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Old 12-03-2010, 01:26 PM   #1851
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for my e-85 conversion. new pump on the market.

http://www.jayracing.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=2619
that looks nice.....but deatschwerks new pump is probably gonna be the next hot item for e85 follks....

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Juan,

Can we include E100 cars in here. I have a car right now in Brazil that I am doing. If his stock clutch survives I'd like to throw up info on the car as well as fueling info since not many on her have dealt with this type of fuel.

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people in the midwest can get E98........if i ever get the ballz to store ten 55 gallon drums in my garage thats what im gonna have delivered

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If the turbo flow's like a typical td06-8cm 20g and the injectors flow a true 900, 22 psi should not be a problem. On injectors that flow a true 900, i was able to run 19.5 psi on a 60lb/min turbo on E85 (99% IDC)

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he said it was a 49 lb/min turbo....so its a Green or SZ49.....bigger than a 20g.

IMO its not worth people asking these questions.....can i run this and run that.

vf to 20g - u need 850's.....and 850's not much less than 1200cc.....so i just tell everyone to get 1200's.....

and if you're gonna run a rotated gt30 or bigger....just get 1600cc-2000cc


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would 960's and a walbro provide enough e85 to run 22psi on a 49lb turbo?

phatron, help, not these trolls wanting to know how many whorespowers
lol.....im not an e85 guru by any means. like i said above.....just sell the smaller injectors and get bigger ones.

our account with these guys is in the works right now

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Old 12-03-2010, 01:36 PM   #1852
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^ it seems that you like them

When r you tuning the 3076R GTX? is that one going to be run on E85? I am very interested on the results
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:44 PM   #1853
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Ron,

The only chitty thing about e98/e100 is having enough injector. Currently with the Brazil car, we hit 23 psi with the base actuator and taper to 18.5. In 70 degree weather we are at 95% idc, and in 50 degree weather we are at 98.

This is on a baby 68hta using D-werk 1000's. I set the scalar to 650cc and never touched it after that. This is also with 11.7-11.9 AFR in 4th gear.

With a standard 35R and good heads, John visconti is @ 65% IDC on 2000's on pump. I believe he has a double pumper as well. If he switch to E100, He would be out of injector at this boost level (105%)

Just giving you an example. With your stock heads and stock location 35, do not be surprised if you max your 2000's out at a decent boost level.

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Old 12-03-2010, 02:11 PM   #1854
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I talked to a guy at a meet that was so happy that he was running 24psi on his stock turbo, probably blowing hot air like crazy and it was on pump gas.
Yeah, gotta love those guys.

Ron, do you know specifcally where these guys are getting E98?

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Old 12-03-2010, 02:23 PM   #1855
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Ron, do you know specifcally where these guys are getting E98?
from themselves.....they grow it and refine it, or ferment it....whatever they hell they do to it.

i talked to the guy on the phone and he said they are required by law to put 2% harmful chemicals in it so they have to put the Skull n Crossbones on it so people cant drink it lol

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Old 12-03-2010, 02:25 PM   #1856
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When r you tuning the 3076R GTX? is that one going to be run on E85? I am very interested on the results
probably 6weeks.....

its got dual HFS-5 nozzles.....so 91, 91+meth and c16+meth i believe.
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:27 PM   #1857
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the gt3076r = 54# wheel

the gtx3076r = 65# wheel in the same housing.

http://www.atpturbo.com/root/release...ase111110.html
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Old 12-03-2010, 06:32 PM   #1858
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south america is actually one of the world's leading producers of ethanol, but their ethanol is mostly sugar based instead of corn based. the U.S. is too stubborn to jump on that band wagon yet...

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Old 12-03-2010, 06:51 PM   #1859
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so i can pour sugar in my gas tank......
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Old 12-03-2010, 06:55 PM   #1860
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you could...i don't think it would work out so well though...using that theory, i guess i could shove corn in mine
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Old 12-03-2010, 08:10 PM   #1861
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south america is actually one of the world's leading producers of ethanol, but their ethanol is mostly sugar based instead of corn based. the U.S. is too stubborn to jump on that band wagon yet...
there is a lot more to it than that, where can you grow sugarcane in the US in large quantities on existing farmland? brazil produces nearly half of all the sugarcane in the world.
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Old 12-03-2010, 08:32 PM   #1862
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ruh...roh...

"Compression- 11.3:1"

whoa!

for my e-85 conversion. new pump on the market.

http://www.jayracing.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=2619
Jay Racing is actually who put the shortblock together for me
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Old 12-03-2010, 08:52 PM   #1863
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there is a lot more to it than that, where can you grow sugarcane in the US in large quantities on existing farmland? brazil produces nearly half of all the sugarcane in the world.
that is actually what i was saying...that the US is too stubborn to import the sugar from south america right now to mass produce sugar based ethanol...
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:05 PM   #1864
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Have a question! Does E85 create starting issue's? First cold start it takes 3 to 4 try's. Once warmed up it will start first try! Is this normal? Live in California and don't get to cold, and car is always garaged. Is there anything i should do to help fix this problem?
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:17 PM   #1865
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Yes. U have to add fuel to the cranking tables
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:19 PM   #1866
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south america is actually one of the world's leading producers of ethanol, but their ethanol is mostly sugar based instead of corn based. the U.S. is too stubborn to jump on that band wagon yet...
Yea, but the USA is actually getting better on this.

iirc brasil was rated 3x more efficient in producing ethanol based on like land usage to amount of production (im going to look for this article and documation about this)

but we are changing, We will always be using corn (and i think we should use what we have) but we should also use a variety of ways of getting it. Switch grass, used corn husks, etc etc.

USA produces the most ethanol in the world 10.75billion gallons a year. as of 2009 and about 14billion as of 2010.

Here found some interesting facts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol..._United_States

USA gallon to acre average is only 300-400, while brazil is is 700-800.
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Old 12-03-2010, 11:31 PM   #1867
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Have a question! Does E85 create starting issue's? First cold start it takes 3 to 4 try's. Once warmed up it will start first try! Is this normal? Live in California and don't get to cold, and car is always garaged. Is there anything i should do to help fix this problem?
just keep trying with it...its kind of a trial and error deal when it comes to cold weather starting. it took me a while to get mine down, but now even with temps down to 20* the car will start almost instantly. haven't gotten any colder than that yet so i don't know how it would do below that, but my starts actually got faster the further below 40* it has gotten so...i am sure it would start great...
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you use more energy to convert corn into a biofuel than you do sugarcane. that's why there are skeptics out there that once the tax benefits dry up so will the ethanol. in the US the major point of using biofuel is a a) a renewable resource b) stop importing foreign oil. b) will be a long battle, a) is only working because the US government is subsidizing the cost through tax cuts.

i'm going to leave this thread to avoid political discussion, but if you want to know more research how corn based ethanol is made compared to sugar cane based ethanol
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^ this post confuses me as there aren't any tax incentives attached to converting to e85. also, the point isn't really to stop importing so much oil, but more to reduce the country's need for so much oil to be imported. if we import roughly 50% of our crude oil right now, between more fuel efficient vehicles, alternative fuel solutions, and reduced consumption efforts, the THEORY is that we could maybe cut down on the amout of oil needed to be imported, which in turn cuts down on our need to rely on other countries. this creates more room for profit due to the fact that we would be exporting closer to what we are importing, which means the oil imports would be closer to paying for themselves. you sound like you know a little bit about politics and e85 stuff, but you can't come into a thread titled E85 Army and assume that everyone in here hasn't done more or as much research as you. i am sure that there are quite a few people in here that could explain just as well as you the difference between corn based ethanol and sugar based ethanol. if you really wanted to avoid political discussion then you probably shouldn't have posted at all and just kept your thoughts to yourself...
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^ this post confuses me as there aren't any tax incentives attached to converting to e85. also, the point isn't really to stop importing so much oil, but more to reduce the country's need for so much oil to be imported. if we import roughly 50% of our crude oil right now, between more fuel efficient vehicles, alternative fuel solutions, and reduced consumption efforts, the THEORY is that we could maybe cut down on the amout of oil needed to be imported, which in turn cuts down on our need to rely on other countries. this creates more room for profit due to the fact that we would be exporting closer to what we are importing, which means the oil imports would be closer to paying for themselves. you sound like you know a little bit about politics and e85 stuff, but you can't come into a thread titled E85 Army and assume that everyone in here hasn't done more or as much research as you. i am sure that there are quite a few people in here that could explain just as well as you the difference between corn based ethanol and sugar based ethanol. if you really wanted to avoid political discussion then you probably shouldn't have posted at all and just kept your thoughts to yourself...
You're making it worse and you're only part right. I suggest you trying to post with less attitude.

The government is paying the oil companies to make ethanol fuels, not the consumer. Also, consumers get breaks for buying cars ALREADY equipped for flex fuels.
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:15 PM   #1871
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I remember reading about how farmers were getting a hefty subsidy from Uncle Sam to produce corn for ethanol use.
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^ this post confuses me as there aren't any tax incentives attached to converting to e85. also, the point isn't really to stop importing so much oil, but more to reduce the country's need for so much oil to be imported. if we import roughly 50% of our crude oil right now, between more fuel efficient vehicles, alternative fuel solutions, and reduced consumption efforts, the THEORY is that we could maybe cut down on the amout of oil needed to be imported, which in turn cuts down on our need to rely on other countries. this creates more room for profit due to the fact that we would be exporting closer to what we are importing, which means the oil imports would be closer to paying for themselves. you sound like you know a little bit about politics and e85 stuff, but you can't come into a thread titled E85 Army and assume that everyone in here hasn't done more or as much research as you. i am sure that there are quite a few people in here that could explain just as well as you the difference between corn based ethanol and sugar based ethanol. if you really wanted to avoid political discussion then you probably shouldn't have posted at all and just kept your thoughts to yourself...
there is, the 'Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit' passed 5 or so years ago. i encourage you to research and draw your own conclusions, that is all.
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i will say that i was wrong and was only thinking about consumer tax cuts for converting to e85. i did not think big picture about the producer's tax cuts. also, when it comes to politics, you will ALWAYS be only "part right" because there is "their side", "our side", and then the truth. everyone's view of the truth is skewed by their perception and knowledge of it. all i was trying to say to him was that coming into a thread with e85 in the title, that has been on-going for quite a while, probably isn't going to be necessarily revealing anything that alot of people in here haven't probably already researched...AND...to make a political post and then say that you don't want to get into politics is ridiculous. if he didn't want to get into politics then he wouldn't/shouldn't have posted. its like saying "with all due respect" just before you insult someone...that is all i was trying to say...not trying to make anything better or worse...

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watch from the 21:30 mark for ethanol

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