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Old 02-05-2011, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default $300 Nameless Performance exhaust ('11 WRX/STI) sounds like Perrin?

Ok so I've been looking around for a cheap exhaust to throw on my WRX '11 sedan to make it sound a little louder than stock and I ran across this company called Nameless Performance. I've already searched around and checked out their stuff and it seems like they're a pretty decent small company.
The product I'm interested in is their $300 Axleback exhaust for the 2011 WRX/STi sedan.


edit:Just got my Nameless Performance axleback today. I ordered it flush with the valance and it looks incredible. The install was pretty quick, took about 10 mins to get the stock mufflers off and another 10 to put the new ones on. However, I think I spend 1 hour+ trying to adjust my new mufflers. (I still don't think I got them even) They sound amazing!!! It's not exactly "loud" but it sounds soooo aggressive it's ridiculous. Videos on youtube certainly do this exhaust no justice. I've never heard a Perrin exhaust in real life but from watching so many youtube videos of it I gotta say the Nameless sounds very similar. I have a buddy with an Invidia and this exhaust sounds nothing like that. Taking off from a dead stop is when the exhaust is at it's loudest imo, cruising at 2k rpm and there is no drone at all. If you roll up the windows you can hardly tell it has an aftermarket exhaust on it. I didn't get a chance to test it out too much but I'll be sure to let you guys know how it sounds after a week or so. However as of right now I am super happy with it.
*btw if you guys want to know what it'll sound like just take your stock mufflers off, the nameless performance exhaust sounds like that except a tiny bit raspier and more defined. this is definitely not a quiet exhaust nor is it super loud*


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Quad Staggered Double Wall Round Tips, double wall polished flush w/ valence, 10 Degree Angle Cut staggered


*****EDIT 4/2013 ****

Hey guys it's been awhile since I've posted in here. I'm the OP of this thread and I'm pretty sure I've had the Nameless Performance 3" muffler delete axleback probably the longest around here (since 02/2011). Before I posted here pretty much no one had heard of this company before and there were only about 3 videos on youtube of the exhaust. I saw that even RallySportDirect is now carrying Nameless Performance products which is awesome.

A couple of weeks ago I began looking for a new exhaust just to change things up a bit. I wanted something louder after hearing all those Invidia N1 exhausts but hated the single or double tip look on the 2011+ WRX/STI's. The Nameless axleback is great for making our cars sound louder and better than stock but I always felt the tone was never really deep. I was thinking about the Nameless midpipe but it was a little out of my budget. I had a Perrin downpipe on my car for a couple of months and the exhaust was definitely loud but it was also a bit raspy and not too deep sounding.

Since I wanted to keep the quad tip exhaust look I researched into the more popular exhaust options for 11+ WRX/STI's but I didn't really like how any of them sounded and they all sounded a bit too quiet with their huge mufflers. I finally came across the P&L catback exhaust and decided from the small amount of people that have written reviews for it that it is probably the loudest quad tip exhaust setup available out there right now.

I received the exhaust last week and took some video clips of my Nameless axleback exhaust setup and my new P&L catback exhaust setup. The rumble on the P&L catback is ridiculous, it's not too much louder than the Nameless Exhaust (I tried to use the dB meter on my iPhone) but the exhaust tone is SOO DEEP! I'm sure most of that is due to the resonator and mufflers that they use.

Anyways I really enjoyed the Nameless axleback and I'm hoping I'll love my new P&L catback just as much.

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Old 02-05-2011, 09:27 PM   #2
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This is probably a rebranded eBay exhaust.

You get what you pay for. That goes a LONG way with Subarus.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:47 PM   #3
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for a bunch of bent tubing and a part of the car I'll see only 5% of I'd take the cheaper of the two if they sound similar. No way in hell I'd pay $1000 for an exhaust system
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Some things I would avoid buying off ebay like coilovers, turbochargers, and other mechanical parts but things like strut braces, exhaust pieces and things that are just pieces of metal the only thing you are getting when you pay more for them is the name. I mean, if you do buy some ebay cheap branded exhaust pieces just make sure you go over the welds and youll be fine.
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It's the thickness of the welds, the quality of the metal, thickness of the metal, and the longevity of the packing in the muffler.

The sound will change over time because the packing will break down.

The welds may crack.

The tubing will be thin walled, and will be prone to cracking because of heat. It happened on a cheap downpipe I have.

You spent a lot of money on a good car, why skimp out now?
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I found a big thread on IWSTI. It's not an eBay exhaust. I think its custom made in house. What do you guys think?

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-vendo...k-exhaust.html
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This is probably a rebranded eBay exhaust.

You get what you pay for. That goes a LONG way with Subarus.
not an ebay exhaust piece, these are the only people who make this piece for the 2011 WRX/STI and with many options to choose from.
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its just a muffler delete.... wouldn't that be piss loud and drone like crazy? they look to be high quality though.
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its just a muffler delete.... wouldn't that be piss loud and drone like crazy? they look to be high quality though.
I contacted them. They say it's only about 5dB louder than stock. I'm liking the price range and may order them soon. They have plenty of videos on youtube as well.

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This is probably a rebranded eBay exhaust.

You get what you pay for. That goes a LONG way with Subarus.
I don't know how I feel about this statement. I'm flattered that a company I started in a humble shop is capable of building parts at a competitive enough rate that we're mistaken for mass produced, zero cost labor import parts on ebay.

What's more, most of these pipes are built to order due to the highly configurable nature of the product. Just so you can be rest assured that these are truly made in a shop out in the woods in La Center, Washington, I will post up a video of our manufacturing director building out a set.

Here's a little about who we are and what we stand for: http://namelessperformance.com/about/

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I personally have built every single axleback system that nameless has sold. I am also training another fabricator to help out since demand has been good for these.

I own a large portion of the company and can say with absolute certainty that these are not ebay/chinese parts...well, I guess I might teleport to china every time I weld one but that seems improbable.

Our pricing reflects our zero overhead. period. As a result of NOT having our parts built in china we are able to be very fast with getting products to market as turnaround time on first run chinese parts can be veeeeerrrry long.

If you have any doubts about who we are or what we are about, call us, the number is on our website.
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I agree. Nameless Performance stuff looks and sounds great. They have great customer support and are very helpful. I placed my order for this axleback exhaust for my 2011 WRX sedan and can't wait to get it. I'll post some feedback here once it arrives.
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It's a muffler delete, and it looks to be a very high quality one. You're comparing it to the Perrin cat back which is made for the hatch, so it is a totally different design. If I had to guess the one with no mufflers at all (Nameless) will be MUCH louder than the one with a muffler (Perrin). It's just an axle back so you're only really buying it for sound. If you like the sound and want something loud, it looks to be a pretty nice piece of work.

Nameless - Any plans for a quad tip axle back for the hatch?
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Wow I really like your business model and prices...
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Jason and John are straight shooters who have a passion for cars and making cars fast. Quality and attention to detail is a top priority and you can see it in their work.
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I took the mufflers off my WRX to see how loud it was. It's not really loud at all. More deep than loud. Im guessing the axleback would make it a little quieter which I wouldn't mind but w/ out mufflers it sounds pretty sick.

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It's a muffler delete, and it looks to be a very high quality one. You're comparing it to the Perrin cat back which is made for the hatch, so it is a totally different design. If I had to guess the one with no mufflers at all (Nameless) will be MUCH louder than the one with a muffler (Perrin). It's just an axle back so you're only really buying it for sound. If you like the sound and want something loud, it looks to be a pretty nice piece of work.

Nameless - Any plans for a quad tip axle back for the hatch?
Actually on the sedan I don't think the system is any louder than the Perrin cat back. We actually built a full length catback and decided to do these as a budget solution and when we heard the sound and tested the power there was almost no difference. Our catback ran a 3" in, Dual 2.5" out oval muffler with dual pipes from forward of the differential all the way back with no rear mufflers. And the axle back retained the low end torque that the catback lost.

Now on the hatch, whole different ballgame...the volume (cubic feet) of the actual hatchback and the arrangement of the outlet of the midpipe so close to the rear valence, this would be a whole 'nother level of loud. We do plan on designing a free flowing AxleBack for the 2011 Hatch utilizing a pretty novel anti-drone resonator system that does not impede flow. It'll be a few months (maybe 6 weeks).

I suppose it's about damn time for me to sign up for vendor status here :-)

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its just a muffler delete.... wouldn't that be piss loud and drone like crazy? they look to be high quality though.
No and no. These do not drone at cruise. Nor are they piss loud. As xsabre was noting, we measured with our dB meter here and we look at average dB for the same point in the power band at the same measured distance. We got 5dB increase at low idle, 8-10dB increase at the starting high idle and inside the car around 5-10dB increase across the powerband. At cruise, wind noise drowned out the sound of the exhaust on the meter both as stock and as modified with our exhaust.

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It's the thickness of the welds, the quality of the metal, thickness of the metal, and the longevity of the packing in the muffler.

The sound will change over time because the packing will break down.

The welds may crack.

The tubing will be thin walled, and will be prone to cracking because of heat. It happened on a cheap downpipe I have.

You spent a lot of money on a good car, why skimp out now?
No packing, these are straight pipes. If the welds crack from any manufacturing defect we will replace them. 2 year published warranty. Tubing is Rathgibson T304 Stainless Steel .065 wall. If we went any thicker it'd look like a turbo manifold. And while downpipes see temperatures capable of exacerbating welds which were done at too high a temperature in the first place, this would almost never be an issue at a tailpipe unless there were forces inherent to the system that cause repeated fatigue at one of the joints. With a 18" long pipe hooked to two hangers that allow forward to rear motion, this is not so much an issue either.

Just to let you know a little hint about how things are made overseas. Most of the time the pipes are either stainless mig welded or quickly auto-tig welded with poor color and at too high a temperature. They are then chromed or plated as a subassembly and then run through a robotic tig torch to get those giant, wide overlap welds that have gorgeous color. Ever been curious about how they get that uniform color? They have a full layer of chromium at the surface to alloy into the weld as they go. So you get a pretty design that at its core has been done poorly. Because the alloys in the stainless have been baked out during the hurried and poorly controlled weld temperature, even though there is a shiny surface, the weld below still suffers from being embrittled during its initial weld process.

And if that doesn't make you think more closely about buying American, consider the materials we use and the safety precautions that we require on this side of the pond with regard to cancer causing agents in Thoriated Tungsten and Chromium rich materials. We require ventilators and a wide variety of safety equipment in our shop that protect our workers and owners from these hazards. We use only ArcTime tungsten from ArcZone.com (another American made product and American owned company), which is radioactive element free...so when we grind our tungsten we're not breathing cancer. Now think about that process I described earlier, the one with the chromium layer on the outside being welded...yeah - that's highly toxic as well and causes cancer. 8 out of 100 workers who weld on chromed parts get cancer. This is something that hits home for us - John's father in law, a stainless welder for 37 years, died of lung cancer from the particulates associated with suboptimal materials like Thoriated Tungsten and poor ventilation systems.

Just our 2 cents.

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Actually on the sedan I don't think the system is any louder than the Perrin cat back. We actually built a full length catback and decided to do these as a budget solution and when we heard the sound and tested the power there was almost no difference. Our catback ran a 3" in, Dual 2.5" out oval muffler with dual pipes from forward of the differential all the way back with no rear mufflers. And the axle back retained the low end torque that the catback lost.

Now on the hatch, whole different ballgame...the volume (cubic feet) of the actual hatchback and the arrangement of the outlet of the midpipe so close to the rear valence, this would be a whole 'nother level of loud. We do plan on designing a free flowing AxleBack for the 2011 Hatch utilizing a pretty novel anti-drone resonator system that does not impede flow. It'll be a few months (maybe 6 weeks).

I suppose it's about damn time for me to sign up for vendor status here :-)

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Can we expect future products available for this car? Downpipe, Catback, etc?
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No and no. These do not drone at cruise. Nor are they piss loud. As xsabre was noting, we measured with our dB meter here and we look at average dB for the same point in the power band at the same measured distance. We got 5dB increase at low idle, 8-10dB increase at the starting high idle and inside the car around 5-10dB increase across the powerband. At cruise, wind noise drowned out the sound of the exhaust on the meter both as stock and as modified with our exhaust.



No packing, these are straight pipes. If the welds crack from any manufacturing defect we will replace them. 2 year published warranty. Tubing is Rathgibson T304 Stainless Steel .065 wall. If we went any thicker it'd look like a turbo manifold. And while downpipes see temperatures capable of exacerbating welds which were done at too high a temperature in the first place, this would almost never be an issue at a tailpipe unless there were forces inherent to the system that cause repeated fatigue at one of the joints. With a 18" long pipe hooked to two hangers that allow forward to rear motion, this is not so much an issue either.

Just to let you know a little hint about how things are made overseas. Most of the time the pipes are either stainless mig welded or quickly auto-tig welded with poor color and at too high a temperature. They are then chromed or plated as a subassembly and then run through a robotic tig torch to get those giant, wide overlap welds that have gorgeous color. Ever been curious about how they get that uniform color? They have a full layer of chromium at the surface to alloy into the weld as they go. So you get a pretty design that at its core has been done poorly. Because the alloys in the stainless have been baked out during the hurried and poorly controlled weld temperature, even though there is a shiny surface, the weld below still suffers from being embrittled during its initial weld process.

And if that doesn't make you think more closely about buying American, consider the materials we use and the safety precautions that we require on this side of the pond with regard to cancer causing agents in Thoriated Tungsten and Chromium rich materials. We require ventilators and a wide variety of safety equipment in our shop that protect our workers and owners from these hazards. We use only ArcTime tungsten from ArcZone.com (another American made product and American owned company), which is radioactive element free...so when we grind our tungsten we're not breathing cancer. Now think about that process I described earlier, the one with the chromium layer on the outside being welded...yeah - that's highly toxic as well and causes cancer. 8 out of 100 workers who weld on chromed parts get cancer. This is something that hits home for us - John's father in law, a stainless welder for 37 years, died of lung cancer from the particulates associated with suboptimal materials like Thoriated Tungsten and poor ventilation systems.

Just our 2 cents.

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Yeah, of course more parts. Divoriced Downpipe w/ 3D profiled turbo flange, skidplates (configurable designs and thicknesses) for the front undertray and rear diff, camera mounts, front license plate tow hook mount, etc. And more. It's just a matter of time. I'm going to email the mods here and get a vendor account so I can show all of our work. This is bugging me ;-)

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Sure would be nice if there was an option that would fit on <11 08+MY WRXs... Por favor.
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Sounds interesting. Might want to try an axleback on my 2011 WRX hatch depending how it turns out, and if it's reasonably priced. I already have the COBB DP and SPT cat back, but I'd be interested in trying something new. Looks like a nice product, and I like the flared tips you have (look like the SPT tips).
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I'd be very interested in an axleback for the 2011 wrx hatch as well.
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