leaning towards use of the same 2.0-liter found in both Japan and the Hybrid Tourer concept vehicle.

The 2.0-liter unit would offer less power, but depending on the configuration, the hybrid system could help to boost power while also taking advantage of the less thirsty 2.0-liter boxer compared to its larger sibling. Since Subaru has already developed that exact system for its concept car, it would also make for an easier conversion to their production model.

How Subaru arrived where it is today in regards to hybrid technology
Just over two years ago Subaru shared with the world that it was in the midst of moving forward with diesel and hybrid powertrains for the future, but that diesels would likely be the automaker’s top priority. Subaru attributed this hierarchy on the “voices” of its consumers demanding diesels more loudly than they were demanding hybrids.

“There are many opinions. But currently, the voices calling for diesels are stronger than the voices for hybrids,” Ikuo Mori, president of Subaru parent company Fuji Heavy Industries, told Automotive News Europe.

Around the same time Toyota doubled its stake in Subaru’s parent company, Fuji Industries, and Toyota and Subaru were well on their way with sharing hybrid technology. “We agreed with Toyota to utilize the Toyota system in developing our own hybrid technology,” Mori said. “Fundamentally speaking, we can’t just plunk Toyota’s system into our own vehicles. We need to develop something that is adjusted to our products.”

Unlike other mainstream automakers, Subaru found itself in a unique situation in regards to more stringent fuel economy standards due to the fact that it strictly sells vehicles equipped with all-wheel drive. Although AWD has its many benefits, the drawback is reduced fuel economy – regardless of how efficient the engine may be. With ever-pressing fuel economy standards, Subaru was forced to consider removing boxer engines and AWD off of the “standard” features list, and instead onto the “options” list.
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:41 PM   #2
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http://autogreenmag.com/2010/03/05/r...oming-in-2012/

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Rumormill: Subaru Impreza Hybrid coming in 2012?

This much we know: Subaru is ready to get into the hybrid marketplace. This much is a given following numerous rumors and reports that the Japanese automaker, which is currently tied at the hip to Toyota, wants to have its first hybridized vehicle on the market by 2012. Further, Subaru showed off its Hybrid Tourer concept at the Tokyo Motor Show late last year.

Here’s what we don’t know: What vehicle will Subaru use to introduce the world to its hybrid drivetrain? Initial speculation put the fuel-sipping technology into the larger Legacy platform, if for no other reason than the fact that the Legacy is Subaru’s flagship sedan in the States. What’s more, the aforementioned Hybrid Tourer concept wasn’t exactly a little car.

Now, though, Road & Track is reporting that the next-gen Impreza, due quite fortuitously in 2012, will be Subie’s first hybrid. We’d be shocked if Subaru’s hybrid tech wasn’t borrowed from Toyota, which is undoubtedly the world leader in hybrids, and it seems equally as likely that Subaru’s favored flat-four Boxer motor would be featured. Besides that, we’re in the dark.
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:50 PM   #3
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:12 PM   #4
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:56 AM   #5
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the end of standard AWD and the Boxer nice.., hope and change
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:42 AM   #6
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No boxer engine and AWD = no interest in purchasing a Subaru.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:58 AM   #7
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...have stated that the Subaru hybrid would be AWD. What's mentioned here is that "earlier" reports indicated they may have to drop AWD.

I think (pray!) AWD will be part of the plan.

The only thing new here is that it may be an Impreza.

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Old 03-07-2010, 10:18 AM   #8
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spec C RA-R hybrid anyone?
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:34 AM   #9
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...have stated that the Subaru hybrid would be AWD. What's mentioned here is that "earlier" reports indicated they may have to drop AWD.

I think (pray!) AWD will be part of the plan.

The only thing new here is that it may be an Impreza.

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the hybrid idea in a small car came from someone in the subaru hierarchy.. it was in an article/interview in which the person said the hybrid would be put in a small car first. i think the idea to go with the 2.0 DI is a smart move. I wonder if SOA would drop the ej25 and just go with this new DI 2.0 motor in every thing. that would be an excellent way to use an economies of scale by having that same motor EVERYWHERE in the world; i'm sure the 2.0 will be smaller, lower maintenance, better gas mileage and just as powerful as the ej25
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:45 AM   #10
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i told you all Subaru has to go hybrid.


diesel is dead in the US


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Old 03-07-2010, 04:26 PM   #11
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It really is a shame that Americans are too dense to even consider diesel as an option.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:41 PM   #12
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diesel cars are easier to mod vs gas engines. just dump the fuel in and go(almost)!! and most are built better since they are almost knocking(compression ignition) by design!


think cummins.... bullydog..... common rail.... direct injection.....power commander even!!

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Old 03-07-2010, 05:06 PM   #13
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...have stated that the Subaru hybrid would be AWD. What's mentioned here is that "earlier" reports indicated they may have to drop AWD.

I think (pray!) AWD will be part of the plan.

The only thing new here is that it may be an Impreza.

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Don't worry, it will be AWD. Top brass at Subaru corporate in a recent article posted somewhere on this forum stated the hybrid would be pure Subaru (Toyota hybrid system is out) and must work with the AWD system. He also stated it would be placed in an existing model line and not an all-new vehicle built for the platform. I think he pretty much hinted at it being the Impreza in the article if I recall correctly...

I just wish they could make a hybrid diesel instead and basically combine the best elements of both worlds.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:20 PM   #14
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It really is a shame that Americans are too dense to even consider diesel as an option.
It isn't the people.

It is the regulations.

The Audi/VW diesels sell somewhat well, from what I hear. but what other options are there?

It is hard to declare something a failure when it isn't an option and barely a choice given.

It isn't a failure of a free market system, when the market isn't allowed to be free.

Plus, the people have been burned by bad diesels before. Like GM converting gas engines to diesel, and then selling them to the public in the 1980s. Didn't work so well. Some folks remember that.

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<yawn> Diesel please.
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the end of standard AWD and the Boxer nice.., hope and change
Keep that in Political Playground.

Would you rather that Subie drivetrains didn't evolve (albeit slowly as-is) and have to exit the U.S. market because of CAFE?
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Looking more and more like my next new car will be a VW Golf TDi. Instead of an OBS.

guess I'll know for sure come September when infro for the 2011s come out. I can wait that long.
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Holy **** imagine that. A company CEO actually listening to their customers!
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Personally, I'd love a diesel hybrid. Course, I'd probably be the jackass that ran ag diesel in it (no road tax)

Just don't get caught!
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Subaru has a 2.4L? Really? This is news to me.
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Keep that in Political Playground.

Would you rather that Subie drivetrains didn't evolve (albeit slowly as-is) and have to exit the U.S. market because of CAFE?
39 mpg by 2016 for cars ( I will not say who mandated it ) was the death of AWD and the boxer. IT was clearly stated in the article and Subaru made their statement at Geneva because of it.

No, I do not think this will make Subaru better forward. Standard AWD and the Boxer is what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

Also, the threads I start are littered with imature political fighting and I keep my mouth shut about it and let the Moderators deal with it. I do not see you jumping in and telling those people to put it in political playground.

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39 mpg by 2016 for cars ( I will not say who mandated it ) was the death of AWD and the boxer. IT was clearly stated in the article and Subaru made their statement at Geneva because of it.
A pic of the new gen boxer engine was just released.




Lets see what Subaru can do with some modern technology and innovation before we declare the death of anything. Remember, this is the company that built family sedans that set world speed/endurance records and a production car with a drag coefficient of 0.29 in 1985.
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