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Old 02-13-2011, 09:11 AM   #126
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I went with the FullRace set-up and I am very happy with performance and SOUND...
No doubt! Full Race might be my choice now as well. They weren't an option when I got the APS system. The FR headers are robust and inherently retain exhaust energy. APS is lighter 321 SS and uses a unique heatshield system. FR's header will likely outlast the car whereas the APS has a blemished reliability record. You chose a great header... probably the best ever.

When I was writing my post I was going to mention FR but when I went to their website it appeared their only offering was a twinscroll setup, and I'm not going there... anytime soon anyway. The APS I got was installed while I still had the factory VF40, and I didn't see the direct comparison. Does FR make a direct replacement for the stock header or is it only TS? I'm curious.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:04 AM   #127
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No doubt! Full Race might be my choice now as well. They weren't an option when I got the APS system. The FR headers are robust and inherently retain exhaust energy. APS is lighter 321 SS and uses a unique heatshield system. FR's header will likely outlast the car whereas the APS has a blemished reliability record. You chose a great header... probably the best ever.

When I was writing my post I was going to mention FR but when I went to their website it appeared their only offering was a twinscroll setup, and I'm not going there... anytime soon anyway. The APS I got was installed while I still had the factory VF40, and I didn't see the direct comparison. Does FR make a direct replacement for the stock header or is it only TS? I'm curious.
This is what I got: http://www.full-race.com/catalog/pro...541326dc0f00f2
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #128
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Thank you... I think lol. Dashed my musings. You have the platform, that and the rest of the bits that should go with it would grenade my WRX. Sigh.

Got a link to your setup? Color me impressed in advance.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:34 PM   #129
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Thank you... I think lol. Dashed my musings. You have the platform, that and the rest of the bits that should go with it would grenade my WRX. Sigh.

Got a link to your setup? Color me impressed in advance.
HA Go with a smaller turbo here is the link:
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:48 PM   #130
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QFT.

I had what I consider the best EL header on my 05 LGT, the APS Equal Length Split Pulse Header. It sounded different, of course, but still like a Subaru. With a total cost of nearly $1400 including their proprietary metal "wrap" the cost per hp scared most people off. But they were in context with that build and enabled me to make power a stock or AM UEL couldn't touch. I don't think APS is supplying the US market at present.

FWIW my earlier NA Subaru Legacys came stock with EL headers, and sounded unmistakably like what they were, a Subaru. People.
Aren't the aps headers well documented for having issues with cracking?
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Old 02-13-2011, 06:37 PM   #131
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Aren't the aps headers well documented for having issues with cracking?
That's the unfortunate fact. However...

I knew what I wanted in an EL header, and found it in the APS. But I didn't stop there, I got their wrap system. It cost as much as some header systems, and was a major pain to install correctly. The finished system was what APS intended, not the header alone. Given the cost, and PITA to install, not to mention covering all that bling... it's my opinion a bunch of people didn't do the wrap. And to me, there is the source of the failures...(not only in APS's headers, but most headers).

The APS header system I installed more than four years ago is still flawless. I don't own it anymore, but it's local and owned by a friend. Actually, the entire car is still working perfectly.

It pays to address the details.

Now, Full-Race... no worries about cracking.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:26 AM   #132
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I got a custom turbo setup PTE 6262 made 460whp @20psi w/e85 on a dynojet with stock headers, got new EL Agency power header heat wrapped, ready for a new tuning will be posting the new # soon.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:11 AM   #133
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I'd like to see the differences in EGT, rather than HP.
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:40 PM   #134
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i skimmed through the entire thread, i saw a difference between STOCK UEL vs aftermarket EL headers as expected there was substantial gain. What i want to see is AFTERMARKET UEL vs AFTERMARKET EL. If i missed it call me a jackass and ill read through again, but it seams the argument here is EL aftermarket vs uel stock?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:04 PM   #135
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^^^ I agree aftermarket el vs aftermarket uel
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Old 08-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #136
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This thread ought to be called..........Inefficient vs most efficient .....facepalm, obviously any equal length header would outperform a stock casted unequal design..period.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:50 PM   #137
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what do you mean by losing the boxer rumble with equal length? I used to have headers + up pipe combo (not sure what brand) and they made the car sound way louder.. is that what they're talking about? Sry, Newbie here.
equal length headers will make your car lose the boxer rumble. were as unequal length will allow you to keep the boxer rumble.

unequal lenth = boxer rumble faster spooling (so i read on another thread by unabomber)

equal length = lose boxer rumble but gain high end power.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:50 PM   #138
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Just my .02 cents, UEL header was the worth thing I ever did to my car. I have the invidia UEL header and 3" magnaflow exhaust, sounds like complete garbage. I sound exactly like a SOHC non vtec honda when i fly by. The very next long weekend i have I am ripping it out and throwing the stock back in.
Worst $900 I ever spent in my life.
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:04 PM   #139
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Just my .02 cents, UEL header was the worth thing I ever did to my car. I have the invidia UEL header and 3" magnaflow exhaust, sounds like complete garbage. I sound exactly like a SOHC non vtec honda when i fly by. The very next long weekend i have I am ripping it out and throwing the stock back in.
Worst $900 I ever spent in my life.
You seem to be confused between EL and UEL. You're basing your entire opinion solely on exhaust sound?
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:02 AM   #140
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You seem to be confused between EL and UEL. You're basing your entire opinion solely on exhaust sound?
Yeah this ^

Our personal experience is also that magnaflow mufflers have that fart-can Honda sound to them. I won't use them anymore, but that is just our personal preference and I'm sure others feel differently.
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Just my .02 cents, UEL header was the worth thing I ever did to my car. I have the invidia UEL header and 3" magnaflow exhaust, sounds like complete garbage. I sound exactly like a SOHC non vtec honda when i fly by. The very next long weekend i have I am ripping it out and throwing the stock back in.
Worst $900 I ever spent in my life.
i dont know how this could sound like a honda. really dont.
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i dont know how this could sound like a honda. really dont.
Uneducated ears.

It doesn't.
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I gained about 30whp and 50wtq from adding EL headers to my car. It sounds different now, but it definitely doesn't sound like a riced out civic or anything of that sort.

Check out the dyno comparison and 2 videos for sound purposes: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...69&postcount=1
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Yeah this ^

Our personal experience is also that magnaflow mufflers have that fart-can Honda sound to them. I won't use them anymore, but that is just our personal preference and I'm sure others feel differently.
I agree, after doing some research I believe the cause for this aweful sound is the magnaflow mufflers fault and not the header itself.

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Uneducated ears.

It doesn't.
haha, you havent heard my car.... Ill post a youtube video when I can.
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My buddy at work would always say that EL headers sound like Hondas, I have the TOMEI EL header on my car mated to a SPT catback and it sounds nothing like a Honda.

He listened to it and rode with me and finally agreed that it does not sound anything like a honda.

Misinformation and uneducated people are the main reason why the "EL = honda" thought is out there
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My buddy at work would always say that EL headers sound like Hondas, I have the TOMEI EL header on my car mated to a SPT catback and it sounds nothing like a Honda.

He listened to it and rode with me and finally agreed that it does not sound anything like a honda.

Misinformation and uneducated people are the main reason why the "EL = honda" thought is out there
same thoughts here. i also have tomei el header, perrin catted dp and a borla catback. its raspy and still has a bit of subaru rumble.sounds nothing like a honda. i love it cause the drone is much less annoying on longer trips.
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same thoughts here. i also have tomei el header, perrin catted dp and a borla catback. its raspy and still has a bit of subaru rumble.sounds nothing like a honda. i love it cause the drone is much less annoying on longer trips.
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Currently running on a built bottom end and full bolt on's with the tomei El header and up pipe combo with a invidia q300 Quite honestly I miss the rumble of the UEL but damn the el header is friggin sexy! Here are three video's of the car cold start, Idle and cruise and launch control.
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