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Old 12-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #301
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Bump in hopes of hearing from 2011 owners who have received clarification from SoA. It would be really nice to get a statement from SoA that lists *all* of the engine oil service rating and change interval requirements in one handy document (instead of a letter that says the OM is wrong, but consult the OM for details....).
7500 change interval for all 2011 WRX and STI's

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Old 12-16-2010, 10:53 AM   #302
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quick question for all you Guru's. I tried searching and can't seem to find any pertinent information.
I have an 07 WRX with ~65000 miles. I picked it up recently (59k). I monitored the oil level, checking around twice a week and changed it at 3200 miles. during that time the oil level went down slightly, but not enough for me to have to add any.
I did an oil change and started running the shell rotella t syn (5w-40). again, checked it twice a week (up until about 2 weeks ago)and it didn't drink ANY. i'm currently at 2500 miles on this oil change and i checked it today and it was around half a quart below where i usually keep it (if the L and F are 100%, i keep it around 75%. so the level was at 25%, if that makes sense).
I'm wondering what the general consensus is on cold-weather oil consumption. i know its "normal" for 1qt every 1000 miles, and i'm still well below that mark (~1000 miles in the last 2 weeks, and i lost ~1/2 qt), but considering the car didn't go through any oil before this, is the cold weather a good indicator of cause? I don't notice any colored smoke, but i'm thinking that since its been ~15 degrees here, it wouldn't be abnormal for a small amount to make it into places that it shouldn't be during cold starts.
sorry for the wall of text... I'm just slightly paranoid. my last turbo car didn't noticeably consume any oil at 120k miles.
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:25 AM   #303
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7500 change interval for all 2011 WRX and STI's

see attached:

That's from the 2011 OM yes? I don't have my OM handy, but I think you'll find on the facing page that it lists all turbo applications as "severe service" and therefore subject to 3750 mile OCI. Furthermore, nowhere in the OM is the synthetic oil requirement discussed. So unless this page came from another source, I think we're still waiting for clarification.

BTW, "Subaru Synthetic, 5w-30" is $7.50 a qt list. Local dealer doesn't have gallons, didn't know off hand what the price was.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:01 PM   #304
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Even this guy is confused. http://www.cars101.com/subaru/maintenance2.html

The chart says 7500 OCI for turbos. The notes say 3750.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:55 PM   #305
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That's from the 2011 OM yes? I don't have my OM handy, but I think you'll find on the facing page that it lists all turbo applications as "severe service" and therefore subject to 3750 mile OCI. Furthermore, nowhere in the OM is the synthetic oil requirement discussed. So unless this page came from another source, I think we're still waiting for clarification.

BTW, "Subaru Synthetic, 5w-30" is $7.50 a qt list. Local dealer doesn't have gallons, didn't know off hand what the price was.
That page came directly from Subaru of America. The OM was printed before they had a chance to updated. The change in OCI did not take place until early September (if i remember correctly).

Keep in mind your local dealer can "recommend" a shorter interval based on prevailing local conditions, but changing @ 7,500 even if your local dealer doesn't recommend it will not effect your warranty.

Here's what I have from SOA on the matter:

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For all 2011 turbocharged models, the oil change interval with the appropriate synthetic engine oil is 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever comes first. These are the minimum recommendations.

I am not sure how the official notification will occur. But, I have advised that there will be official notification to these owners. Not that I am not official, Jon!

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Service Request #1-1041292865

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So for warranty purposes, for now I should listen to what's printed in my booklet (3750 miles). Until I receive official notice from SOA?

Thanks for the quick replies and support!

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Hello Jon:

You are welcome. Sorry about that. I thought that we had covered that. For all 2011 turbocharged models, the oil change interval with the appropriate synthetic engine oil is 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever comes first. These are the minimum recommendations.

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Hello Jon:

Good morning. I am glad to see that you took the time to call us.

I just sent you another email with the 2011 "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet, which includes the maintenance schedules. I see that you called yesterday and spoke with Amy and that she advised that our maintenance recommendations and requirements for oil changes for your 2011 WRX. If you need to discuss those requirements any further, Jon, please give [Name] a call at 1-800-782-2783.

Sincerely,

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Service Request #1-1088476527


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The first oil change for your 2011 WRX would be at the 7,500 mile/7.5 month interval. We are waiting on Fuji to finalize the information for maintenance. Follow the intervals set forth by the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet I sent you earlier. When the information is finalized, you will get contacted by myself and you will get an amendment to your "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet.

I will be back in touch, Jon, as soon as we get further information from our manufacturer.


Sincerely,

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Old 12-16-2010, 01:17 PM   #306
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^^^^^^^^

Thanks for clarifying. That's good news.

Edit: anyone else notice that the Subaru oil has no API/ILSAC service grade? That's just weird.

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Old 12-16-2010, 02:51 PM   #307
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^^^^^^^^

Thanks for clarifying. That's good news.

Edit: anyone else notice that the Subaru oil has no API/ILSAC service grade? That's just weird.
I can't remember where I saw it (maybe bitog) but someone emailed SoA about this and they said it's API SM/ILSAC GF-4. Old school.

Oh, Here it is at bitog.
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All Subaru Synthetic Motor Oil is licensed by the American Petroleum Institute(API) as Energy Conserving SM for Gasoline Engines and GF-4 ILSAC rated. Yes, Idemitsu is the supplier of the Subaru Synthetic Motor Oil.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:57 PM   #308
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I can't remember where I saw it (maybe bitog) but someone emailed SoA about this and they said it's API SM/ILSAC GF-4. Old school.

-Dennis
I'm assuming the suby synth is rebranded Idemitsu....

5. Meets the requirement of :- API: SM/CF

IDEMITSU EXTREME
ECO 5W30 SM/CF
Viscosity grade SAE 5W30
Colour D-1500:
L2.5
Density 15 oC g/cm³ D-4052-96:
0.8513
Flash Point (COC) oC D-92:
215
Viscosity, cSt @ 40 oC D-445:
58.65
@ 100 oC D-445:
11.02
Pour Point oC D-97
-36
Viscosity Index D-2270:
183
TBN HCLO4 (mgKOH/g) D-2896-96:
7.62
TAN, Potentiometric (mgKOH/g) D-664:
1.45
Foaming @ 93.5oC (ml) D-892
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:00 PM   #309
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I can't remember where I saw it (maybe bitog) but someone emailed SoA about this and they said it's API SM/ILSAC GF-4. Old school.

Oh, Here it is at bitog.


-Dennis
This is interesting given that the 2011 Impreza OM lists SN as the main 'recommended' oil. Then in the severe operating condition section it lists SM as acceptable.

The 09 OM has it has SM as the main recommendation and SL in the severe section. So if SOA is going to have you put the oil from the severe section in as the "OE" oil, then I have no reluctance running my SL German Castrol (not that I ever did ).
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I'm assuming the suby synth is rebranded Idemitsu....

5. Meets the requirement of :- API: SM/CF

IDEMITSU EXTREME
ECO
But is it that Idemitsu?

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This is interesting given that the 2011 Impreza OM lists SN as the main 'recommended' oil. Then in the severe operating condition section it lists SM as acceptable.
Subaru has always been slow to progress with oil information/updates.

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But is it that Idemitsu?


Subaru has always been slow to progress with oil information/updates.

-Dennis
No idea, it's their only full syn 5W-30, so I would assume it's the one. I could be wrong...
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But is it that Idemitsu?
The bottle says "Manufactured in USA from domestic and imported components for SoA by Idemitsu Lubricants America Corp."

None of the text is in italics, though.

Sorry, slow day.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:46 PM   #313
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HELP! There is no oil on my dipstick? The oil light never came on, I bought my car less than 3000 miles ago and the oil was changed back then. The car is on a slight backward incline.

My coolant also spilled everywhere a couple days ago, from a hose getting disconnected. I added more coolant and it's not overheating anymore...could these two situations be related?
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HELP! There is no oil on my dipstick? The oil light never came on, I bought my car less than 3000 miles ago and the oil was changed back then. The car is on a slight backward incline.

My coolant also spilled everywhere a couple days ago, from a hose getting disconnected. I added more coolant and it's not overheating anymore...could these two situations be related?
Overheating could have warped your heads and now your head gaskets are leaking and causing oil and coolant consumption.
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No replies to my question from this morning?
Could colder weather (15F) be a potential cause to some oil consumption? No noticeable drop in level in 4500 miles, and yet half a quart in the last 1000?
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Overheating could have warped your heads and now your head gaskets are leaking and causing oil and coolant consumption.
What if I confirmed that the head gasket wasn't the problem? I'm about to have someone look at it. What else could have happened?
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No replies to my question from this morning?
Could colder weather (15F) be a potential cause to some oil consumption? No noticeable drop in level in 4500 miles, and yet half a quart in the last 1000?
That's just the way consumption is. It doesn't sound that unusual to me, even if you would have lost a full quart in the last 1k. You can also have a change in consumption when you switch oil brands due to different oil chemistry.

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This is interesting given that the 2011 Impreza OM lists SN as the main 'recommended' oil. Then in the severe operating condition section it lists SM as acceptable.

The 09 OM has it has SM as the main recommendation and SL in the severe section. So if SOA is going to have you put the oil from the severe section in as the "OE" oil, then I have no reluctance running my SL German Castrol (not that I ever did ).



For the 2011's:

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ILSAC GF-4 or GF-5, which can be identified with the ILSAC Certification Mark (Starburst Mark)or API classification SN or SM with the words “ENERGY CONSERVING


Recommended grade and viscosity under severe driving conditions
If the vehicle is used in desert areas, in areas with very high temperatures, or is used for heavy-duty applications, use of oil with the following grade and viscosities is recommended.

API classification SN (or SM): SAE viscosity No.: 30, 40, 10W-50, 20W-40, 20W-50


Synthetic oil:
You can use synthetic engine oil that meets the same requirements given for conventional engine oil. When using synthetic oil, you must use oil of the same classification, viscosity and grade shown in this Owner’s Manual, and must follow the oil and filter changing intervals shown in the maintenance schedule
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:28 AM   #319
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Ok, so I've read this entire thread and I have to say it is chock full of great advice however... Id like to ask which synthetic would be the overall best to use. I've seen tons of varying opinions. Here goes. Have a 00rs with ecs 04 wrx swap, only engine mods are full exhaust and tune. I just changed the oil with M1 5 30 high mileage (about 79k on motor). I live in nj so its pretty damn cold now. The car is my weekend car and I drive it maybe 100 miles a week. I've read all these so called horror stories about M1 but I've always used it in my subies and even an svo I once had. So... Stick with it? Or try the german castrol 0 30, rotella 5 40 or something else?? Any opinions greatly appreciated thanks
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^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whatsamatta, signal to noise ratio getting too high for you ?

Search for posted UOA results (or do your own... $25). Best if the engine type/service corresponds closely to your own.
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Justin, just stick with the M1 High Mileage. The HM oils have higher levels of Anti-Wear additives than the regular oils and a thicker viscosity.

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I use this for track
and 5w40 for street..




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Ok cool I'll stick with that for now, especially considering two auto parts stores I've been to today havnt even heard of german castrol lol nor do they carry it. I was surprised to see royal purple at walmart though of all places
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@choi where did you buy that euro pennzoil at? The one u use on the street
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I bought them direct.. I bought quite a few cases for the locals around here, because they're hard to find.. If you want I can ship them yourways, its cheaper to ship more than 1 case at a time though..
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