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Old 07-07-2010, 01:55 PM   #126
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Who cares about dirt and snow.
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And you call yourself a subaru owner, so sad.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:49 PM   #127
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You don't think F1 cars would be awd if they could be?
Remember the GTO series here in America? Audi entered their Audi 90 IMSA GTO into the series and was very successful. But it is important to also note the fact that the Audi mainly excelled on tight curvy tracks and tracks where traction was low due to bad asphalt, rain, or high heat. The Audi team would win impressive 1-2 finishes by large margins under those conditions, but on several occasions the Audis would get brutally raped by the RWD American competitors.

What does this have to do with anything? It helps illustrate what happens when AWD is introduced into various on road racing series. Audi also was the first to introduce this technology into the rally racing championships. They consistently lost out to RWD cars like the Lancia Stratos or Porsches on the tarmac stages, but excelled under low traction. If traction is good RWD is superior due to lighter weight, less drivetrain drag, and the fact that it has a tendency to oversteer. AWD is great for assisting a driver maintain control and drive on low traction surfaces, but an AWD system is always plagued by the natural tendency to understeer which is something you don't want in a Formula 1 car that can pull 6 G-forces in a tight turn.

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Old 07-07-2010, 02:57 PM   #128
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You also have to remember the technological changes that are around now as compared to what they had then...we have nice electronic and 'smarter' mechanical components now

So the Audi 90 comparison is slightly outdated...now back to the engine discussion. I say for the goal, the two are very close in requirements for getting there and sustaining it. Be it I have played in depth with both platforms. The 4G63 isn't some mysteriously bullet proof engine. Like all engines being pushed, it comes down to having the right techniques/formula to making them live. That and being extremely anal upon machining and assembly

Now choose which car you'd rather have.

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Old 07-07-2010, 03:00 PM   #129
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You're not the brightest are ya?
I bet I Rally X more in a season than you do in the life of your car
I know all about dirt and snow.
Maybe you can come out and help me crew on the Subaru Canada Open Class STI at Targa Newfoundland this year

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Old 07-07-2010, 03:16 PM   #130
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Remember the GTO series here in America? Audi entered their Audi 90 IMSA GTO into the series and was very successful. But it is important to also note the fact that the Audi mainly excelled on tight curvy tracks and tracks where traction was low due to bad asphalt, rain, or high heat. The Audi team would win impressive 1-2 finishes by large margins under those conditions, but on several occasions the Audis would get brutally raped by the RWD American competitors.

What does this have to do with anything? It helps illustrate what happens when AWD is introduced into various on road racing series. Audi also was the first to introduce this technology into the rally racing championships. They consistently lost out to RWD cars like the Lancia Stratos or Porsches on the tarmac stages, but excelled under low traction. If traction is good RWD is superior due to lighter weight, less drivetrain drag, and the fact that it has a tendency to oversteer. AWD is great for assisting a driver maintain control and drive on low traction surfaces, but an AWD system is always plagued by the natural tendency to understeer which is something you don't want in a Formula 1 car that can pull 9 G-forces in a tight turn.
F1 cars average about 3.5g in heavy cornering and MAX out at around 5gs during heavy breaking... where the **** did you get 9gs from.
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:19 PM   #131
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And you call yourself a subaru owner, so sad.
Get your head outta' the sand
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:23 PM   #132
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F1 cars average about 3.5g in heavy cornering and MAX out at around 5gs during heavy breaking... where the **** did you get 9gs from.
It's not an F16
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:28 PM   #133
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F1 cars average about 3.5g in heavy cornering and MAX out at around 5gs during heavy breaking... where the **** did you get 9gs from.
Could have sworn I heard that number during one of the commentaries on a race. They said they can pull more Gs in a turn than a fighter jet and used that as justification for saying it is "a young mans sport".
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:32 PM   #134
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Could have sworn I heard that number during one of the commentaries on a race. They said they can pull more Gs in a turn than a fighter jet and used that as justification for saying it is "a young mans sport".
Drivers would be passing out at 9G's
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:32 PM   #135
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Could have sworn I heard that number during one of the commentaries on a race. They said they can pull more Gs in a turn than a fighter jet and used that as justification for saying it is "a young mans sport".
Maybe a fighter jet of the 1950's.
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:35 PM   #136
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did you just epic fail and yell and yourself?

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Who cares about dirt and snow.
That's what rally beaters are for.
You're not the brightest are ya?
I bet I Rally X more in a season than you do in the life of your car
I know all about dirt and snow.
Maybe you can come out and help me crew on the Subaru Canada Open Class STI at Targa Newfoundland this year
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:37 PM   #137
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Maybe a fighter jet of the 1950's.
Still not bad considering a F-15 pulls up to 9 Gs in a turn.
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:39 PM   #138
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did you just epic fail and yell and yourself?
No Ron, I made a small error with my quotes
Are you happy today? You seemed a little cranky yesterday
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:42 PM   #139
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IF you are looking for easy HP, get an EVO. I was trying to decide between an EVO or a STI when I bought my 2nd Subaru. What made me choose the STI over the EVO is that the 06 STI looks 10x better than any evo. I love the boxer rumble. the subaru community around me is very friendly. The evo owners around me are mostly immature pompous ass hats. And most importantly, trying to find an evo that hasn't the living **** beat out of it is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Get back on OH where you belong :P

6 pages of the same crap back and forth... are we ever going to learn of your decision?
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:36 PM   #140
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Are you happy today? You seemed a little cranky yesterday
He was mad yesterday because he took a shower and looked down.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:38 PM   #141
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Still not bad considering a F-15 pulls up to 9 Gs in a turn.
I'm absolutely positive an F-15 can sustain more than 9 Gee in a turn, but the little guy in the cockpit can't.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:41 PM   #142
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:30 PM   #143
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He was mad yesterday because he took a shower and looked down.
at least i can see my junk when i look down

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another one, idiot!
juan, theres no point in arguing with cumonmen15....he knows all and is superior in everyway to the rest of us.

your car is 3600 lbs, e85 sucks, only his scales are accurate, and only subwoofers made by him are good.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:47 PM   #144
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at least i can see my junk when i look down



juan, theres no point in arguing with cumonmen15....he knows all and is superior in everyway to the rest of us.

your car is 3600 lbs, e85 sucks, only his scales are accurate, and only subwoofers made by him are good.
Oh look, Ron is still butthurt because he got owned last night, because YET AGAIN, he was talking out of his ass.

Thankfully, most of his posts were quoted for posterity, so start reading around #3010.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...433874&page=61



Edit: Oh wow, talk about butthurt, Ron edited all his posts. Too bad they were quoted.

One day Ron, youll figure it out, but until then, the rest of us will point and laugh at you and Juan in the retard corner.

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Old 07-07-2010, 06:50 PM   #145
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i dont see where i got "owned" anywhere.

i said my subs sound good....big freaking deal.

i just got tired of your childish behavior. its time to utilize the nice ignore feature.
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i dont see where i got "owned" anywhere.

i said my subs sound good....big freaking deal.

i just got tired of your childish behavior. its time to utilize the nice ignore feature.
Yeah, and then you got butthurt when you were proven wrong, AGAIN. So butthurt that you had to go out of your way to edit those posts and insult me.



Good show Ron, way to really showcase that fantastic reading comprehension and mental deficiency you suffer from.

Remember kids, if you cant win the argument with facts, insult, call names, divert and threaten to ignore.
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and this thread is off topic yet again...
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:59 PM   #148
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and this thread is off topic yet again...
Ok, point made, Im done with Phatron and his idiocy.

Lets talk more about these.

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Old 07-07-2010, 07:48 PM   #149
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What's so special about the mustang?
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that they finally made a fast one?
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