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Old 03-15-2010, 01:18 PM   #1
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/15/w...es-from-japan/

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Remember when Lexus was synonymous with cushy, spongy rides that were anything but performance oriented? That all seems a distant memory since Toyota's luxury division set its sights on the likes of BMW with the IS-F, even more so with the release of the exclusive LFA supercar. But according to the latest, Lexus ain't done yet.

Back in October when we were in Miami test driving the LFA, we brought you a report on the possibility of a stripped-down, competition-focused version. Now it appears that this track edition is upon us.

Apparently called the Nürburgring edition – in reference to the legendary German road course where the competition prototypes that led to the production LFA cut their proverbial teeth – this extra-special LFA will benefit from a large, fixed rear wing, a splitter up front, a stiffer (and more adjustable) suspension, lightweight alloys coated in track rubber and an extra 10 horsepower (likely resulting from a revised exhaust system).

Aside from the four paint options – which reportedly include glossy black, matte black, orange, and an unknown fourth color – that's about all we've got for now, but if your Japanese is up to snuff and you can extrapolate more from the source report, let us know in the Comments below.

[Source: レクサスとの道 [LEXUS] (translated) via The Lexus Enthusiast]




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Old 03-15-2010, 01:36 PM   #2
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yes...do want...still
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:37 PM   #3
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They've got quite a task in front of them. What with the GTR and 100s of Euro's gunning that track down.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:46 PM   #4
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spec wise i love it.. the front end looks like a cheap body kit i've seen before on a supra.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:48 PM   #5
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I was under the assumption that the standard LF-A was already a couple seconds faster than the GT-R at the Nurburgring.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:29 PM   #6
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This thing needs to get more powerful and have something unique about it. It makes less power than the other V10 sports cars (Viper, Gallardo, R8 V10, CGT).
One hell of a flagship car. . .

Great idea, poor execution.

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Old 03-15-2010, 06:56 PM   #7
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Anthropomorphic car makes 'waaaAA, WAAAAAAA' sounds while accelerating through the gears.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:58 PM   #8
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For some reason, it's weird to see a front-engined street-legal supercar in orange from the factory... it just looks odd.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:59 PM   #9
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:02 PM   #10
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and how much more is this gonna cost than the regular LFA?
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This thing needs to get more powerful and have something unique about it. It makes less power than the other V10 sports cars (Viper, Gallardo, R8 V10, CGT).
One hell of a flagship car. . .

Great idea, poor execution.

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Unique? You mean like a monocoque? Only the CGT can be put in that category, and at a much higher price.

It is by far the cheapest monocoque ever produced.
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and how much more is this gonna cost than the regular LFA?
I don't even want to know. It's going to be a number that will make me bash it even more.

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Unique? You mean like a monocoque? Only the CGT can be put in that category, and at a much higher price.

It is by far the cheapest monocoque ever produced.
Hopefully I'm not ignorant, but while I don't brush aside milestones like that, I think it boils down to more important stuff, like actual performance, especially at that price point. The previous Mustang Shelby GT500 was the cheapest 500 hp car ever produced, but that didn't mean too much from a performance standpoint when compared to other 500 hp cars or even other sports cars in its price range.

I'm not saying that the LF-A is a waste of money, but I would hope that no one is buying the LF-A specifically because it has a monocoque. But that's just me.
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Hopefully I'm not ignorant, but while I don't brush aside milestones like that, I think it boils down to more important stuff, like actual performance, especially at that price point. The previous Mustang Shelby GT500 was the cheapest 500 hp car ever produced, but that didn't mean too much from a performance standpoint when compared to other 500 hp cars or even other sports cars in its price range.

I'm not saying that the LF-A is a waste of money, but I would hope that no one is buying the LF-A specifically because it has a monocoque. But that's just me.
That's fine, but no car like this is bought for the performance/$$$ ratio. No one called the CGT a waste (at it's much higher price), and it was outperformed by cars costing much less. Same thing can be said for the SLR, and the Enzo soon after its release.

These cars are bought for those who appreciate their engineering feats. Anyone buying something like this strictly for performance is out of their minds. Again, the same can be said for a number of these type cars, which I completely understand.

But if you are going to shout about this car being overpriced, there's a long list of others costing much more than this does, offering similar technology.
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That's fine, but no car like this is bought for the performance/$$$ ratio. No one called the CGT a waste (at it's much higher price), and it was outperformed by cars costing much less. Same thing can be said for the SLR, and the Enzo soon after its release.
But at the same time, nobody bought those cars specifically because they had a monocoque. It was definitely a notable characteristic, but nothing that made their buyers pony up the cash. They each had something special about them independent of the monocoque... the Carrera GT was Porsche's first hypercar, the SLR was co-developed with McLaren as an easy-to-drive, comfortable, slushbox 200 mph missile, and the Enzo was the usual limited-production Ferrari hypercar that is coveted by Ferrari fanatics.

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These cars are bought for those who appreciate their engineering feats. Anyone buying something like this strictly for performance is out of their minds. Again, the same can be said for a number of these type cars, which I completely understand.

But if you are going to shout about this car being overpriced, there's a long list of others costing much more than this does, offering similar technology.
Agreed
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They each had something special about them independent of the monocoque... the Carrera GT was Porsche's first hypercar
No, that would be the GT1, which murders the CGT by the way. And is this not Toyota's first hypercar? How are you not applying the same logic. I think maybe you didn't think that point through.

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Bthe SLR was co-developed with McLaren as an easy-to-drive, comfortable, slushbox 200 mph missile,
And this is an easy to drive, relatively comfortable, missile with a slushbox...which is much better handling, and a much lower cost to boot.

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and the Enzo was the usual limited-production Ferrari hypercar that is coveted by Ferrari fanatics.
Is this not a limited production run car? Are there not Toyota fanatics? Fine, not the the same extent, but they exist. And you don't get fanatics UNLESS you build cars like this!

How do these arguments not apply to the Lexus again???

To the contrary, I think many people buy these cars as their are at the pinnacle of automotive engineering. This car most certainly is, in addition to being the first from Toyota (same logic you incorrectly applied to the CGT)

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^ You're right, I forgot about the GT1.

I haven't driven either and probably never will, but part of me thinks that the SLR is probably more comfortable and easier to drive than the LF-A.

The difference between the Enzo and the LF-A is that the Enzo was the next in line as their limited production hypercar released during each decade, offering performance on-par, if not class-leading, during its release. You could apply this to the Carrera GT (which I should've mentioned instead of incorrectly saying that it was their first hypercar, which is still arguable since the GT1 was produced in such limited numbers just to meet the GT1 race category regulations) but not necessarily the LF-A. Granted 0-60 mph acceleration times aren't the end-all of measuring a car's worth, but it IS probably the EASIEST performance measurement to meet (if not exceed), yet it still trails behind by a few ticks. I'd think it should at least be AS quick as anything else within reason at that price range.
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On one hand, I agree that the car should have had another 100 HP.

On the other hand, it seems on many fronts the arms race is over, so perhaps further pushing away from the HP wars should be considered a good thing.
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^ I think the doubters of the LF-A, including anyone on the fence about it, would more or less be silenced if it had another 100 hp. (Instead, they'd focus on the front bumper and side scoops, haha.)
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But at the same time, nobody bought those cars specifically because they had a monocoque. It was definitely a notable characteristic, but nothing that made their buyers pony up the cash. They each had something special about them independent of the monocoque... the Carrera GT was Porsche's first hypercar, the SLR was co-developed with McLaren as an easy-to-drive, comfortable, slushbox 200 mph missile, and the Enzo was the usual limited-production Ferrari hypercar that is coveted by Ferrari fanatics.


Agreed

The sound makes it worth every penny, IMO.
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I'd like to see it in flat black!
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YouTube- Lexus LFA: a symphony of sound

The sound makes it worth every penny, IMO.
Now where did I put my tissues....
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YouTube- Lexus LFA: a symphony of sound

The sound makes it worth every penny, IMO.
I know the needle and speedometer are digital, but why does the needle shake like that?
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WTF is up with that needle?!
That car ALREADY looks old.
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I know the needle and speedometer are digital, but why does the needle shake like that?
Im going to say just for looks? I have a feeling if it was really like that the sound would have not sounded as smooth..

but then again in most games high powered cars do the same
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I know the needle and speedometer are digital, but why does the needle shake like that?
It probably doesn't have any algorithm built in to smooth it out. Our digital readouts on our engine dyno cells jump and shake like that as well*. It is snapping a picture of the engine speed and displaying that "picture" on the tach.

* We use digital displays so we have flexibility for what is displayed given the test we are doing.
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