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Old 12-17-2010, 04:32 PM   #1
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Default Anyone want to drive in SnoDrift TSD?

Id really like to make it out to this, but its a long ways. Google puts it at 11.5hrs through canada, to go around is 13 out of Springfield MA. I want to get the experience co-driving before my first rally the following weekend. The TSD is Jan 8th. My plan is to leave around 8-10pm on the 7th, and likely stay over after the tsd rally.... Hoping someone is down. Id split all expenses. The event is only $65 and its ~150miles iirc.

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Regularity rallying, also known as TSD rallying (Time Speed Distance), is a form of motor sport usually conducted on public roads but sometimes including off-road and track sections. The object of these rallies is to maintain precise times and precise average speeds on various segments of a predefined route. Each team usually consists of an amateur driver and navigator. Teams usually start a regularity rally at fixed intervals creating a field that is spread along the route.
It is supposed to be a very good event for winter driving.

Summary from '08 event
http://www.detroit-scca.org/e107/e10...no_summary.pdf
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Old 12-17-2010, 04:48 PM   #2
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FYI there are TSDs which are local to you, if location is the factor:

http://www.ner.org/rally/rdral/event/[eventyyyy][eventmm][eventdd]_winter-challenage-rally
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:34 PM   #3
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thanks for the post, I should have mentioned there are a few other WINTR tsd events to enter close by in the next 2 months.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:09 PM   #4
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If you do come out be sure to say hi. We'll be there running two cars, one super production and one open class car, both in the performance rally.
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Old 12-20-2010, 08:37 AM   #5
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Yeah I'm not sure about SnoDrift, but Winter Challenge would not be a good rally for a first timer.
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Old 12-20-2010, 09:09 PM   #6
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Im really hoping I can find someone to do this TSD with, reason being Im going to be codriving a stage rally the next weekend for my first time.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:16 PM   #7
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:19 AM   #8
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Im really hoping I can find someone to do this TSD with, reason being Im going to be codriving a stage rally the next weekend for my first time.
While you'd be hard pressed to find a more ardent supporter of TSD rallies, I'm really not sure a TSD is going to teach you anything of value for a stage rally.

Disclaimer: I have never co-driven an actual stage rally, all my info is second hand.

Yes, a TSD will teach you how to read a basic set of tulip directions (if SnoDrift uses tulips) and some simple things like figuring out how to leave on time, but IMO the best reason to use TSDs for training is simply building teamwork between driver and codriver. Since you won't be going with your driver I'm not sure it'll really be worth a 10+ hr drive.


I've got a copy of Dave Shindle's North American codriver/pacenoting manual if you want PM me and I'll send it your way, you might get more out of it than codriving a TSD.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:26 AM   #9
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Well thank you very much, I bought Shindle's manual last week and it should be here today. I will take your advice though. Ive also read Martin Holmes' Rally Navigation and plan to re-read it. Im lucky to be close enough to my driver that we can do a test day before the rally also.
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Well thank you very much, I bought Shindle's manual last week and it should be here today. I will take your advice though. Ive also read Martin Holmes' Rally Navigation and plan to re-read it. Im lucky to be close enough to my driver that we can do a test day before the rally also.
Ok well you're probably all set then.

Don't get me wrong, TSDs are informative and fun, but one TSD isn't going to really prepare you for stage rally (me and my codriver have done dozens and we wouldn't have the first clue about how to do a stage rally). If it was an hour or two drive I'd say go for it, but I wouldn't drive half way across the country to do one.

Good luck ether way!
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Old 12-21-2010, 12:04 PM   #11
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Stage rally is much like the TSD's, except for your actual timing. Instead of reading each note at the moment for second accuracy, plan on being about 2 paces ahead. A LOT has to be conveyed through tone (at least for me) from the Codriver. Keep a normal tone for anything less than a l3 or R3, and emphasize the lower notes or tricky sections. BE SURE to clearly state NO CUT or STAY LEFT instructions. The last thing you want is your drive going into a R4- and having the nose in the weeds only to hear a second before impact... no cut...

The easiest way my CoDriver and I work on it is to take a road we know well that is local. Spend 2-3 recee passes developing notes for it, and then drive while practicing. It is not at race pace. Eventually you will develop a flow and learn which notes bear repeating and which can be said briefly. It is my preference to have the next instruction repeated after a long straight.

For instance: r4- -> l3< 50 R6 L6 200 R4- >R2 100 L5

At ~100 into the 200 a reaffirm of R4- > helps me recall where I'm supposed to be in terms of pace.

Hope this helps.
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Yes, thank you.
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